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Just_Dave 04-24-2008 10:50 AM

The Armenian Genocide
 
The Armenian Genocide also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, the Great Calamity.

THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE - During WWI, The Young Turk political faction of the Ottoman Empire sought the creation of a new Turkish state extending into Central Asia. Those promoting the ideology called "Pan Turkism" (creating a homogenous Turkish state) now saw its Armenian minority population as an obstacle to the realization of that goal.

On April 24, 1915, several hundred Armenian community leaders and intellectuals in Constantinople (modern day Istanbul) were arrested, sent east, and put to death. In May, after mass deportations had already begun, Minister of the Interior Talaat Pasha, claiming that Armenians could offer aid and comfort to the enemy and were in a state of imminent rebellion, ordered their deportation into the Syrian desert.

The adult and teenage males were separated from the deportation caravans and killed under the direction of Young Turk functionaries. Women and children were driven for months over mountains and desert, often raped, tortured, and mutilated. Deprived of food and water and often stripped of clothing, they fell by the hundreds of thousands along the routes to the desert. Ultimately, more than half the Armenian population, 1,500,000 people were annihilated. In this manner the Armenian people were eliminated from their homeland of several millennia


Here are some good links to read and get information:

http://www.teachgenocide.org/background/history.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

http://www.genocide1915.info/

http://www.anca.org/genocide_resource/index.php

xentech 04-24-2008 10:58 AM

Noone cares, go away

seeric 04-24-2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14107551)
Noone cares, go away

Um, yes they do.

I have tons of Armenian friends. I watch the coverage and stories on the educational channels like History Channel and A&E every year to remind me how cold and fucked up the world can be in "civilized" times.

That shit was fucked up. Armenians and their friends and families will never let the world forget that someone tried to snuff them out for their own benefit.

Fuck That.

People DO care.


:mad:

Fletch XXX 04-24-2008 11:07 AM

umm genocides happen all the time.

The acadians were put through hundreds of years of persecution, including forced to not speak their language, mass deportation and even killings.

The chinese in Northern California,... the native Americans numerous times...

maybe geo target this thread to Glendale LOL

Just_Dave 04-24-2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14107566)
Um, yes they do.

I have tons of Armenian friends. I watch the coverage and stories on the educational channels like History Channel and A&E every year to remind me how cold and fucked up the world can be in "civilized" times.

That shit was fucked up. Armenians and their friends and families will never let the world forget that someone tried to snuff them out for their own benefit.

Fuck That.

People DO care.


:mad:

Thank you Airek for the support.

V_RocKs 04-24-2008 11:10 AM

That is what happens when you don't fight.

Sure, you might die. But at least you faught...

Just_Dave 04-24-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14107592)
That is what happens when you don't fight.

Sure, you might die. But at least you faught...

Armenians have been fighting everyday for years and years its not only one day of the year we bring this up.

Fletch XXX 04-24-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Just_Dave (Post 14107615)
Armenians have been fighting everyday for years and years its not only one day of the year we bring this up.

I know, I used to see families having to paint over the Armenian gang graffitti from our alley walls when we lived in the SF Valley.

Armenians were always fighting, they used to tag different cali armenian gang locales and shit.... come from glendale and tag their glendale shit as a fuck you to SFV etc...

maybe you get those guys to fight for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Power

ronin 04-24-2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14107551)
Noone cares, go away

u go first....fool :321GFY

CyberAgeGary 04-24-2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14107551)
Noone cares, go away

Did you need attention? Is this why your in this tread?

rocketrich 04-24-2008 11:53 AM

Its sad, but that was the past. Luckily the Arminian people have a counrty to defend them from future genocides

Achoo 04-24-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14107637)
I know, I used to see families having to paint over the Armenian gang graffitti from our alley walls when we lived in the SF Valley.

Armenians were always fighting, they used to tag different cali armenian gang locales and shit.... come from glendale and tag their glendale shit as a fuck you to SFV etc...

maybe you get those guys to fight for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Power

You are off topic, every nationality has gangs and organized crime groups.

Whats your point??

"Faced with pressure from Hispanic gang members in the area, young Armenians in East Hollywood grouped together to form Armenian Power."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Power

ADL Colin 04-24-2008 12:41 PM

How about the poor Canaanites? Wiped the fuck out

Grapesoda 04-24-2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14107637)

same reason the Aryan brotherhood got started. protection. in their case it was protection against the blacks. -bmb

jakethedog 04-24-2008 01:06 PM

not to dismiss in anyway this issue ..I would just like to bring up another similar much more recent "genocide" that actually made me sick to my stomach for days upon hearing about it happening in 1994 was the Rwanda incident and the genocide of the Tootsi by the Hutu tribes ..some 850,000 deaths with out any intervention by the US military because as stated but the government that they had no financial interest in the country so it would be a pointless waste of money

cem 04-24-2008 01:16 PM

It wasn't a genocide. Now get over it.

