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cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:18 AM

Conspiracy Theory: WIKILEAKS
 
Okay so I have been thinking about this. These guys are supposed to be some l337 hackers and they hosted on AMAZON? You have to be kidding me.

I do believe that is a smoking gun, from my webmaster POV. There is way more to this than anyone is seeing that is for sure.

I now have a hard time believing these Julian guys are for real. Amazon? Really? :1orglaugh

someone please tell me what I am missing here.... :1orglaugh

cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:19 AM

from amazon:

Quote:

There have been reports that a government inquiry prompted us not to serve WikiLeaks any longer. That is inaccurate.

There have also been reports that it was prompted by massive DDOS attacks. That too is inaccurate. There were indeed large-scale DDOS attacks, but they were successfully defended against.

Amazon Web Services (AWS) rents computer infrastructure on a self-service basis. AWS does not pre-screen its customers, but it does have terms of service that must be followed. WikiLeaks was not following them. There were several parts they were violating. For example, our terms of service state that ?you represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content? that use of the content you supply does not violate this policy and will not cause injury to any person or entity.? It?s clear that WikiLeaks doesn?t own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content. Further, it is not credible that the extraordinary volume of 250,000 classified documents that WikiLeaks is publishing could have been carefully redacted in such a way as to ensure that they weren?t putting innocent people in jeopardy. Human rights organizations have in fact written to WikiLeaks asking them to exercise caution and not release the names or identities of human rights defenders who might be persecuted by their governments.

We?ve been running AWS for over four years and have hundreds of thousands of customers storing all kinds of data on AWS. Some of this data is controversial, and that?s perfectly fine. But, when companies or people go about securing and storing large quantities of data that isn?t rightfully theirs, and publishing this data without ensuring it won?t injure others, it?s a violation of our terms of service, and folks need to go operate elsewhere.

We look forward to continuing to serve our AWS customers and are excited about several new things we have coming your way in the next few months.

? Amazon Web Services
http://aws.amazon.com/message/65348/

seeandsee 12-03-2010 09:30 AM

first hosting, now domain name, what is next?

Dirty Dane 12-03-2010 09:34 AM

They are placed on different jurisdictions to "test their commitment to freedom of speech". he says.

Alky 12-03-2010 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17746194)
Okay so I have been thinking about this. These guys are supposed to be some l337 hackers and they hosted on AMAZON? You have to be kidding me.

I do believe that is a smoking gun, from my webmaster POV. There is way more to this than anyone is seeing that is for sure.

I now have a hard time believing these Julian guys are for real. Amazon? Really? :1orglaugh

someone please tell me what I am missing here.... :1orglaugh

Why is hosting on Amazon/EC2 funny?

cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:39 AM

Okay I am still thinking about this. Maybe they did it on purpose for the media attention while having alternative options. :1orglaugh

trevesty 12-03-2010 09:40 AM

I know of a lot of pretty um.. "big time" webmasters who host on Amazon's service.. not really sure why it's "funny"..


but, if they were super "l337"(unless trying to prove a point), they'd be harder to "track" than most web site owners.

they're trying to prove a point, though.. clear as day. ;)

jerryb 12-03-2010 09:43 AM

Anyone think maybe, just maybe, George Soros is somewhere in the background of all of this Wiki crap.

My guess is YES ... time will tell. :2 cents:

MetaMan 12-03-2010 09:45 AM

Your best argument for a conspiracy theory is where something is hosted? /facepalm

JFK 12-03-2010 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryb (Post 17746262)
Anyone think maybe, just maybe, George Soros is somewhere in the background of all of this Wiki crap.

My guess is YES ... time will tell. :2 cents:

George Soros, king of the world:thumbsup

Kiopa_Matt 12-03-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryb (Post 17746262)
Anyone think maybe, just maybe, George Soros is somewhere in the background of all of this Wiki crap.

My guess is YES ... time will tell. :2 cents:

Did Glenn Beck tell you that? His little puppet show he had going sure was cool, wasn't it?

cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17746266)
Your best argument for a conspiracy theory is where something is hosted? /facepalm

Best argument? I just started to thinking about it and made a thread in a matter of seconds. You know, to discuss such thoughts? :winkwink:

Nobody is even arguing yo. :)

cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:52 AM

I want to believe it is all real, what we are seeing, but it is rather difficult.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 17746252)
I know of a lot of pretty um.. "big time" webmasters who host on Amazon's service.. not really sure why it's "funny"..


but, if they were super "l337"(unless trying to prove a point), they'd be harder to "track" than most web site owners.

Nothing to do with who hosts there or not, it is a pretty big profile company to host a site like that on.

