I make money hand over fist and you are a broke poor pooor poser
 

If you are an affiliate... I fuckin respect you I swear really I do.. you are the ones who make this whole thing work

If you are a program owner, afil manager etc etc... statisticly you are most likely scum

Fuck you and suck my dick

ok carry on have a great day :)

Nice day to you too :)

Sure thing man. Yup pure scum. Affiliates definitely get all the respect and do make everything work. Hell they are out there in the trenches risking life and freedom to make the content, paying untold sums of money to put up sites and maintain them, pay everyone else in this business to keep it going, and of course handle and pay for most of what an affiliate should do. Yet you go boy and keep cashing those checks, without you doing that none of this would work.

If all your affiliates dropped off the map today you'd be pretty fucked. FACT.

I do not float my own sites in my sig. If my affiliates dropped off the map today or even a year ago I would be out 4.9% of my sales, now that is a fact. Technically it is rounded up to 4.9 as well.

One FACT to remember is not to make assumptions.

I personally do like affiliates that work. I help affiliates and I am also an affiliate for many sites. Wish the world and this business was as black and white as many wish it to be, yet it is not. Nor am I a minority in using the business plan of running your own pay sites and being your own largest affiliate. With the right sites and the right niches/micro niches, affiliates just cost you more than they ever could earn you in the long term due to competition.

Alright fair enough. Everyone sign up and start promoting this guy, he's giving out free handjobs to all affiliates! :1orglaugh

JK bro.

Actually sign up for the site in my sig and maybe some handjobs can be arranged during internext if you send enough sales and are ok with a trip outside of Vegas and into Clark county. Though you better send a whole shit load if you want one from me.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I like your style!

Dude affiliates invented cheating.
Affiliates also card, send fake sign ups, scam others, spam, send out viruses and crap to steal from other affiliates, steal content, steal designs, steal text, fuck some are so stupid they steal so much they forget to change the affiliate link.

You are lumping way to many companies and hell business models into one lump.
PS this is a bad way to try to pump up momentum for launching your own program, specially if you think everyone else is evil no matter what and are just jaded affiliates. Also I have never doubted any financial shit you have posted here over the years, though you do a bunch of post big balling ya know.

I will come back to this thread latter to see if you decided to talk a bit more level headed. Even though it is late I am not entirely done checking all of the type in joins to make sure some should not belong to an affiliate based on them joining before in the past. No I am not making this up either. I do this once a month with my own program. Yet remember I am scum.

Respect!!

thats all I can say

and although I said "owners" I did not say all

im just say that you have to admit... there are a lit of shady fuckers out there

and they are in gact fucking up the biz more then any affiliate could ever wish

do you really think most affiliates have the resources ( money ) to fund some of the biggest tube and torrent sites?

I have information on one program in paticular that pushes everyones elses content in that competitive niche to torrensts and makes sure that his stuff has never seen a long file name.... seriously

I believe you when you say you are above board but believe me when I say that 70% of program owbers are not

you should be arrested for this pic

can you fit your head in there?:1orglaugh

almost lmao

props for a good come back lol

I will tone it down a bit, dont want to come off that way

Last I checked for every program that still shaved or scammed their affiliates there were 50 affiliates out there scamming programs with fake joins from stolen cc's etc. Its pretty clear some of you guys have never seen the running of a paysite program .. affiliate's have it good but its not gonna last too much longer.

Meaning what exactly?

Fraud is getting to the point where Aff programs need to take measures much like what Topbucks did this week, or just close down to new affiliates entirely (ton of programs have done that this year). Also not sure when some form of reduced payout or reserve payout system will start to come in much like processors keep a reserve from our sales made.

bullshit!!!

as both an affiliate and a site owner I declare your post complete bullshit

program owners have it easy especially if they make "bro" status

you cant even complain about a bro fucking you over on a message board.... try it and see what happens lol

Me personally ... I fuckin respect affiliates and would only do biz with companies who feel the same way:2 cents:

i am the lizard king

Both are as bad as eachother. Affiliates use very dirty methods to promote sponsors i dont know what world your living in pussyserver where affiliates dont treat surfers like shit just the same as some programs.


