Do you believe the official version of 9 / 11?
 

Simple question: do you believe the official version of what happened on 9 / 11?

Please vote.

I would also like to ask why is it considered wrong or unpatriotic to ask questions about what happened that day?

More questions:

• Explosions in basements of both Tower 1 & 2 prior to the airplanes striking.
• Inability to recover planes at the Pentagon & the disappearance of flight 93.
• Why people heard and videos show multiple small explosions as if through a controlled demolition.
• Why pools of melted metal was found when jet fuel can not melt fire proofed steel.
• Why Tower 1 & 2 fell at free fall speed (no resistance) which is only seen in controlled demolitions by support columns being blown out.
• Why no videos show the Pentagon being struck by a airplane.
• Why the FBI refuses to release the videos of the Pentagon incident.

Anyone who believes the official story hasn't done any research.
I posted this on the other thread, but very useful here, since top people in the military don't even believe it.

You also left out building 7 .. 75 percent of americans don't even know 3 buildings fell that day.

If the government was able to pull off the amazing feat of putting explosives into a building with thousands of people in it in the middle of manhattan, and with all of the people involved managing to never even tell one spouse; then why didn't they send a small seal team into Iraq in the beginning of the invasion in order plant a cache of WMDs to be "found" in the middle of the desert? It would have been MUCH MUCH easier to pull off and to keep secret, and would have then totally justified the whole war.


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Why say it was the government? Whoever it was, why is it wrong to ask questions and get the truth? Why are people who want to know the truth laughed at like they were paranoid conspiracy theorist?

I honestly don't believe the government has it in them to coordinate something like this. I have the same problem with the JFK assassination. They can't even clean up hurricanes or develop a healthcare system.

Why is it the government can't do anything correctly except major conspiracies of epic proportions? :1orglaugh

P.S. This probably also means the official report is worthless too though, but not out of malice, just incompetence.

Actually your point does not make sense since you are claiming they did a good job with these supposed conspiracies. If they had done a good job, everyone would believe Oswald shot Kennedy and that Al Qaueda was solely responsible for 9 / 11, when anyone with half a brain knows that there is a lot more to both incidents. Yet we believe whatever we want and ridicule people who want answers to question.

I don't know the answer to that, but to discredit all the crazy coincidences on 9/11 cause they didn't plant WMD's in Iraq is foolish.

Well, too clarify, I don't think the government has it in them to pull off a conspiracy of any type. Neither do criminal organizations these days once they are discovered. It's like the second you involve more than one person, someone is going to rat or let things like. It's just the nature of the best.

Isn't it more likely that crazy ass bombers who we know will blow themselves up at a whim and take people out came up with a master plan and no one really thought it could happen?

Again I might not be being clear, but I'm just saying.

Hey, watch that South Park episode where Bush is behind making everything look like a conspiracy and actually is involved in it hands on to make the government look more dangerous and powerful than it really is. That's fucking hilarious!

that's a complete misrepresentation. 9/11 truthers/conspiracy theorists are incapable of adult debate re: the topic. you all sit back with your arms crossed and demand others disprove your negative comments and spout such things as *it's impossible for a building to naturally collapse like wtc #7 did* all the while acting like you understand the physics of such things as nano-thermite.

and never show any willingness to admit you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

i've yet to see one single truther/conspiracy theorist say anything along the lines of *well, that makes sense, there's no way they could get enough nano-thermite in that building.*

or *well, yes, it makes no sense that the larry silverstein (the owner of bldg #7) had the sole authority to call for the building's collapse and it's quite preposterous that he is the only one of all the people involved in the conspiracy to slip, revealing the conspiracy.*

that being said, i do not believe in the official version, but there's no point in even trying to carry on an adult conversation with people who are completely unwilling to budge from their myopic, uneducated, & overly-simplistic view of the event.

P.S. dude, I don't believe in any official government report anymore than I believe in them being able to pull off a conspiracy though. We can't even have faith in the press giving us the truth anymore ever since that insider tobacco thing with 60 minutes, but still these conspiracy freaks are even scarier.

I'm not calling you a conspiracy freak though.

In the sense that the government says we were attacked by a foreign entity...yes absolutely I believe that...as we had been attacked by many similar...and sometimes the same foreign entities...for twenty years prior to 9/11...including the World Trade Center...prior to 9/11.

People are free to ask all of the questions they want...and they do. People are also free to make all of the outrageous declarative statements they want...and they do.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Lots of people have blown the whistle on 9/11 but you wont see it on your FOX, CNN or New York Times

Just on Joe's underground press newspaper from the basement of his Long beach apartment with circulation of 3, himself, his mother and his bipolar crack addicted girlfriend.

i really don't believe you can plan and execute something like this without someone being involved (and that must have been hundreds of people) saying a single word about it in public - before or after it happened.

Sorry! And on that website too! We all know websites are really hard to make and print shady info on!

the point is -

if all these people question 9/11, then you should too.

more sheeple mentality from those claiming to be non-sheeple.

I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories specifically, but I certainly don't believe the official government details either.

You don't believe you could gather four groups of gang bangers together to do four drive byes at the same time if you happened to hang out with those people. I mean I know gang bangers won't be stupid enough to kill themselves by driving their cars into homes with bombs in their cars, but they will certainly ruin the rest of their lives and spray everybody on the street dead in the process.

I don't understand the complications of these missions these plane jockeys were pulling off. I actually can't believe it even took them this long to come up with things like this. And as far as the buildings melting, that was just a bonus. The damage would have been bad no matter what and the attempt might have been almost as bad even if the biggest and best hit had failed - the twin towers that is.