Pleasurepays 04-24-2008 01:36 PM

Yay Armenia!!

31 MARCH-THE DAY OF GENOCIDE OF AZERBAIJANIS


According to the decree of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan of 26 March 1998, every year on 31 March Azerbaijan commemorates the Day of Genocide of Azerbaijanis.

This year the people of Azerbaijan once again pay their respect to victims of massacres and ethnic cleansing conducted as a result of imperial policies in the region and waves of Armenian aggression.

The dismemberment of the Azerbaijani people and the division of the historical lands of Azerbaijan began with the Treaties of Gyulistan and Turkmanchai, signed in 1813 and 1828. The national tragedy of the Azerbaijani people continued with occupation of their lands. As the result of implementation of this policy, a very rapid mass resettlement of Armenians in Azerbaijani lands took place. The policy of genocide became an integral part of the occupation of Azerbaijani lands.

Inspired by dreams of creating a ?Greater Armenia?, Armenians, not even concealing their intentions, carried out a series of large-scale bloody actions against Azerbaijanis between 1905 and 1907. Hundreds of settlements were destroyed and razed to the ground; the thousands of Azerbaijanis were barbarically killed.

Taking advantage of the situation followed the World War I and the February and October 1917 Revolution in Russia, Armenians began to pursue the implementation of their plans under the banner of Bolshevism. Under the watchword of combating counter-revolutionary elements, in March 1918 the Baku Commune began to implement a criminal plan aimed at eliminating Azerbaijanis from the whole of Baku Province. The crimes perpetrated by Armenians in those days have imprinted themselves forever in the memory of the Azerbaijani people. Solely because of their ethnic affiliation, thousands of peaceful Azerbaijanis were annihilated. The Armenians set fire to homes and burned people alive. They destroyed national architectural treasures, schools, hospitals, mosques and other facilities, and left the greater part of Baku in ruins.

The genocide of the Azerbaijanis was carried out with particular cruelty in Baku, Shemakha and Guba districts and the Karabakh, Zangazur, Nakhichevan, Lankaran and other regions of Azerbaijan. In these areas, the civilian population was exterminated, with villages put to the torch and national cultural monuments ruined and destroyed.

After the proclamation of the Azerbaijani Democratic Republic, the events of March 1918 were at the center of attention. In 1919 and 1920 the Azerbaijani Democratic Republic observed 31 March as a national day of mourning. This was in fact his first attempt to give a political assessment of the policy of genocide against Azerbaijanis. However, the demise of the Azerbaijani Democratic Republic left this work unfinished.

In 1920, taking advantage of the sovetization of Transcaucasia for heir own vile purposes, the Armenians declared Zangazur and the number of Azerbaijani districts as a territory of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic.
On 23 December 1947 the Armenians secured the adoption of a special decision by the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the resettlement of Azerbaijanis from Armenian SSR to the Azerbaijani SSR, and between 1948 and 1953 they were able to have mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from their historical lands conducted at the State level.
Beginning in the 1950th the Armenian nationalists, with the help of their protectors, initiated a flagrant campaign of intellectual aggression against the Azerbaijani people. In books, magazines and newspapers they sought to prove that the most treasured masterpieces of the national culture of the Azerbaijanis, their classical heritage and architectural monuments belonged to the Armenians.
Hundreds of Azerbaijanis were driven from the city of Erevan and other districts of the Armenian SSR. Armenians grossly violated the rights of Azerbaijanis, made it difficult for them to be educated in their mother tongue, and pursued a policy of repression. The historical names of Azerbaijani villages were changed; old toponyms were replaced with modern names on a scale unprecedented in the history of toponymy.

The new territorial claims of Armenia towards Azerbaijan instigated by the leadership of USSR, at the end of 80s of the last century resulted in a large-scale war, occupation of 20 percent of territories of the Republic of Azerbaijan by the Armenian military units, and becoming refugees and internally displaced persons of about one million of Azerbaijanis.

In 1988 the remaining 200,000 Azerbaijanis were forcibly deported from their historical homelands within the present-day Armenian State. Killing and maiming accompanied the mass expulsion: 216 Azerbaijanis were killed during the ethnic cleansing in 1988-1989.


