US Health Worse Than Nearly All Other Industrialized Countries
 

Yet we spend the most on health care by far...

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Cut down on the childhood vaccines and things start to improve pretty quick :2 cents:

single payer ftw

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:thumbsup For-profit private health insurance inflates our healthcare costs, and sets up a very dangerous situation where these companies have a vested interest in NOT providing coverage. They make money by denying care.

Single payer is the way to go. If people don't like it, I'm sure for-profit insurance companies will be very happy to take a payment from anyone dumb enough to give it to them.

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How can you compare the US to Switzerland?

That's sort of like comparing a pea to a pineapple. I understand these facts and figures are all based on size and percentages, but the bigger the sizes get the more difficult it all becomes. In other words, the Swiss have 8 million people while the US has 315 million. If all the US had to take care of was 8 million people I am guessing the US would have better healthcare too.

here is why:

you pay much more to be cured in the USA that everywhere else in the world.
Here, i could afford to be cured even without the national social welfare, but not in the USA to cure the same thing.
The fact to have a national social welfare system gives us the possiblity to negociate the prices (and even now, it's still expensive and i admit that there is probably different problems with our own system that is far to be perfect).
The problem with the health economy is the fact that you have nearly no competition between different service prodivers on the subject of prices. You cannot compare the prices when you are sick.

That's a good point, but we spend far more per person.
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It's a FUBAR system. Still, it's a system the dumb teabaggers want to keep in place to "preserve freedom" or some such shit. I remember the teabaggers showing up at town hall meetings on healthcere reform - specifically to disrupt them. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...town-halls.php

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Your point would be valid only if in the scenario where US has 8 million people they have the same amount of money they have now with 315 million people. Otherwise, as somebody already posted, you CAN compare just by looking at money spent per person.
And even more - if your point would be valid nobody could compare different countries on anything because they all have different population sizes, lol.

But money spent per person is not a fair comparison either.

You can compare money spent per person, but the larger those numbers get the more administration and oversight costs you have. Then factor in how much the US does in medical development the US does compares to the Swiss and.... You can spin facts and figures until we are blue in the face.

Not defending the US healthcare system at all, but I'm just saying... fun with numbers....

Not sure that's entirely true. There are private labs that will do blood tests, and pharmacies that dispense meds. I've called 2-3 different places when I've needed to. I actually found the cheapest meds by far to be mail-order from Canada (and we have that option).

As for surgeries and stuff like that, I've never had to find out (thank Gawd).

Also, healthcare laws and general landscape change according to the state we live in.

It's a huge clusterfuck - which contributes to overall higher prices.

A national, single-payer system would not be perfect, but it would be a shit-ton better than what we have now - and it would lower costs.

i like homos

It's because of fat Americans and their fat denial.

WTF? :offtopic

Without a doubt, that IS part of the problem.

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All you post is Gun Threads and anti-american threads. Why not just move already? You dont seem to like it in the US. If I disliked where i lived so much, I would just move.

You go on and on about the dumb teabaggers..

The democrats could've passed single payer had they wanted to.

Tell us O' wiseones...why didn't they?

It's all the processed food.

I thought being critical is every persons right. Heck, without people bitching about the system you get countries like north korea etc...all the revolutions start with people being angry about something..

There's more money to be made from sick people than healthy people. The American way.

exactly. not only did the dems not even bother to bring single payer to the floor, it was senator max baucus that killed obamas public option in the finance committee.

people can talk utopia all they want about a gun free world, health care for all, but in the end we have to deal with reality as it stands, AKA no dems support single payer, no dems will ban guns, no dems will cut any spending, ever.

It is his right. I am just saying. If you look at any of his threads. They are all the same. This is an adult webmaster board but all this guy seems to be worried about is gun control. Just a little strange if you ask me. You can go and check his threads and posts if you would like.

This is my opinion. He is aloud to have his.

When you consider the fact that the democrats could've done something good when they had the opportunity and all they could come up with is another way to hurt business and tax the people.

And you are correct, without the closed door deals and arm-twisting the democrats barely got this turd of a bill passed.

Single payer... It was the democrats fault it didn't happen.

GMO food and all other poison shit around people = money for pharmaceutic companies, they want all your cash...

Point well taken. A handful of gutless DINOs fucked that all up. I was disgusted.

And while I was very happy that Obamacare passed and was upheld, there's no denying the corporate welfare aspect of it. :disgust

Perfectly said.

As always, follow the money and see sig

It sure as fuck didn't hurt insurance businesses.

And the GOP? They ALL wanted to keep the disastrous status quo.

of course. it was a sloppy wet kiss to Big Pharma from the get go. The 'get go' being that the plan was originally written by the Heritage Foundation.

yea, hes starting a revolution. right here on gfy.

sorry to be the bearer of bad news. but plenty of people are happy living in America. I for one am. I know that I have rights, I have the capability of doing whatever I want for a living if I truly want to. I know I can get an education if I really want too, and If I have more then 2 kids they wont throw the 3rd in a trash can like they do in China.

True. :(

It's Romneycare. It's better than nothing. Eliminating preexisting conditions, mandating that .85 of every premium dollar be spent on actual care, eliminating co-pays on physicals, eliminating pricing discrimination on women, no-cost birth control, etc.

But yes, the HMOs should have been cut right out of the picture.

The health care thing (like virtually everything else) goes above the silly Dems v Reps argument.

Our elected representatives represent their huge money donors, not we the people.

