Scary: "All internet porn will be blocked to protect children, under UK government plan"
 

Think sales are bad now? :helpme

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225973481287

Oh shit, no more pornbeer!
:Oh crap

it is very serious problems

redirect all uk traffic to teeth whiteners and dental products.

adapt or die.

http://www.intmensorg.info/images/bigbrocam.jpg

http://www.liberal-vision.org/wp-con...ig-brother.jpg

why has britain become such a big brother nanny state?

Thank god I finally stopped selling to children. Their quarters were really weighing down the ole merchant account anyway.

How about parents stop using the computer, tv, etc as a babysitter instead of fucking with perfectly LEGAL web content.

this is friggen stupid in so many direction and this is not news it has been tried before 2cents

Is it really that hard for people setting up their internet to ask their ISP "Oh hey, don't turn on the adult block, ok thnx" or to call and ask "Could you turn off my adult content block?" It doesn't sound like they are censoring anything really, just restricting it's access to those of legal age. I don't see any mention of them charging for access, or restricting use. It's essentially like setting up the parental restrictions on your television. Seems to me like they're looking for a solution to keep kids away from hardcore porn. As long as thats what it sticks to, I don't see any issue with it...

I'm all for the support free speech and so forth, but this one seems like kind of a stupid argument to me. Why would you even argue something that keeps porn out of the hands of children? The fall back onto "it's parent's responsibility, yadda yadda" STFU. You're putting the content out there, so you shoulder some of the responsibility too. You can't just throw a bunch of shit out there and then deny any responsibility for it.

It's a little like saying "don't blame the drug dealer, it's the parents responsibility to keep his kid of meth". If anything you should NOT want kids on your sites. All they're doing is burning up your bandwidth without offering a potential sale. Adults who want adult content will simply have it unlocked.

I stand by my opinion that if anything this will help sales. When do most people learn to steal free porn online? Before they're of legal age. Restrict their supply of free internet porn until they are of legal age to get their own connection and I almost guarantee you see a rise in sales from the younger generation, without them having that few years of learning to steal all the porn they want when they can't legally purchase. Sure, you'll still have a handful of tech savvy kids who find a way to get a little bit of free porn, but it wouldn't be the god damn free for all it is now.

huh!! that' bad :(

Got to agree with Cat.

The status quo is too much unrestricted supply of free porn with no age veryfication whatsoever. = no sales.

Restrict the supply and demand (and price) will rise.

The argument that the isp'd are unable to do this is also nonsense. They are perfectly able to do this.

because the people let the state take over...
All in the name of redistributing wealth... in the name of safety... in the name of the environment ... in the name of protection the children... in the name of solidarity... in the name of fighting terrorism...

quote of the day:
Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.
-- Louis Brandeis, in Olmstead v. United States (1928)

It will be interesting to see what the world will look like in 50 years.
There will certainly be an underground movement forming by then.

Like Ludwig von Mises said, tyrannical rulers or governments are eventually always overthrown by the people.

The division of power between the people and the ruling class has never been this far out of balance in all of history. A couple hundred years ago, the people and the government came to the battlegrounds with the same firepower. It was a matter of who had the most muskets, swords, and bodies to throw at the enemy. Nowadays that is all done for. You're not going to find the people's army with RF controlled smart ammunition, f22 raptors, spy satellites, and the ability to tap the entire communications network, etc etc.

The same technology that is blowing up little brown kids all over the world, works just as well for blowing up domestic citizens on their home soil if need be...

Coles Notes: The people are fucked. :2 cents:

Human creativity will find a way....

If they tap the entire com network, stop using it...

Australia is next in line except no opt-out option.

This is what REALLY annoys me:

How about parents take responsibility for raising their own children and stop demanding the country do it for them!

How dare they limit my personal freedoms to "possibly" prevent their child from viewing something they shouldn't? If you don't want your child viewing porn, make the protections opt-in, or install any one of the many programs out there. Or how about taking that PC out of their room?

Seriously, this makes me absolutely furious!

I SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO CHANGE MY LIFE TO DO YOUR PARENTING FOR YOU! :mad:

BUT PARENTS SHOULD CHANGE THEIR LIVES TO ACCOMMODATE YOURS???