In February 1992, the Armenians committed unprecedented massacre of the population of the Azerbaijani town of Khojaly. The bloody tragedy, which became known as the Khojaly Genocide, resulted in extermination or capture of thousands of Azerbaijanis; the town was razed to the ground. That tragic action by its scale and features is in full conformity with the notion of genocide defined by provisions set forth in the Convention ?On Prevention and Punishment of Crime of Genocide? adopted by the UN General Assembly resolution 260 {III} dated December 9,1948.

All of Azerbaijan?s tragedies that took place in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries were accompanied by the seizure of lands constituted various stages in the Armenia?s deliberate and systematic policy of genocide against Azerbaijanis.

In contrast to the aggressive Armenian nationalists who unceasingly declare to the world about the pseudo-genocide and use it for the purpose of getting political-financial dividends and to achieve some ?compensations? Azerbaijan does not follow such kind of aims informing the world about truth of the genocide of Azerbaijanis. We consider that in the modern world territorial claims against another state, ideology of hate against the whole nations, attempts to solve the arguable issues between the states and peoples by military means are inadmissible. At the same time, the whole world should know the truth about the real genocide.

Addressing the nation on the occasion of the Day of Genocide of Azerbaijanis, President İlham Aliyev stated, ?I am convinced that thanks to the patriotism and good organization of our citizens, and the purposeful activities and political will of the leadership of Azerbaijan, we will achieve solution to all the problems we are facing, including restoration of the territorial integrity and sovereignty, as well as exposure of those who carried out the policy of real genocide against our people, and whose ideology is hostility and hatred towards other nations...?

armin 04-24-2008 01:51 PM

Armenian Genocide
 
I am an ARMENIAN and PLENTY OF PEOPLE CARE !!! My Grandfather's whole family was exterminated in Turkey. THIS IS NOT "GOING AWAY" Thanks Dave for spreading the truth. ICQ me when you can
Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14107551)
Noone cares, go away


armin 04-24-2008 02:00 PM

I stand with Dave
 
I got you Dave, you can't expect americans of only average intelligence to understand the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. Most have only just heard of the "holocaust". It should be recognized in this country as a GENOCIDE. Unfortunately, due to the military and economic ties the US has with turkey, it will probably not be approved in the senate. At least, not in our lifetime.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_Dave (Post 14107615)
Armenians have been fighting everyday for years and years its not only one day of the year we bring this up.


armin 04-24-2008 02:01 PM

Ronin.
 
thx for backin up the armos !
Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin (Post 14107747)
u go first....fool :321GFY


stfucash_edd 04-24-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cem (Post 14108099)
It wasn't a genocide. Now get over it.

How was it not a Genocide?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dictionary.com
Genocide: the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Was that not what they tried to do? Were the Armenians not pushed into the outer deserts to be systematically wiped out? Were they not a national/cultural group?

If you don't have something educated to say, don't bother saying it.


These people were all victims; women, children, scholars... the list goes on and on.

CherryLipsRosa 04-24-2008 02:15 PM

Thx for sharing and yes we all care

armin 04-24-2008 02:18 PM

something educated to say
 
An educated person...that's what I like to see, educated conversation. Thank You for your insight.. As an American Armenian I thank you.
Quote:

Originally Posted by stfucash_edd (Post 14108342)
How was it not a Genocide?



Was that not what they tried to do? Were the Armenians not pushed into the outer deserts to be systematically wiped out? Were they not a national/cultural group?

If you don't have something educated to say, don't bother saying it.

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These people were all victims; women, children, scholars... the list goes on and on.


shahab6 04-24-2008 02:20 PM

It's unfortunate that it happened

stfucash_edd 04-24-2008 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armin (Post 14108373)
As an American Armenian I thank you.

As an Armenian, you're welcome.

stfucash_edd 04-24-2008 03:32 PM

^bump^ for awareness

armin 04-24-2008 03:40 PM

"karma"
 
Have you ever known or done business with a "typical" Armenian that has systematically tried to wipe out your culture or ethnicity? If so, then karma IS a bitch. Wow, that's some rationale! So, let me understand you correctly, being a schrewd business man can somehow justify mass killings? I don't think that can be called karma! Its called GENOCIDE
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 14108295)
This is horrific and sad what the Turks did, but if you have ever known or done business with a "typical" Armenian then karma is a bitch.


xentech 04-24-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14107566)
Um, yes they do.

I have tons of Armenian friends. I watch the coverage and stories on the educational channels like History Channel and A&E every year to remind me how cold and fucked up the world can be in "civilized" times.

