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Vendzilla 01-18-2011 11:18 AM

Obama did what?
 
President Obama is making another move to the political center, ordering a review of government regulations and pledging to eliminate those that cost jobs or simply don't work

In the piece, Obama said government has tried to balance free enterprise with protections for the public, but some regulations have wound up putting "unreasonable burdens on business -- burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs."

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...at-cost-jobs/1

Looks like Obama is taking from the Clinton playbook, he lost his power with the house and senate and to stay in office for a second term, he'll have to make some changes.
If he can get rid of some of the regulations that have hurt business.

I hope he follows thru, that would be interesting, but I think if something was done with the healthcare law, that would make any run against him in 2012 impossible

Mutt 01-18-2011 11:26 AM

very much like Clinton, he's got a big ego and is very competitive - he will do what he has to do to avoid being a one term president. and he can rationalize it easily to himself and his big job will be to rationalize it to the electorate, which he is very capable of doing.

he will win in 2012, the country would have to remain in a deep depression for him to lose to the likes of what the Republicans will offer up as his competition.

Tom_PM 01-18-2011 11:29 AM

Or maybe he actually believes what he says. Your guess is as good as mine.

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17852826)
very much like Clinton, he's got a big ego and is very competitive - he will do what he has to do to avoid being a one term president. and he can rationalize it easily to himself and his big job will be to rationalize it to the electorate, which he is very capable of doing.

he will win in 2012, the country would have to remain in a deep depression for him to lose to the likes of what the Republicans will offer up as his competition.

If regulations are eased up on and if they lessen the burden of healthcare on small business and not try to add more taxes for fixing the governments fuck ups. Yeah, he's got a good chance. But if he won't budge on healthcare , then I don't think the economy will do as good and that will lessen his chance

_Richard_ 01-18-2011 11:33 AM

curious direction, isn't deregulation part of the reason all this went down?

TheDoc 01-18-2011 11:34 AM

Sweet... another campaign promise that Obama is trying to live up to.

PR_Glen 01-18-2011 11:36 AM

I think it will have more to do with who they get to run against him that will decide it.. who's the leading option for repubs these days? Can't be Palin anymore...

TheDoc 01-18-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17852855)
curious direction, isn't deregulation part of the reason all this went down?

Na, they didn't really dereg anything, They just swapped out some regs for new ones.

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17852855)
curious direction, isn't deregulation part of the reason all this went down?

More than just that

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17852859)
Sweet... another campaign promise that Obama is trying to live up to.

I don't think about his promises, too many and so many fails

But this I have hope for

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17852862)
I think it will have more to do with who they get to run against him that will decide it.. who's the leading option for repubs these days? Can't be Palin anymore...

She's the number one target of the whinny extreme left, so I wouldn't count her out.

theking 01-18-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17852800)
President Obama is making another move to the political center, ordering a review of government regulations and pledging to eliminate those that cost jobs or simply don't work

In the piece, Obama said government has tried to balance free enterprise with protections for the public, but some regulations have wound up putting "unreasonable burdens on business -- burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs."

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...at-cost-jobs/1

Looks like Obama is taking from the Clinton playbook, he lost his power with the house and senate and to stay in office for a second term, he'll have to make some changes.
If he can get rid of some of the regulations that have hurt business.

I hope he follows thru, that would be interesting, but I think if something was done with the healthcare law, that would make any run against him in 2012 impossible

Many of the regulations are EPA and OSHA related and may need to be reviewed...but I certainly hope that most remain intact...even though they do effect business growth thus jobs...as well as making it more difficult to compete in cost with much of the world.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17852868)
More than just that



I don't think about his promises, too many and so many fails

But this I have hope for

He's only lived up to more promises than any President in your lifetime... but yeah, that's a fail.

Davy 01-18-2011 11:41 AM

Obama is just a marionette. Just like G. W. Bush.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17852875)
She's the number one target of the whinny extreme left, so I wouldn't count her out.

