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If You own a PaySite your site has to be better than Tube Sites!
As a pay site you have to offer something that makes it worth while for people to spend money on your site. You can't run your business hoping to attract the people that don't know about tubes.
I've been checking out a few larger programs' paysites today. I'm embarrassed that this is what people signing up get. No updates, shitty layout, these sites wouldn't get traffic if they were free. Unbelievable. A lot of our Twistys members are very aware of Tube sites. Many of them found us through tube sites and yet they are still willing to pay to be a member. I believe it's because we offer a few things that tube sites can't and we give them great value for their money. Ask yourself this question.... If your paysite was run as a free site how would your traffic do? Would it be an ever growing site? Or one most people wouldn't even bother visiting? |
You would be correct fine sire.
For us, we solicit ideas and suggestions from members. So we basically shoot the scenes, and scripts, they submit to us. This in turn keeps them happy. Which then has them telling their friends. So then they do it as well. Simple concept. |
what do you offer that tube sites can't?
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What could you possibly offer? HD video? How long until they do that? Lay in bed with em dude, it will only last so long. Yeah yeah yeah, but mark my words, bookmark this post... you will run back hungry or retire.
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From a video perspective we offer video that is as high quality as it gets. You can easily watch them on your tv and not notice any quality issues. Do we offer videos from every company under the sun. No. But what we do offer is catered to our members and is built and delivered the way they want it. No hoops to jump through. Easy navigation. They have a say in the content. They get to interact with the models. Like I said in the previous post this may mean nothing to you but to the people that pay for porn it seems to matter. |
The reality is if we turned Twistys into a 100% free site the traffic would be huge and continually growing because the surfers who like our stuff would get a high quality product. The sites I saw today I wouldn't visit again if I was forced to. It's brutal.
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Interesting POV you have there Shap.
What sites did you look at to come to this? |
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Don't listen to this guy, he has no idea how to run a paysite, tube or any business for that matter. ;)
As for which program had shit content not worth the price? Are you kidding, put all of them in a hat and pick a name. 99% chance you find shit. |
I agree Shap...and quite frankly that's the way it should have always been even before tube sites.
I do my work designed to please me. I made a site that I personally would enjoy as a big tit lover. Too many of the big programs just open up sites without anybody there in charge who has a real love for the niche or even a love of porn. They just pay people to shoot stuff and then watch the numbers. Good to know that some of us are still doing this as work of love first...the money always follows that. |
I think a few tubes and myfreecams are the only bookmarks a surfer needs. And it's free.
97 out of 100 are already doing it. 3 surfers will join paysites. 2 of them will regret it ( for different reasons ) and join the first group. ( n.b. exaggerated for more impact ) . |
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Btw wtf I just noticed my guys don't have Claudia Marie up on BigBreastLovers. Let's get that rectified this week. |
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10,000 view porn 5 pay for it 3 get screwed 2 never pay for it again 1 may if we are all lucky |
HD videos may work for now, but once these guys download those videos and upload it to tube (or should I say tube owner/empolyee download your stuff and upload it to their tube) tube will become more HD, then what's next?
Problem is you can adapt, but so can they. Personally I think HD is just a short-term solution. |
well said shap...sometimes what lies inside the members area is laughable.
usually though the people making money know that they have to offer tons of quality content. i wont spam this thread...but ahem...daily updates here :) |
You guys have to realize it's not all about content. People are paying for access to something, whether it's real or imagined doesn't really matter.
If people think they are getting "closer" to the porn they like by joining, they will join and do so happily. That's not just porn, that's true for just about anything people pay for. It starts with good content, but doesn't end there. The reason most members areas suck is because they feel like ghost towns. There is content but nobody seems to be running it. When people pay to get in, they want to actually "get in" to something. It's not just access to content. |
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nothing will beat FREE!
Guys have been Jerking off FREE since the dawn of time as time goes on..you do not see your sales rising, you see them eroding as you cut back your expenses.. you try pricing tricks and gimmicks to keep the over-head from rising up..it's a matter of time before more and more surfers find the " Free stuff" do the 3- minute jerk off and then it's done..simple Your pix are great and big, but not many guys jerk off to pix anymore and they are not going to print them out as posters...plus I can get some of your best pix from FHG's if im a Pic jerker Big videos for your TV...the reason DVDs sales are tanking..only perverts, freaks, loners watch porn on big TVs small hand held devices, computers is all you need to bust a nut..each year goes by and more free cumloads drop on the floor. porn is heading the way of music...Vivid, Wicked, Playboy..ask them about the profit margins..it's why content producers have to hire cheaper bitches or get them to do more scenes and pix vs. the pay. Now in 2010 you don't need to know where the "underground" porn message boards or torrent sites are..you just type in pornhub or free porn and bam..you are jerking off in minutes...done, clean up...off to work, totally free See how that goes on as 2011, 2012 keep eroding that profit.. But Im glad you have an upbeat attitude |
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The margins we made in the past were not realistic. The sooner we all accept that and plan our businesses accordingly the better off we'll be. It's tough to let go, I know :winkwink: |
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thanks for not mentioning my pay sites by name ;)
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$150k...to $50k...$20k..they miss the old days and now have a gun in their mouths and even your numbers would require dropping some personal bills and pleasures and well as shit canning a few workers. Im just trying to see what is the point of this thread...the ONLY thing you can offer in your site that's better then Free Porn..is...REAL PUSSY...so unless you have ho's meeting members this thread makes little to no sense. |
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and the next generation of guys coming up get their 1st taste of porn on the web for FREE...never before could you get FULL scenes sooooo easily w/ out shady underground torrent sites or black market message boards..it's there..it's free...it's done |
I'm going to skip all the other posts in this thread and say...
I've been yelling to anyone who will listen in the adult industry that the vast majority of today's paysites are still what they were 10 years ago (many with the same design); glorified galleries. Not only that, the gallery features on most paysites are a fucking joke and are nowhere even close to what is offered at just the basic level of "gallery" or photo storage anywhere on the web in mainstream. |
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This talk makes me want to try recurring option on Twistycash.com
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