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Tagir 10-18-2022 10:29 PM

Adult affiliate programs that raise the minimum payout so not to pay
 
Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

$100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

caramelcash.com - raised to $500

sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)

kuprum 10-19-2022 12:01 AM

https://www.affiliate-programs.biz/full-list/

fuzebox 10-19-2022 12:37 AM

I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.

Klen 10-19-2022 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23052864)
I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.

Why pain in the ass? Is it so hard to write 50$ in internet banking/paxum/whatever instead 500$ ? Lol

todservices 10-19-2022 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23052864)
I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.

they raise minimum DEFINITELY to avoid paying those affiliates who they KNOW will never reach $300 or $500

Making a $100 payment on Paxum is easy and takes the exact same time as doing a $500 payment

brassmonkey 10-19-2022 01:33 AM

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DVTimes 10-19-2022 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23052841)
Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

$100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

caramelcash.com - raised to $500

sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)

At one point it used to be $50 or even $0.

Some still pay whatever you make.

I have seen one that min was $1000.

Then some will ask for docs to prove who you.

SpicyM 10-19-2022 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by todservices (Post 23052869)
Making a $100 payment on Paxum is easy and takes the exact same time as doing a $500 payment


Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.

Klen 10-19-2022 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 23052895)
Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.

It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

mainstreammix 10-19-2022 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 23052895)
Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.

So much apologizing for complete nonsense. I've paid people 7 days per week before, scripts make that take zero effort.

SpicyM 10-19-2022 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23052896)
It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.


You might be right, haven't used Paxum for years and don't plan to use it again. Wire is much more better and hassle free, despite the cost.

But then dealing with small affiliates with tiny traffic is again time consuming, so that might be the reason why they raise the minimum - to simply deter those not worth the time. A large amount of small affiliates means more time spent answering their questions, more time spent checking their sites if they are legit, more time spent preparing promo content for them... only to find out that they are feasting on my site name in Google search results to promote their cam sponsors and sell traffic while having pirated content on their shitty tubes.

If I had an affiliate program, I would set the minimum to $500 as well.

nikki99 10-19-2022 09:42 AM

see my sig, SMC revenue

brassmonkey 10-19-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 23053008)
see my sig, SMC revenue

they didn't increase anything :helpme:helpme

fuzebox 10-19-2022 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23052896)
It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

I wasn't trying to argue how much time it could take to do small payments, I was correcting the OP that programs are not setting higher minimums for the purpose of stealing dozens of dollars from tiny affiliates.

fuzebox 10-19-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 23052906)
But then dealing with small affiliates with tiny traffic is again time consuming, so that might be the reason why they raise the minimum - to simply deter those not worth the time. A large amount of small affiliates means more time spent answering their questions, more time spent checking their sites if they are legit, more time spent preparing promo content for them... only to find out that they are feasting on my site name in Google search results to promote their cam sponsors and sell traffic while having pirated content on their shitty tubes.

If I had an affiliate program, I would set the minimum to $500 as well.

Exactly :thumbsup :thumbsup

Affiliate programs used to have a level of scale where it made sense to issue a large amount of small payments, and high margins to eat the cost. Nowadays if someone sends 3 sales and demands a $50 payout, they are usually wasting your time.

brassmonkey 10-19-2022 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23053127)
Exactly :thumbsup :thumbsup

Affiliate programs used to have a level of scale where it made sense to issue a large amount of small payments, and high margins to eat the cost. Nowadays if someone sends 3 sales and demands a $50 payout, they are usually wasting your time.

yeah gamma is wasting their time. LOL @ tiny affiliates.

plsureking 10-20-2022 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23052896)
It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

yo Klen! when are you going to add a like button? :winkwink:

a reply isn't always necessary when a like will do lol

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Klen 10-20-2022 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 23053210)
yo Klen! when are you going to add a like button? :winkwink:

a reply isn't always necessary when a like will do lol

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That's not my department :1orglaugh

k0nr4d 10-20-2022 02:41 AM

While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...

Denny 10-20-2022 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23053225)
Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc),

Programs usually charge these fees to the affiliate.

Denny 10-20-2022 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23052896)
It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Klen 10-20-2022 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23053225)
While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...

Get a new accountant, problem solved :1orglaugh So looks like the root of this problem is using overpriced accountants

The Porn Nerd 10-20-2022 06:51 AM

That's why you should only promote CCBill products!
Combine your earnings into a single payout, $50 minimum. :)

Whenever you leave it up to the AP to pay you there's potential for a problem.

plsureking 10-20-2022 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23053211)
That's not my department :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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NatalieK 10-20-2022 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23052864)
I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23052868)
Why pain in the ass? Is it so hard to write 50$ in internet banking/paxum/whatever instead 500$ ? Lol

TBH, not even that kind of hassle, isn´t it computerized?

