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Shap 10-11-2010 08:03 AM

Have Paysite or Affiliate program questions? Fire away I'll try to answer them ;)
 
Hi guys. As I mentioned in another thread Twistys turned 9 yesterday. I thought since so many people here helped us get to where we are I'd like to turn things around and help out or answer any questions people may have about Paysites or Affiliate Programs. So fire away. Ask me anything. :thumbsup

Note it's Thanksgiving here so I may not reply right away but I'll reply :thumbsup

Paper_Amar 10-11-2010 08:09 AM

5 things on every program owners To Do list daily?

Shap 10-11-2010 08:10 AM

Btw here are two threads I created in the past that have some valuable information as well.

Secrets to our success
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=694846

Twistys Stats Thread
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=558484

Shap 10-11-2010 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar (Post 17595892)
5 things on every program owners To Do list daily?

Damn That's a great question. Going to have to think about it

SomeCreep 10-11-2010 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17595876)
I thought since so many people here helped us get to where we are

Where is that, exactly?

fuzebox 10-11-2010 08:16 AM

Love your paysite threads. No specific questions, I'm just going to bookmark this one and revisit later.

Shap 10-11-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 17595913)
Where is that, exactly?

I guess 'THAT' would be to running a company larger than I ever dreamed of.

Roald 10-11-2010 08:23 AM

Congrats on the 9 years Shap and team, love you guys!!!

Question, what keeps you motivated (besides money)?

TCLGirls 10-11-2010 08:25 AM

Question: other than sourcing content, did you start as a one man operation, or did you already have employees/hired help from the start? If you had employees/hired help, what did they do?

Shap 10-11-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17595941)
Congrats on the 9 years Shap and team, love you guys!!!

Question, what keeps you motivated (besides money)?

Thanks Roald :thumbsup

Motivation can be a challenge at times. The nice thing with Twistys is all the feedback we get. We have a forum, comments, votes, emails you name it. It's nice to know how much our members appreciate the hard work that goes into the site. That makes it all worthwhile :winkwink:

Shap 10-11-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 17595948)
Question: other than sourcing content, did you start as a one man operation, or did you already have employees/hired help from the start? If you had employees/hired help, what did they do?

We started just my wife and I. We did everything. Updated the site manually every single day. That was a bitch especially when sales were <10 signups a day. We kept at it because I knew we were playing catch up. If we updated every day we'd eventually have a really huge members area. I felt it was important for new members to see a nice archive of updates. That way they'd know the site was alive and not some cookie cutter never touched site (which was the norm back then). That plus we had 3 tgps that we updated manually every day. I'm not the smartest guy in the biz lol that's for sure. However while everyone else was sleeping I was working. When they were partying I was working. When they were taking a shit I was working. I out hustled, out worked and out wanted my competition :winkwink:

fuzebox 10-11-2010 09:09 AM

Any ideas on how a one man shop with a few niche paysites can reach the next level or scale in 2010?

slapass 10-11-2010 09:13 AM

Do you think you could do the same thing today?

gleem 10-11-2010 09:32 AM

I have some questions feel free to tackle.

1. How do you up the trial to full member conversions? I experimented with full access all the way do to 3 vids, 2 vids, then zero video for trial area, and so far giving them nothing but thumbs & upgrade links is the best for conversions, but it's still not 2007 fantastic.

2. How do you maintain order and not have to mod all day on a members forum in a members area full of members who all joined at very different price points from $5 retention people all the way upto $39. I tried once and everyone just got pissed off cause some guy posted he was in for $5 a month.

3. For a small staff, what is best to allocate time to, please put this in order of priorities you would have:

Affiliate pic galleries
Affiliate WMV/MPG video galleries
Affiliate FLV gals
Affiliate banners

4.For retaining members, which is best

adding new sites to the members area (combined members area)
adding various exclusive content site/niche oriented leased feeds
adding leased DVD feeds
improving the CMS, CMS development

5. Marketing budget, whats the allocation priority to get more revenue.

1. Buying banner spots to directly sell your own sites to surfer
2. Buying gallery spots to directly sell your own sites to surfer
3. Hiring someone to get email marketing lists to send CANSPAM compliant emails to potential members.

4. Buying banner spots to recruit affiliates
5. Buying webmaster email lists & paying for affiliate mailings to recruit affiliates.

datatank 10-11-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17595941)
Congrats on the 9 years Shap and team, love you guys!!!

Question, what keeps you motivated (besides money)?

DING DING DING

When is it time to enjoy what you worked so hard for.

fuzebox 10-11-2010 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gleem (Post 17596147)
so far giving them nothing but thumbs & upgrade links is the best for conversions

This made me smile :winkwink:

gleem 10-11-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17596204)
This made me smile :winkwink:

the craziest part of it is, you get more complaints if you give em say only 5 of the 400 videos as viewable than having no vids viewable.

They get more upset if they only get a little, and if they get nothing for the trial but a tour of your members area, they are less likely to complain and more likely to upgrade... go figure.

Mutt 10-11-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17595986)
I out hustled, out worked and out wanted my competition :winkwink:

Who were/are your competition?

Ron2k1 10-11-2010 10:01 AM

I have been trying promotion from tubesite for a while, what's your opinion about that?

Do you think submitting clips with watermarks on tube sites is worth the time?
How long should those clips be? Or doesn't the length matter?