That shit was fucked up. Armenians and their friends and families will never let the world forget that someone tried to snuff them out for their own benefit.

Fuck That.

People DO care.


:mad:

Sorry Bert, ofcourse I care but I don't wanna read about it. Geneocides have been happening for thousands of years, get over it. I also have a friend who is Armenian, who gives a fuck. If someone posted about the Holocaust I'd post that I don't care just the same. This is an adult webmaster board and I don't wanna read about the fucking Armenian Genocide. Get over it.

xentech 04-24-2008 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin (Post 14107747)
u go first....fool :321GFY

Well done, you have recieved the comeback of the century award. You should be proud.

stfucash_edd 04-24-2008 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14108713)
Sorry Bert, ofcourse I care but I don't wanna read about it. Geneocides have been happening for thousands of years, get over it. I also have a friend who is Armenian, who gives a fuck. If someone posted about the Holocaust I'd post that I don't care just the same. This is an adult webmaster board and I don't wanna read about the fucking Armenian Genocide. Get over it.

We're all aware that genocides have happened numerous times (and continue to happen right now). The point is that Armenians seek recognition for the genocides that was committed on them.

xentech 04-24-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stfucash_edd (Post 14108727)
We're all aware that genocides have happened numerous times (and continue to happen right now). The point is that Armenians seek recognition for the genocides that was committed on them.

Great. Well, my heart is with the people affected, but they just need to get over it. The issue just doesn't concern me and I'm not sure why it should concern anyone. What's done is done and you can't change that, and I don't see why people should apologies for things their ancenstors did, and even if they do what value it holds.

stfucash_edd 04-24-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14108766)
Great. Well, my heart is with the people affected, but they just need to get over it. The issue just doesn't concern me and I'm not sure why it should concern anyone. What's done is done and you can't change that, and I don't see why people should apologies for things their ancenstors did, and even if they do what value it holds.

Thank you, but once again you fail to understand the concept. The problem is that the Armenians want recognition of it being a GENOCIDE.

I think its completely wrong and ignorant to hold a grudge against the country today, after all, it was the earlier Ottoman Turks who committed the acts, not the government they house today.

Think of it as the Jews never gaining recognition of the Holocaust. Pretty much the same concept.

armin 04-24-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stfucash_edd (Post 14108939)
Thank you, but once again you fail to understand the concept. The problem is that the Armenians want recognition of it being a GENOCIDE.

I think its completely wrong and ignorant to hold a grudge against the country today, after all, it was the earlier Ottoman Turks who committed the acts, not the government they house today.

Think of it as the Jews never gaining recognition of the Holocaust. Pretty much the same concept.

Agreed 100%

JC-OCCash 04-24-2008 08:02 PM

I grew up in Fresno California which is probably only second to glendale in Armenian population(making me an honorary BRRRRO!)...The genocide was very real and its a shame that there isnt more remembrance or sympathy......:(

seeric 04-24-2008 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xentech (Post 14108713)
Sorry Bert, ofcourse I care but I don't wanna read about it. Geneocides have been happening for thousands of years, get over it. I also have a friend who is Armenian, who gives a fuck. If someone posted about the Holocaust I'd post that I don't care just the same. This is an adult webmaster board and I don't wanna read about the fucking Armenian Genocide. Get over it.

you're the one who clicked the thread. it was clear in the title what it was about. you intended to kick dirt into a subject to look like a hot shit.

not cool. don't click the thread next time since you don't care.

:321GFY

seeric 04-24-2008 08:10 PM

I am honorary Armo

halfpint 04-24-2008 08:20 PM

And we call oursevles civilised human beings..more like uncivilised animals :2 cents:

Vick! 04-24-2008 08:40 PM

American has been fucking the piece of world for quite a while now .. and it happened many many fucking times.

Here is relatively shorter list of American wars.

http://i28.tinypic.com/21d39qx.png
Source: US Wars



Here is a better, detailed and interactive version, with brief description of each war.


http://i25.tinypic.com/24paxwn.jpg

163 ?? :eek2 :eek2 .. yes, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FUCKING THREE ..!!!




yeah, Hitler was bad .. :pimp

OG LennyT 04-25-2008 01:14 AM

It was a terrible Genocide.. learned about it and others in a 'History of Genocide' class at ASU. :(

Gunni 04-25-2008 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vick! (Post 14109733)

163 ?? :eek2 :eek2 .. yes, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FUCKING THREE ..!!!


more like 164...
They seem to have left Afghanistan out :upsidedow


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