I think the billing companies have the fault, they up their payment processing costs :2 cents:

NatalieK 10-20-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny (Post 23053230)
Programs usually charge these fees to the affiliate.

i´ve always paid the billing fees as a program, and most programs I am with pay the billing fee, the only fee´s I end up paying is banking fees and not the processing as an affiliate :2 cents:

Denny 10-20-2022 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK (Post 23053284)
i´ve always paid the billing fees as a program, and most programs I am with pay the billing fee, the only fee´s I end up paying is banking fees and not the processing as an affiliate :2 cents:

I don't mean billing fees, I mean fees involved when affiliates get paid by Paxum, bank wire etc.

k0nr4d 10-20-2022 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen (Post 23053236)
Get a new accountant, problem solved :1orglaugh So looks like the root of this problem is using overpriced accountants

What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.

digitalfantasies 10-20-2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23053301)
What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.

But the cost of transaction/wire fees is for the affiliate, right?

If not, I've been screwed for years lol

martinandrews 10-20-2022 12:47 PM

MyFreeSexStore.com affiliate program is 200.00 before a payout.

brassmonkey 10-20-2022 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies (Post 23053396)
But the cost of transaction/wire fees is for the affiliate, right?

If not, I've been screwed for years lol

some of the bigger places dont rip affiliates

fuzebox 10-20-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053191)
yeah gamma is wasting their time.

The largest paysite affiliate program still operating in the industry. Great example. :1orglaugh

brassmonkey 10-20-2022 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23053417)
The largest paysite affiliate program still operating in the industry. Great example. :1orglaugh

they pay when you earn :2 cents::2 cents: no bullshit. your share is your share. no bitching about how small the amount like you don't have a right to claim your money LOL you trippin!

LeRoy 10-20-2022 06:25 PM

Some affiliate programs don't like working with the little guys. They bitch and complain on the boards and this is an example of that. They just want to work with the whale affiliates. Sad but true.

brassmonkey 10-20-2022 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 23053475)
Some affiliate programs don't like working with the little guys. They bitch and complain on the boards and this is an example of that. They just want to work with the whale affiliates. Sad but true.

well let them close the fucking doors. you call it bitching demanding what is owed?? wow

LeRoy 10-20-2022 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053476)
well let them close the fucking doors. you call it bitching demanding what is owed?? wow

They're not my programs. I'm just telling it how it is. I've met with these types of program owners at shows too. You should know me by now monkey.. I'm not the type to sugar coat shit!

AMDWarrior 10-20-2022 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23052841)
Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

$100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

caramelcash.com - raised to $500

sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)




You have no idea what you're talking about..lol

brassmonkey 10-20-2022 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 23053493)
They're not my programs. I'm just telling it how it is. I've met with these types of program owners at shows too. You should know me by now monkey.. I'm not the type to sugar coat shit!

i did not say you sugar coated anything...

LeRoy 10-20-2022 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053502)
i did not say you sugar coated anything...

Ok then stfu! Why bother to respond to me? You know I don't like you. Get to steppin! Go fuck off!

brassmonkey 10-20-2022 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 23053504)
Ok then stfu! Why bother to respond to me? You know I don't like you. Get to steppin! Go fuck off!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh why are you responding? hot tempered as usual

emmasexytime 10-20-2022 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23053225)
While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...

you don't have an affiliate program do you?

Klen 10-21-2022 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 23053301)
What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.

Cost of wire is passed on affiliate so not really a reason for high minimum. Tho in this case i would apply minimum by myself since it would be pointless to pay 50$ fee for a amount less then 500$ .

k0nr4d 10-21-2022 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by emmasexytime (Post 23053521)
you don't have an affiliate program do you?

I'm planning to fire one up soon

Denny 10-21-2022 01:58 AM

Of course it doesn't make sense to have $50 minimum when wire fee is $20-$40. Most programs have different minimum for wire (higher) than for Paxum for example.

LeRoy 10-21-2022 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053512)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh why are you responding? hot tempered as usual

Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?

brassmonkey 10-21-2022 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 23053609)
Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?

that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum :Oh crap :helpme:helpme:helpme

ANAL PASTE 10-21-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 23053609)
Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You nailed it.

ANAL PASTE 10-21-2022 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053618)
that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum :Oh crap :helpme:helpme:helpme

You should open your own affiliate program. www.ClownCash.tk :1orglaugh

LeRoy 10-21-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053618)
that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum :Oh crap :helpme:helpme:helpme

Wrong again monkey! I left my affiliate manager position back in 2015. I'm a sig whoring affiliate just like you only successful ;)

nikki99 10-21-2022 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 23053015)
they didn't increase anything :helpme:helpme

my mistake, I misread :upsidedow


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