I personally have mixed results with it, sites like xvideos.com do offer the option to submit clips with huge watermarks for example, but they are also flooded with illegal content.

I also have a little succes from xhamster.com (they allow small watermark + link back URL for sponsors).

datatank 10-11-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17596069)
Any ideas on how a one man shop with a few niche paysites can reach the next level or scale in 2010?

Hire some staff for one

datatank 10-11-2010 01:05 PM

more people should be posting questions in here.
How often do you get a paysite and traffic leader/genious offering advice.

fuzebox 10-11-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 17596652)
Hire some staff for one

That's kind of the question. I can afford staff but am not sure what'd they'd do, and if theyd be profitable.

Paper_Amar 10-11-2010 05:32 PM

bump :)

would love to see some of these answered.

Amar

DWB 10-11-2010 05:35 PM

Congrats Shap.

ConWhat runs your members back end now? A custom CMS or off the shelf. If custom, how long did you have to work it to get it right?

Loch 10-11-2010 05:48 PM

I did not think that you and Beth were still in Canada Shap?
Or just back for the hollidays?

mmcfadden 10-11-2010 06:31 PM

Why do you get so much satisfaction out of a forum where the quotes, if positive, are...

Thankx fur the gret wank off! I really camed hard and you gz rock of!!

Wouldn't be making the money be enough satisfaction?

[ Nate ] 10-11-2010 07:11 PM

What software /accounting/ stats programs do you use to keep track of everything?

munki 10-11-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17595921)
Love your paysite threads. No specific questions, I'm just going to bookmark this one and revisit later.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Shap 10-11-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper_Amar (Post 17597635)
bump :)

would love to see some of these answered.

Amar

Spent the day at the pumpkin patch with my boy. Sorry got home late. I'll answer them all tomorrow ;)

datatank 10-11-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17596970)
That's kind of the question. I can afford staff but am not sure what'd they'd do, and if theyd be profitable.

Really?
You cant think of things for them to do to free up your time?
Think a little more man

blogs, tgps, galleries, tubes
plenty to do

fuzebox 10-11-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank (Post 17597890)
Really?
You cant think of things for them to do to free up your time?
Think a little more man

blogs, tgps, galleries, tubes
plenty to do

Yeah I don't think you understand what I'm getting at at all. Thanks though.

MovieMaster 10-11-2010 10:49 PM

Always a great resource.

NickB. 10-11-2010 10:57 PM

great respect for the man we call Shap

V_RocKs 10-12-2010 12:06 AM

Tease!.................

onlytease 10-12-2010 02:11 AM

Congrats on the 9 years Shap, we certainly look up at Twistys as being one of the best.

My question, is do you see a role in social media for promoting a multi model site, and if you do any secrets you want to share on how you embrace social media well? (apart from blogs, I am more referring to Twitter / Facebook type social media).

Cheers

Paul

Shap 10-12-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar (Post 17595892)
5 things on every program owners To Do list daily?

This is such a great question. I've been thinking about it all day. Here are a few things I recommend.

NOTE this is what I think a paysite owner should do. I just realize you said program owner.

First thing to start the day is to find out if there have been any customer support tickets that were out of the ordinary. It seems as soon as you have 2 tickets of the same sort that are uncommon you have a problem. Speed, errors whatever. If I get more than one speed complaint something is wrong. More than one error report something is wrong. It's important to get on that right away. There is no excuse for customer problems.

Next login to the site. View today's updates. Watch them. Read the comments. Look at the ratings. Would you be happy if you were your member? Are any comments negative? Are they valid or bs? If they are valid definitely address them.

Preview tomorrow's update. How does it look?

Review any received content.

What are you doing this week to make your site better? In most cases you can always do one thing a week to make your site better.

Shap 10-12-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar (Post 17595892)
5 things on every program owners To Do list daily?

Program Owners to do list.

Log in and check stats. See if sales are on track, traffic on track. Any anomalies good or bad? Look into them.

Log in to your sites. Be sure everything is running smooth (paysites to do list above lol). It is far more expensive to get a new member than keeping an existing one. Be sure all your efforts are not spent trying to get new members. Work equally hard on retaining your existing members.

I think a good practice for program owners would be to review a few accounts each day. Have them contacted to see what can be done to make more money. Far too many times I've found that just reaching out can take an account that does $100 a month to $1000 a month.

What one thing are you doing this week to make your sites convert better?

Have a list of where you are leaving money on the table and work to reduce that list to zero.

Shap 10-12-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17596069)
Any ideas on how a one man shop with a few niche paysites can reach the next level or scale in 2010?

Absolutely. Find sources of traffic you can convert and buy buy buy. A one man shop shouldn't spend too much time on affiliates. You have to be the master of converting traffic.

quiet 10-12-2010 09:08 AM

great thread.

Shap 10-12-2010 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 17596083)
Do you think you could do the same thing today?

That's a great question. To be brutally honest I don't think so. It couldn't be done the way i did it. That is for sure. When we started we were able to get by on just html. So my wife and I did just fine. Nowadays just html won't get you very far. Start up costs would be much higher. The affiliate world has changed getting the affiliates sales we had early on would never happen today we'd have to rely on buying traffic and converting it and turning a profit so higher costs involved there.

The market has changed so much. You can achieve great success but it would come at a higher cost imo. You'd have to be willing to have more money to start it and then re-invest re-invest re-invest.


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