Silly faggot...

Why is it that the parents should be 100% responsible for guarding their children from the content YOU are flooding the internet with? It's your content, man the fuck up and take some responsibility for your actions. The bunch of you screaming for parents to have to deal with this are as guilty for displacing responsibility as bad parents are. How many of you don't even fly an 18+ adult warning on your sites? Let alone any type of gateway? Offer full nudity and hardcore penetration right on the tour? Parents should have to take time out their already crammed schedules to constantly monitor their kids computer use, because YOU are pumping porn across the net to the masses?

You scream out against this censorship, yet you do nothing regulate or stop children from accessing your content yourselves? You call for someone else to take responsibility, yet you take none yourselves. Like it or not, you're a part of the situation too. This industry is reckless and irresponsible as fuck. It can't manage or regulate itself, and that fact has become the cornerstone for it's own failure.

Beyond that, it's the point on which the government will pass actual censors that do encroach upon freedom of speech. The situation in Australia, is much more dire than this. That is ACTUAL censorship. This is nothing more than enforcing parental ratings. if the industry could manage even a slight bit of common sense and do something to regulate itself a, you wouldn't be seeing shit like this.

A bunch of irresponsible pornographers, yelling at parents for being irresponsible. Har har har.... :error

wanna know why governments are allowed to do shit like this?

Here's a dirty little secret that should be obvious to everyone.

PEOPLE LOVE AUTHORITY.

if they didn't many more people would be seriously advocating to dismantle it.

Masochists, the lot of 'em. :1orglaugh

Frankly every kid of our generation is growing up watching porn... even the hard shit is out there in high quality at the click of a button. Was bound to happen if this industry dosen't start self-regulating.

As far as free speach is concerned, the adult industry is the weakest link, who knows what it will be in the end.

I remember a senate hearimg about 5 yrs ago. A senator told a porn industry lawyer in a hearing. Your industry better start self regulating or we will do it for you. Porn was never meant to be out in the open in peoples faces. For years it survived because it was sold behind blackened windows or under the counter and good luck to get even a glimpse of it if you were under 18.

Bollox, total complete bollox.

I don't want my 9 year old to stumble across pictures of your boyfriend fucking you up the ass, or him coming all over your face.

I don't want her stumbling across a picture of Britney Spears showing her pussy either as she searches for pictures of her.

It's the same as saying I don't want her moan down by a drunken driver IMO.

Yes I take responsibility and have software on her computer, like I take responsibility in teaching her how to cross the road. But I expect my Government to also share in the responsibility. By making it harder for her to find porn or get knocked down by a drunk.

I don't expect either measures to be 101%. But I expect Governments to try to help.

All you're really interested in is it might harm your income.

As for your income. Imagine a world where there's no porn on the Internet. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

For the business that would be the greatest thing ever. It would turn the clock back to 1995. Even better than pre 1995. It would be the biggest boom time for the porn industry ever. People would have to go to a shop to buy porn.

Are youe worried you couldn't make a living without the Adult Internet? Adapt or DIE!!!

Governments will wake up to the fact that the Internet has to be controlled. Too much money not going into their coffers is just one reason.

Angry Jew Cat is serving up the wisdom

:thumbsup

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exactly what i was thinking.

welcome to the global police state. :2 cents:

It took me 2 clicks from searching "porn" on google to land on this...

http://video.xnxx.com/video20102/fisting_midget

No 18+ warnings to be seen anywhere. No gateway. No attempt to verify age.

45.5 million estimated global searches daily for "porn" on Google alone. How many of those very general "porn" searches do you think are curious teens, or preteens even? Curious kids who have a rough idea what porn is, know it is on the internet, and know how to search the net.

One curious search and your little angel is watching a midget with a buzz cut take two cocks while she fists some worn out old whore. Decent quality video, streams fast, nothing stopping them. All in a span of about 20 seconds...

Those of you who don't see some issue with that have spent far too much time jacking off and not enough thinking. And laying all the blame on the parents is one cheap fucking cop out on your part...