Yes a symmetrical collapse at the point of most resistance at freefall acceleration in all 3 buildings was a huge bonus. So was Norad standing down, so was the passport of one of the hijackers found in the WTC rubble it goes on and on.. Americans will fall for anything.

They should have just used the same steel as in WTC 5 and they woulda been fine.

There is no question about 9/11 and Osama is not just some guy living in a cage. I know what you're trying to say, and I'm no smarter (or any more informed) about the actual facts, but lets get real here for one second...

here's a question-

do you believe in the official conspiracy version of 9/11?

This is the EXACT KIND OF BULLSHIT I am talking about. You are not privy to that information and all data can be twisted and misinterpreted without the proper people there to asses and dispute it without the proper goals and target they are accessing.

I mean shit, if you have all this info why aren't you tracking down Osama on your own. You know there is a reward for him even if he's a patsy, right?

Are you asking me, personally?

I think a slick motherfucker could prove there is a conspiracy to life in general *cough cough* the Roman Catholic church, but regardless, no, I don't see the actual profit from any high level Americans being involved in a conspiracy against our own country without the Omen thing going on.

I do think that could change real soon though the way things are going. But our country is all about profit. There is no actual profit from this. It did just the opposite...

BUT ALL THIS IS BESIDE THE POINT. Our government is incapable of this efficiency these days. It's that simple and even when we were champs and always winning other shit was going on. The competition was just THAT FUCKING BAD!

what is funny to me is no one believes the offiical story...but everyone labels anything other then the official story a conspiracy...which they flat out refuse

so they are back to loving the official story :)

its interesting to watch...clearly everyone is twisted over this, and everyone knows that they are owed a better explanation and investigation, however nothing is done about it because you are labeled for life if you go against the grain and ask questions that ruffle feathers.


id like to respond to dyna mo.
when you make a statement you expect it to ring true...such as

"i've yet to see one single truther/conspiracy theorist say anything along the lines of *well, that makes sense, there's no way they could get enough nano-thermite in that building.*"

to me you assume that you are correct in your assumption that it is indeed hard to get that much nano thermite anywhere.....lets assume you have the means to get nano-thermite, whoever you are....since there are no bomb sniffing dogs at wtc anymore, you can ship it in via ups if you like....even better make your own ups truck and uniforms and just march it right in yourself....even better, the guy delivering the thermite has no idea what he is delivering....ten tons of nano thermite could probably be delivered in 1 day if you wanted to


and lets not quibble here, the real government does what it does, the average employee there is a useless slob...they are most definitely not capable of pulling off a strategic military style operation such as this one.

ex military types with plenty of blackmail material on them and who get off on killing people are probably the ones doing the deeds...who pays them is probably interesting....but that is even more speculation.

What is the official conspiracy version? As far as as I know there isn't one. I have however seen many demolition experts (you know, people who blow things up for a living) say it is impossible for the buildings to have fallen the way they did without dynamite explosions.

some people profited greatly and still are

The fact that mossad agents were arrested on 9/11 in NYC was mainstream news
The passport was mainstream news. The fact that some of the hijackers turned up alive was mainstream news.
The Freefall acceleration of the towers is kindergarden physics, and signed by over 1200 arch's and engineers.
We have dual Citizens of Israel at the high levels of our government. Noone seems to think thats funny but me.

I think the most horrible thing the media has done to people was to doubt their common sense.

yes, opportunists. i wish i had been one.

That is just ridiculous. Two wars were started on the premise of those attacks, in fact it is almost as if the wars were planned and ready to be executed, and it was right after those attacks that things started moving into place. For you to say that nobody profited is ludicrous. It is impossible for you to know who profited and how, but you can be goddamn sure somebody did.

You're the kind of wacko mother fucker that makes liberal pinkos support censorship.

Please post all relevant documentation to back up your facts from legitimate sources that can be traced back to those legit organizations.

I do not believe in the power of the illumanti any more than my little sister's CRAFT club.

it was posted as an an alternative question to the thread topic, open to all to answer.

the logistics of getting the material to the site isn't the issue, the issue is the quantity required.

oh come on now. certainly you know the official conspiracy version is that the u.s. government attacked those buildings in a false flag op in order to justify the attack on iraq.

Really? I bet people like Dick Cheney, former exec at Halliburton, might disagree if he were honest for 2 seconds. How many banks are making money by loaning the US government to continue war and occupation in at least 2 foreign countries?

The mistake in your thinking is that you presume the government is the master instead of the servant.

What do you mean by premise of those attacks? They were hardly a premise. They happened.

Opportunists. I almost wish I was one and in his position, but I would like to think I would have had a little more class. Probably not though I have to admit.

Also I would like to know the answers to those questions you ask next too with legit data sheet in front of my face.

P.S anyone who thinks the government could pull off this conspiracy is someone who thinks the government is the master

Hijacker Alive And Well

I never once said that in this entire thread. I don't know who was behind it, but I am convinced the official version is bullshit. Meanwhile the media and the rest of the population finds it acceptable to discuss silly tea party protesters and idiots who want to questions trivial shit like Obama's place of birth and that he is leading the US towards socialism.

The truth is some people do not have the heart to believe that their government will deliberately lie to them about such things even when it has happened in the past.

I agree, people are good hearted for the most part and its hard to fathom people can be that evil. All you need to do is look at history and you can tell that for the most part we've been lied to about everything, starting with Columbus.