But the fact is affiliates need the sponsors more than the program owner needs the affiliate. Without the program the affiliate has nothing to promote, without the affiliate the surfers still need porn, the program can promote itself.

without affiliates... most surfers would be regulated to a very small handfull of mega programs with the resources to top rank and use powerful click marketing as well as type in domains... the big players only

but for everyone else.... they could no way survive without affiliates

Ahh the 'bro' club. Maybe here, not most other message boards.

Anyhow what the hell does that have to do with my post?! You went on a complete 180 degree tangent.. How the hell does being part of some 'bro club' and being a 'standup guy' mean you are less likely to be targeted by affiliate fraud ??! Of course it doesn't.

Two Words: Search Engine Two More Words:Type Ins

For most programs that will give them all they need pussyserver. Since you're not really in the biz...let me tell you a secret: I've been an affiliate for a little over 10 years. Easiest money I ever made. Granted I had and have my own real traffic from tgps that I own. But let me show you some quick math: If you were an affiliate of mine and someone signed up through your code you make $17.49 on that revshare 50/50 sale. Only it ISN'T really 50/50. Not only do you NOT share the cost of shooting, editing, uploading, updating, hosting...but you also do NOT share the simple cost of billing and when one of your surfers tries to sign up but is declined (yes pusssyserver, we get charged by the credit card processors for that too) Not to mention that when one of your surfers turns out to be a scammer and comes in to download an entire members area for later upload to a tube and then does a chargeback...I not only lose the money on the sale, but then the bank charges ME $55 on top of that.

So no...you will make FAR MORE than 50%...

But be that as it may...out of that $34.99 sale you make $17.49 The biller makes $6.29 I then have a grand profit (after all my real hard work, risk, and actual money put out) of $11.38

BUT, when I get a type in from a search engine? Then my only cost is the biller and I profit $28.87 on that sale.

That is why program owners often throw their hands up in the air over affiliates "demands" and affiliates trying to "share" in every bit of monetization of a paysite. You want to "share" my x-sell or my upsell? Then your ass can "share" in my production costs and declines and chargebacks and hosting.

Does that make sense? As After Shock Media said....It's not all black and white.

I make the majority of my income on my work as an affiliate through my tgps. Takes me a couple of hours a day. The sponsors send me emails full of promo material. I import them into my database, they are cued up to run...done. Easiest money I ever made in my life.

My work with my paysite? I spend 8 to 10 hours a day EVERYDAY working on it. And the challenges never stop.

I'm not whining or crying about anything...but I know that as an affiliate I never realized what it was like on the paysite side. Now I see both sides. I can tell you that being an affiiate is not as difficult as being a paysite owner. Not by a long shot.

Nice post, and I couldn't agree more. :)

Thanks. Like most people I do respect and hell...I NEED my good affiliates. Guys that own their own sites and send golden traffic like FreeOnes, Lanas, Joggs, Boobster, etc. Those guys put some time and thought into what they do. And their traffic reflects that. Hell take a look at my tgp http://www.grampland.com/mmpage.html I personally do that by hand. There are a thousand things for the surfer to do and look at, and of course underlying it all are categorized galleries.

That's how you send quality traffic as an affiliate. But not all affiliates are like me or joggs or freeones. :(

You are forgetting programs get all the traffic with no cookies most of the time, they could shave and we have no way to know, they can use multiple forms of processing and only pay for some, they get up-sells and prechecks that can pay more then the 50% they are giving to the affiliate, they can do cookies for only a few days, and that is just some of the less sneaky things that can be done.

... you make it sound so easy. maybe everyone doesn't have a high traffic site but works hard sending traffic anyway they can.