She has no chance... 90% of the right wing talk show hosts find her to be a complete idiot and would never back her. Hell the right turned against her during the last election.

Hell even Savage said he would leave the Country if she won. Not if Obama won, if SHE won.

She's a complete idiot and only idiots are fooled by her.

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17852881)
He's only lived up to more promises than any President in your lifetime... but yeah, that's a fail.

A lot of what he did for his promises I don't count because of the way they panned out and how he got them, deviding the country, he has been the leader of the democratic party, we need a leader of the Country a lot more.


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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17852878)
Many of the regulations are EPA and OSHA related and may need to be reviewed...but I certainly hope that most remain intact...even though they do effect business growth thus jobs...as well as making it more difficult to compete in cost with much of the world.

I've worked with OSHA, it needs work, EPA has there head WAY up their ass as well

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17852889)
She has no chance... 90% of the right wing talk show hosts find her to be a complete idiot and would never back her. Hell the right turned against her during the last election.

Hell even Savage said he would leave the Country if she won. Not if Obama won, if SHE won.

She's a complete idiot and only idiots are fooled by her.

Ring wingers don't like her because she would change things for them. She has more power than they can handle. I don't think she is right for the office, but she would change things more than any other president would could get in there.

As for Savage, fuck him, still waiting for those that promised if Bush got reelected to leave, I think a statment like that is fucked up

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:03 PM

There needs to be WAY less regulation on business. America has basically choked out the backbone which is small business with regulations. You end up having mega corporate interests being the only ones who can abide by all the rules and still operate.

These same mega corporations are the ones shipping jobs overseas. Hopefully it is not to late.

The American media has been spinning things like "Chinese child labor" and all that bullshit trying to make it sound like doing business with the Chinese is bad. Meanwhile their corporate counterparts are shipping trillions to China.

The only way to compete is going to bring back the entrepreneurial spirit of the average person. Government should not be involved with business trying to make things "equal for everyone". Equality is based on knowledge. If you do not have that knowledge it is not up to the government to spoon feed and protect you.

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17852878)
Many of the regulations are EPA and OSHA related and may need to be reviewed...but I certainly hope that most remain intact...even though they do effect business growth thus jobs...as well as making it more difficult to compete in cost with much of the world.

You cant have your cake and eat it to. Get it through you head. Your country is being over run by foreign interests and you seem to have no problem with it.

theking 01-18-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17852927)
I've worked with OSHA, it needs work, EPA has there head WAY up their ass as well

As I stated there may need to be some review of OSHA and EPA regulations but I consider job safety to be paramount and I consider the protection of the environment to be paramount over the growth of...and providing jobs to...the human population. I am not real big on being a humanist...and will choose the environment first every time.

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17852955)
There needs to be WAY less regulation on business. America has basically choked out the backbone which is small business with regulations. You end up having mega corporate interests being the only ones who can abide by all the rules and still operate.

These same mega corporations are the ones shipping jobs overseas. Hopefully it is not to late.

The American media has been spinning things like "Chinese child labor" and all that bullshit trying to make it sound like doing business with the Chinese is bad. Meanwhile their corporate counterparts are shipping trillions to China.

The only way to compete is going to bring back the entrepreneurial spirit of the average person. Government should not be involved with business trying to make things "equal for everyone". Equality is based on knowledge. If you do not have that knowledge it is not up to the government to spoon feed and protect you.

Ain't that the truth, if you have a couple employee's , it's tough to get thru all the BS you have to get thru to run a business

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17852966)
As I stated there may need to be some review of OSHA and EPA regulations but I consider job safety to be paramount and I consider the protection of the environment to be paramount over the growth of...and providing jobs to...the human population. I am not real big on being a humanist...and will choose the environment first every time.