Single payer FTmf'inW

Dude, it's the "WE'RE #1!" while we're NOT #1 that gets me down.

I'm happy I live in America, too. So how do you think it feels to see an article like the one I linked to?

I guess your answer is to simply not read the article. Outta sight, outta mind.

We're falling far behind in too may areas. If you love America as much as you say, I imagine that fact must bother you.

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As always you have great sigs. I used to work in the BU Medical area, near the Fens, in Boston. It's not about curing. It's about treating and milking. So what you die, there's ten more to replace you. I managed an EH&S office. Whenever a radioactive alarm would go off one of the techs would say something like, "What's a little radioactivity, considering the water we drink."

dumbest fucking thing ive ever read

the swiss spend less per person and have better health care. what are you talking about medical development for? the swiss get BETTER HEALTH CARE. are you saying that the US wastes more money with no results and because of that they have a better system? youre such a fucking idiot something homie, it's ridiculous! that's like saying as a company grows the cost of overhead per item they are manufacturing grows. but it doesn't, it shrinks, dumb ass.

Great post from a voice of experience.

It hasn't been about curing for decades. The AMA wiped their asses with the Hippocratic Oath long ago.

Doesn't matter which corporate shill(s) inhabit(s) the White House or Congress. They're all on the payroll.

I do not come to this board to express my views on politics or education or the current state of america or anything of this nature. It is just not what I am here for. I do that elsewhere.

What I am saying is. This is your agenda. Why are you discussing this on a porn webmaster board all the time. Why is this ALL you talk about here.

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I think there is 1 thread in there that is not about politics or about gun control.

If you are truely looking to get your point heard. I do not believe you are doing in the right place.

The first study? The rest of the world already knew this, and we don't actually give a fuck. Who cares? If you don't like what you have, move somewhere else. Stop crying like a little bitch.

And ObamaCare and DoleCare and HeritageFoundationCare.

In other words, just another hot blowjob for big business.

(not directed at you Grant, but) Hope and Change was just another slogan from just another politician. Obama's about as radical as chocolate chip ice cream.

Colossally dumb statement. What's the problem with advocating for change in your own country?

well, put it simple: a health care system based on PROFIT will serve only one purpose - PROFIT! fuck the payers and the ill, MONEY is all the want - a cure is 3rd row interest then. its funny, it works almost all over the world, but in the USA - not ... how come? ah yes, socialized healthcare is communism ... mwahahahaha

Well said, then it gets more scary when the 'Cure' becomes the 'Poison' :thumbsup

america is like religion to some americans :1orglaugh

no matter how deep the government fucks them, americans will always find justification

prices in my country with medicare now privatized:

dentist average bill =20$
blood test =20-100$ (100$ gets you everything from hormones to STD-s not just the regular stuff)
specialist check up=5-10$ maybe 50$ for a fancy plastic surgeon but you would have to be an idiot
MRI or CAT scan= 20$
hospital day=5-10$ the food sucks but you can get your own...

a relative of mine recently paid 2000$ for complicated surgery to the head, this is really a very high figure...

you guys seem to have i-healthcare :1orglaugh

You only forget the 60% TAX you have to pay every month lol

Thanks for all the valuable feedback. I'll take it into consideration.

You know who cares, dipshit? All the people who had to declare bankruptcies because they got sick (and the majority of them HAD health insurance).

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Right on. But some of our fellow Americans that think there is never a situation where the pursuit of profit can be a negative thing. It's like making money is a sacred act to which all other things must take a back seat. And if some people have to die, or go bankrupt, oh well (they'll tell you that the patients should have taken better care of themselves, anyway).

Thankfully, people who think this way seem to be in the minority.

Until govt. got heavily involved over the past couple of decades there was no "system".

In the 1970's and 1980's when I went to the doctor, I paid in cash. No problems.

Then suddenly everybody had to have insurance. Started hearing about "HMO"s that were going to lower our costs. And our health costs as a nation went through the roof.

Pres. Obama didn't help matters when the first thing he did was go behind closed doors when creating Obama-Care (remember, he promised in his 2008 campaign to make it totally transparent to the American people and even televise it on C-SPAN) and cut a deal with big Pharma to keep prices over-inflated for all prescription drugs in the U.S.
(if you don't believe me, just go out of the country and buy the same exact medication and you will be SHOCKED)

So now Baby Jesus Obama has given those insurance companies the greatest gift of all times. EVERYBODY has to buy it.

I wish he would enact Obama-Porn and force everyone to buy porn. lol

The insurance companies now get richer. The pharmaceutical companies now get richer. And the actual price of going to the doctor doesn't really change at all.
Maybe your insurance costs MIGHT go down (mine have only gone up and up in anticipation of the full implementation of Obama-Care in 2014), but the actual costs of everything was NOT addressed.

We are getting screwed over BIG time.

There is no reason that we should have to pay 300 and 400% MORE than other countries do for the same exact procedures and medication.

It's a scam that has been going on for a couple of decades and is cemented in stone now with Obama-Care.

I agree that it's a corporate giveaway. I wanted single-payer.

Still, it's an improvement from the perspective of the patient.

Everyone covered - even the poor. Nobody will go bankrupt and lose their house just because they become seriously ill.
Pre-existing conditions eliminated - they have to take everyone (even the medical losses.)
85% of premiums must be used for care and nothing else.
No-cost preventative yearly exams - to identify problems before they become unmanageable.
No-cost contraception.
No pricing discrimination based on gender.

It's not all bad.

But your point is well taken.