It really does seem like in some programs you're pissed on... :2 cents:

and the example I'm thinking of was an email I got from somebody that I was sending traffic to " please let us know when you are going to send us some traffic" ...:1orglaugh

yes it wasn't much.

there are a few people that i would characterize as being the dumbest, most delusional people in this industry.... although i realize mental illness is a factor in behavior for many in the adult biz (and certainly common on this forum) i.e. sociopathic, bi-polar, anti-social personality disorder, manic depressive personalities and so on and drugs certainly play a role for many, this tard pussyserver, for whatever reason and whatever excuse is definitely in the top 10 ass clowns to ever post here.

Threads like this one are made by guys who made no money as kids and thought making money would make them happy but it didn't because no one respects them... Sure when they want to do a deal they will pretend to show respect but behind their backs they all talk shit about this idiot and his drinking problems...

fartfly...it isn't easy to build up traffic over the years. And of course tubesites have destroyed my traffic numbers from 5 years ago. There definitely isn't as much traffic for a tgp anymore. And I can't speak for how other programs may or may not have treated you. Not all program owners and damn sure not many affilate reps have ever been on the other side of the coin as a true affiliate.

My personal feeling is that sooner or later the tubes and torrents are going to have a day of legal reckoning. When that happens...the affiliates are going to have a much easier time of it than now.

I mean how the hell can you send a sale to some of these programs that have their entire members area ripped on a thousand tube sites for free?

You can't.

That's why one of the challenges that I have faced over the last 6 months has been stopping that.

I spent a nice little chunk to buy the Adobe Flash Server and I have spend the last two months re-rendering video and converting our entire members area over to encrypted streaming. And I hired removeyourcontent.com to find all the .wmv files that are already out there on tubes and torrents.

Yes, it cost me money. Yes, I did lose maybe 5% of my members who were pissed that they couldn't download anymore (probably the same motherfuckers who were uploading my shit to tubes) And NO, my affiliates didn't "share" in my expense lol

But now I'm seeing more sales. It was inevitable. I have a site with a solo girl and exclusive content that I shoot myself. Her fans can't find the new updates anywhere. So they join, and they stay.

Sites that work to ensure that their content isn't being stolen are the ones you need to be promoting. Look at your stats and you'll see what I mean. There is still plenty of money to be made.

just not as easy as it used to be.:2 cents:

you can always make more :)

From this thread I conclude everyone in this biz (program owners, affiliates, surfers, ...) is a cheater and thief . Nice thread :thumbsup

People that judge a whole group of people based on what a small % of that group does is pretty lame. Your a black dude so you should know what I mean.

I always worked my traffic by hand on my tgps. Never blindlinked, circle jerked, did installs, etc. etc. You know, all the nasty things that affiliates can do and definitely do all the time. My shit was always clean. So the traffic QUALITY was always good.

That's why freeones can make so many sales when they push you. They are clean. Some sites with twice that traffic can't make 1/100th of the sales.

Remember, the affiliate model in adult was originally SUPPOSED to be a way for free site OWNERS with traffic to send sales to paysites. That transformed almost immediately in the mid-1990's into surfers signing up as "affiliates" and getting free hosted accounts, buying content discs, and making galleries and sales (that is until we banned the freehosts from tgps...because again....they were ripping people off. That's right the AFFILIATES were doing it)

Now it's turned into a free-for-all clusterfuck of "affiliates" who don't own anything and don't really have any traffic. They are all "search engine gurus" who "work" the search engines with little more than an affiliate code and a post bot for blogs.

Sometimes it's a hard pill for me to swallow to even consider them as part of this business....because they really aren't.

The affiliates with the most sales are freeones, boobster, jogs, lanas, and a HANDFUL of others. And the one thing they all have in common is that they actually own sites that are well done and full of personality and a "human touch".

That is something that all "affiliates" could learn from in my opinion.

One other major problem with being an affiliate is your account can be canceled whenever the program chooses. You spend a year building up recurring business and they decide to close your account because they see something they don't like supposedly. You just lost your recurring members for the last year and the program keeps all the profit.

Yeap they all can be