In an effort to stay competitive and increase sales, and eliminate the risk of including one extra click between a simple search and this http://serious-films.com/. The industry couldn't help itself and flooded the net with "sample" content. Free porn everywhere online now. People throw numbers around like 300 million+ indexed pages of pornography in the search engines?

The internet has become a massive part of our lives, web enabled fucking everything. It's this type of blatant in your face waving it in the wind shit that is bringing this on to the industry. It can't regulate itself and in a long series of cheap ditch efforts to outdo the competition for traffic, and then dwindling sales, everyone has pushed this to the point of implosion.

I was definitely not the first to take the side of censorship in this argument. I first saw someone bring up the point here a few moths back. Whoever it was, I agree 100% with them. It may have even bee Markham. But somewhere along the line, the porn overload of the internet, killed the tease factor. When you go to the dirty magazine rack at the gas station, you don't see midgets getting fisted within 20 seconds of peaking at the covers. You don't even see a nipple. Before the internet, people bought porn because they fed into the tease factor. There is no tease now, you can find whatever you want instantly...

So why do you need to pay for that?

Personally I say censor the ever living FUCK out online porn. Make it so anything so much as a bare fucking nipple outside of an age verified area is illegal. You want to see the days when porn sold itself come back? That's how you'll get it.

The porn industry is screaming for freedom of speech and against censorship. Hell, the porn industry should be lobbying the government FOR censorship... :2 cents:

Hate to break away from the grain of my general fuck-the-man attitude, but this is a point I agree on. I don't see anyone there saying that you can't make or sell porn, just that you can't openly wave it in the faces of the underage. Consider the implications of this beyond the dark apocalypse...

well to me the implications = a system of control. (censorship)

once this one is in place, it will be very easy to censor everything else they choose.

to me, that is the bigger issue with this. Not the loss of a few sales.

kids shouldn't be on the internet anyway without parent's knowing what they are doing.

get real. facebook and myspace are more dangerous to children as they will come across pervs, post racy pics etc.

i came across shocking porn shit as a kid as well. big deal.

if seeing as crazy porn video has traumatized you maybe should pack it in because if you can't handle that you are not going to reality.

it also plays into the christian body and pleasure hating bias in our society where one has to be blocked from seeing a boob but can hack bodies all day in violent video games. if you think that is normal you need some self-healing and self-knowledge.

q f t

And to think...

England was once ruled by stout hearted men who feared nothing and presided over an empire upon which the sun never set.

And now...

Hand wringing old ladies who tremble at the thought of naughty pictures on the interweb have inherited the realm.

What went wrong???

this will be not good

Just remember one thing. To have to ASK to have porn allowed is to admit that they look at porn.

now that is VERY scary!

And you can bet your bippy that one way or another wifey will learn of such when she sees the monthly statement.

That is, after all, the clear intent of this silly law.

yes, the point of this shit is now to protect children but to shame adults about sexuality.

i hope people can see that.

politicians could give a shit about children, otherwise they wouldn't continue to drive public schools into the ground, which in reality does fuck them up. more than coming across pornhub does. get real.

Well that doesn't matter if any control on the ability to wave porn in anyones face impedes on someones freedom to make money. :1orglaugh

As said before, this would be the best thing to happen to the porn market. Free porn reduced to such levels where it's not worth worrying about. People getting back into the habit of paying for porn again. The possibilities are endless.

For years people have said "So and So porn company couldn't adapt to online porn."

Are they now scared they can't adapt to a offline porn?

The UK has a law that tries to regulate sales of porn videos to minors. The Video Recording Act or 1984. They stipulated that R18 videos could only be sold in licensed sex shops.

Should they just give up on a law or adapt it to modern times?

you see problems, i see opportunities. Big ones

Thus an industry cycle of retards continues. Any other industry would roll with the government. Alcohol, tobacco, firearms. They loby the fuck out of the government, back the right causes, and play the system. Not porn though, the porn industry is too busy chasing eachother tails trying to poke their little pink tips in one anothers assholes. Where is the porn lobby? They should be flying the "protect the children flag" louder and harder than ayoe else. Press the government to enact laws that are in their favor, all under the guise of child protection. Close up the open distribution of adult content. Put it under lock and key so to speak.