It wouldn't take a genius to realize that once it came out that amazon, the biggest retailer on the net, was hosting them that they would probably stop. Interrupt their service. If they hosted somewhere else, um AWAY from the US, that would make more sense.

My guess is they did it on purpose for more media attention once amazon picked their side. Fat chance amazon was going to stand by WL and keep hosting them.

It's only LOGIC. As a webmaster I firmly believe it was either done for a reason or this whole thing is fake and someone made a stupid hosting choice. :1orglaugh

sarettah 12-03-2010 10:02 AM

I have been having the same suspension of belief type moments.

From my experience, when someone leaks classified material for real the government usually shuts up with the only public comment being "no comment".

Whenever it is wikileaks, they all go apeshit.

Seems like much too attention being given it to it publically, almost as if someone wants our attention diverted.

So, it makes me wonder what is going on with the left hand while we are fixated on the right.

But that would be conspiracy type thinking I guess. No way our government would lie or purposely create misinformation. nah.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 10:03 AM

I mean come on, webmasters here...

Do you put up a site with questionable content and just not care where you host it? I know I don't. There are lots of options.

It's like opening a porn company account at Bank of America. If you know BofA and adult sooner or later they will close you down.

The people behind this WL aren't that dumb...?

CDSmith 12-03-2010 10:12 AM

There are things going on in the world I tell you, unkown things, FRIGHTENING things. All I can tell everyone is it's going to all turn out okay.

Well, until Dec. 2012 that is. Then most of us are doomed. :D

Amputate Your Head 12-03-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 17746346)
Well, until Dec. 2012 that is. Then most of us are doomed. :D

we're already doomed.

Agent 488 12-03-2010 10:16 AM

they have hosts all over the world. amazon was one of them. other locations:

http://boingboing.net/2010/11/29/wik...sp-nuclea.html

The Sultan Of Smut 12-03-2010 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17746194)
Okay so I have been thinking about this. These guys are supposed to be some l337 hackers and they hosted on AMAZON? You have to be kidding me.

I do believe that is a smoking gun, from my webmaster POV. There is way more to this than anyone is seeing that is for sure.

I now have a hard time believing these Julian guys are for real. Amazon? Really? :1orglaugh

someone please tell me what I am missing here.... :1orglaugh

http://arstechnica.com/security/news...ssive-ddos.ars

Brujah 12-03-2010 10:37 AM

Definitely Soros, the puppet master. He is pulling the strings for his masters, the Rothschilds, blood-drinking shape-shifting reptilian aliens.

DVTimes 12-03-2010 10:41 AM

http://www.clownx.com/?p=131380/

czarina 12-03-2010 10:42 AM

they're down again anyway

cherrylula 12-03-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut (Post 17746376)

ah thank you for that.

But still. Like these guys who aren't even American, basically at cyber war with the USA, and they're just going to host on American servers.

Which one of them gave their credit card and personal info to Amazon when they signed up? lol

Not to mention, they actually connected their computers to amazon's boxes via ftp?? I guarantee that ANY and all info they gave to amazon has been turned over to the Feds. It is an American company.

There is way more to this than any of us will ever know.

Agent 488 12-03-2010 10:45 AM

i backed them up on my dreamhost account will let you know the address when i'm done.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17746426)
i backed them up on my dreamhost account will let you know the address when i'm done.

hell yeah that's what I am talking about... :1orglaugh

Fletch XXX 12-03-2010 10:49 AM

i havent even really been following this stuff... lol

being away from computer for oil spill made me so dissasociated from politics its crazy. i dont care who hillary is blowing or what country israel is at war with anymore.

lol focused on me right now. fuck the world and i mean that shit. aint gonna fix US gov, you aint gonna fix america, you aint gonna stop oil spills, or save the earth ...the world will be full of hate and death long after you and me gone, I wont waste another moment of my life worried about foreign affairs and US politics, its just not worth it.

Kiopa_Matt 12-03-2010 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17746414)
they're down again anyway

Back online.

http://wikileaks.de/
http://wikileaks.nl/
http://wikileaks.fi/

Amputate Your Head 12-03-2010 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17746437)
i havent even really been following this stuff... lol

being away from computer for oil spill made me so dissasociated from politics its crazy. i dont care who hillary is blowing or what country israel is at war with anymore.

lol focused on me right now. fuck the world and i mean that shit. aint gonna fix US gov, you aint gonna fix america, you aint gonna stop oil spills, or save the earth ...the world will be full of hate and death long after you and me gone, I wont waste another moment of my life worried about foreign affairs and US politics, its just not worth it.

this.


i'm only concerned with gathering intel for my own survival.
fuck the rest of the world. :2 cents:

MetaMan 12-03-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17746437)
i havent even really been following this stuff... lol

being away from computer for oil spill made me so dissasociated from politics its crazy. i dont care who hillary is blowing or what country israel is at war with anymore.

lol focused on me right now. fuck the world and i mean that shit. aint gonna fix US gov, you aint gonna fix america, you aint gonna stop oil spills, or save the earth ...the world will be full of hate and death long after you and me gone, I wont waste another moment of my life worried about foreign affairs and US politics, its just not worth it.

you are already doing what most americans do and that is why your country is collapsing.

so good for you, you are being "American".

it is the "American" way to only care about yourself. The rest of the world cares, just not most Americans. and that is why when you collapse you can remember this thread.

you do not care, but when your voice is turned into a voice of weakness. just remember when no one is listening it is because of people like yourself.

sinclair 12-03-2010 12:21 PM

We use diplomats as spies and China doesnt like N. Korea? Realllly. You dont say.

Let me know when the release something with substance.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17746460)
you are already doing what most americans do and that is why your country is collapsing.

so good for you, you are being "American".

it is the "American" way to only care about yourself. The rest of the world cares, just not most Americans. and that is why when you collapse you can remember this thread.

you do not care, but when your voice is turned into a voice of weakness. just remember when no one is listening it is because of people like yourself.

Believe it or not, most Americans don't care about this issue.

And it will have zero affect on their lives. Sorry Canada, but the US isn't about to collapse. We have it pretty good, actually. That's why so many just don't really care.

I find it quite amusing though. I love media, propoganda, and the internet. This wikileaks drama is like porn for me. :1orglaugh

cherrylula 12-03-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinclair (Post 17746787)
We use diplomats as spies and China doesnt like N. Korea? Realllly. You dont say.

Let me know when the release something with substance.

That's what I'm saying! It's all DRAMA and nonsense.

This is the finest propaganda ever.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 01:24 PM

okay I just read something that answers what I was wondering:

Quote:

Julian Assange:
Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.
from this interview: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...ange-wikileaks

Agent 488 12-03-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17746955)
okay I just read something that answers what I was wondering:



from this interview: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...ange-wikileaks

clever of them.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 17746321)
I have been having the same suspension of belief type moments.

From my experience, when someone leaks classified material for real the government usually shuts up with the only public comment being "no comment".

Whenever it is wikileaks, they all go apeshit.

Seems like much too attention being given it to it publically, almost as if someone wants our attention diverted.

So, it makes me wonder what is going on with the left hand while we are fixated on the right.

But that would be conspiracy type thinking I guess. No way our government would lie or purposely create misinformation. nah.

Exactly. The way they have Hillary Clinton scrambling around over this is like their confirming that these leaks are the real thing, and the government usually doesn't work that way. It is odd.

I just started paying attention to this shit too, I kept seeing it, and seeing it, and people on FB started talking about it so I looked. Really, it wasn't like some info was leaked that I saw in a headline that was startling enough to catch my attention. But the media is like pounding this issue and the site is up and down and moves, it has gotten more and more exciting. lol

So now I am like, is this dude going to get caught? Killed? It has turned into a reality thing I am following now. LOL But it really isn't like the actual leaks are that exciting at all. It is all the drama involved, and the comics about it are great too. :1orglaugh

cherrylula 12-03-2010 01:32 PM

Simple concept right, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. The government and political response to this whole thing is like a troll buffet. :1orglaugh

Fletch XXX 12-03-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17746452)
this.


i'm only concerned with gathering intel for my own survival.
fuck the rest of the world. :2 cents:

this wikileaks shit is boring *yawn* :thumbsup

Hermes 12-03-2010 03:11 PM

I haven't heard that "these guys are supposed to be some l337 hackers", most of their leaks come from outside sources. Also they moved to Amazon's server actually Because of hack.

Well and the news go on.. latest ones talk about UFOs: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491489...s_in_security/

Fletch XXX 12-03-2010 03:14 PM

Quote:

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said on Friday that there were some references to UFOs in "yet-to-be-published" confidential files obtained from the U.S. government.
gov prolly has millions of documents referencing ufos lol no big secret anymore.

Agent 488 12-03-2010 03:14 PM

assange was an elite hacker.

cherrylula 12-03-2010 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermes (Post 17747278)
I haven't heard that "these guys are supposed to be some l337 hackers"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Hacking

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/17389/238944

Now you have. :)

woj 12-03-2010 06:04 PM

How do they make $$? or is their motive purely altruistic..

brandonstills 12-03-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 17746229)
first hosting, now domain name, what is next?

Your life.


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