Had the industry done something prior to regulate the flow of content online, we wouldn't be faced with this situation where the ball is in the government's court. The warnings were there, still nobody can seem to see more than 6 months ahead in this game. Nont only did the idustry not take any initiative, it largely moved in the opposite direction making porn more freely open and easily accessible. This industry dug it's own hole so to speak. If you'd like to look at this as a sign of doom, you can blame the very industry you work in and yourself for bringing us to this point. For it will be the gateway which opens pandora's box, and we're all a little bit responsible for taking part in it.

I for one don't see this particular initiative as it stands as a threat. It's simply the enforcement of existing law, because we as distributors couldn't manage to keep up on our end of the bargain. The industry should back this and ensure that is in what it is promised, and it will be best for everyone. It's not too late, but to continue fighting it is a sure way to open the gates to true outright censorship. In any other medium, you don't see open porn access like this for anyone of any age. Why should the internet be any different? You don't see free channels blasting porn at primetime on your local cable now do you? They aren't threatening to blacklist sites, only restrict the viewers by age to age appropriate pages. it actually makes perfect sense.

If you think you're doing some sort of good in fighting this, you're wrong. By fighting all online regulation, you only invite more censorship. The internet is not what it was yesterday, and it won't be what it is today by tomorrow. Reasonable legal concessions need to be made. This one is perfectly acceptable. They aren't telling you what you can and can't read or watch, they're telling 12 year olds they can't watch some chick get gangrailed in the ass. If you want to see some chick getting her ass hammered, it seems to me that you'd still be more than welcome to with no more restriction than a call to your service provider.

If the only reasonable argument you can come up with against this is "it threatens the free speech of the internet" it only shows how narrow your perception of the situation is. The fight against this type of reasonable agreement is more of a threat to the true free speech issues...

"You have to be 18 to view porn pages on the internet" is a long stretch from "we're blacklisting and banning whatever sites we find inappropriate", which is exactly what you'll get if some reasonable amends is not met for the restriction of adult content.

so what should have the industry done? put up an 18 age verification page? every kid the world knows to hit "yes i am 18."

and paul before you think this is going to be a time machine back to plastic bag porn and beta tapes so you can sell your ancient content, all it will do is create an opportunity to sell easy to use proxies and vpns tailored for the uk porn market.

Someone I know has a T-mobile USB Dongle. It came brand new with content restrictions that she had to phone up and get unblocked. Same thing really.

They have been restricting and censoring porn waaay before the net and it wasnt the end of free speech.

Why the fuck would anyone buy a VPN when they can call their ISP and say "Hey, turn the adult block off" for free?

What should the industry do? Stop pumping out tons of free promo content, or start heavily censoring their own free promo content. Cut the nudity from the tour pages, keep all the good stuff behind the join page. Soon enough the same old content that's been floating around will grow stale, as quality increases and the new content is only made available via secure channels.

No way in hell the industry will come together and do that though. So the government is going to have to do it for them. The industry was warned. We can all see the way things are moving, and instead of \censoring itself in a favorable way, the industry has flung shit in the face of those calling for their own censorship and pushed it to the breaking point.

I actually don't think what they propose, as it is proposed that is, is a bad system at all really. All they'd have to do is crawl the pages, tag what's deemed adult, and put an on/off switch on it at the user account level. It's like having a built in version of net nanny that you have you the choice to opt-out of should you wish too.

The savvy kids will find their way around, but let's face it, most of them are dumb as fuck. Cut the easy route and what the most of them are left with is the option to pay once they are of age. Hell, make it hard for them to get porn online until they are 18 and I'd damn near bet you that they are itching to get their own connection and signup for their first membership once they're old enough.

go run naked on the streets if that won't get you in trouble engage in sexual intercourse in public, see how far that will get you in expressing your freedoms. point is: internet is a public place and with that, some ethics and restrictions should apply just like in real world.

Exactly, I don't see anyone anywhere saying "hey you can't watch porn on the internet", just saying "If you want to watch porn on your PC, opt out of the blocks, and the responsibility for who views the content is on you." The use of the word "banned" in the title is pretty sensational. Nothing is getting banned.