I saw a graph somewhere that proved that OSHA had little to do with job safety improvement over the years. But here's something for you to think about. A big company offers safety awards in money for items, like when I worked for Coca Cola, I earned enough for a new chain saw which I needed. Later that year, I got a deduction from my paycheck for the taxes on that money. How is this good for safety in the work place for the government to tax safety awards?

EPA. These guys are pretty fucked up, major polluting companies trading their pollution like stock? That's really fucked up. It's one thing that we are one of the cleanest countries for pollution, but we do business with the worse, their should be tariffs in place for those polluters

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:19 PM

Haha, what regulations keep you people (entrepreneurs) from making more money?

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17852999)
Haha, what regulations keep you people (entrepreneurs) from making more money?

Have your tried to run a merchant account recently?

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853001)
Have your tried to run a merchant account recently?

Yes... What Gov Reg's keep me from making more money with it?

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17853005)
Yes... What Gov Reg's keep me from making more money with it?

And what kind of business do you do with it?

With the way charge back rates are now set and a massive freeze on credit, if you are not being effected you are doing something wrong.

Maybe your 3 customers wont effect you.

The regulations on trials have been entirely re written also.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853009)
And what kind of business do you do with it?

Porn and Holistic Products.

It's not the Fed that regulates Merchant accounts, rules on them, or anything to do with them, at all.

Vendzilla 01-18-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17852999)
Haha, what regulations keep you people (entrepreneurs) from making more money?

So you don't believe Barry?

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853009)
And what kind of business do you do with it?

With the way charge back rates are now set and a massive freeze on credit, if you are not being effected you are doing something wrong.

Maybe your 3 customers wont effect you.

The regulations on trials have been entirely re written also.

Those "Corporations" may be tightening things up, but those aren't Fed Reg's doing it.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17853015)
So you don't believe Barry?

That depends on what nature you're talking about... small business, like me and you - he could deregulate everything and we won't make a dime more.

Big business, yes... dereg in many areas will help them.

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17853017)
Those "Corporations" may be tightening things up, but those aren't Fed Reg's doing it.

Which "Corporations" do you speak of?

These are banking regulations across the board.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853019)
Which "Corporations" do you speak of?

These are banking regulations across the board.

Visa is a Corporation, the rules were put in place by them & only them. The Gov has "regulates" Privacy when it comes to Corps and us, but that is IT'S JOB - is to protect the people.

Everything we're seeing today was actually in place the entire time. It was simply being abused by the merchant holders.

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:29 PM

So TheDoc what happened to American economy then? If it had nothing to do with government regulations? i like to put policies in there also if we could. To me it is basically the same thing.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853024)
So TheDoc what happened to American economy then? If it had nothing to do with government regulations? i like to put policies in there also if we could. To me it is basically the same thing.

Do you think the American Eco went down because of some Gov Reg's? Because that would only be a factor in 'some' sectors of our Economy - such as the Stock Market.

Regulations didn't make Corps move jobs... taxes and costs did. Regs didn't make banks give out bad loans, they did that themselves, not every bank did it - thus it wasn't a reg.

I would love to know what Reg's you think brought our Eco down....

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17853030)
Do you think the American Eco went down because of some Gov Reg's? Because that would only be a factor in 'some' sectors of our Economy - such as the Stock Market.

Regulations didn't make Corps move jobs... taxes and costs did. Regs didn't make banks give out bad loans, they did that themselves, not every bank did it - thus it wasn't a reg.

I would love to know what Reg's you think brought our Eco down....

this is true, i cant argue with it.

one could almost say lack of regulation in certain areas was the problem.

ill have to do some research into visa and who controls/regulates what with them to comment further on it. I am aware they are a private controlled corporation. But hell so is the Federal Reserve.

TheDoc 01-18-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17853036)
this is true, i cant argue with it.

one could almost say lack of regulation in certain areas was the problem.

ill have to do some research into visa and who controls/regulates what with them.

The "biggest issue" with the U.S. Eco then and even today, is our own personal debts & credit kill us. It kills business growth, personal growth, it IS the absolute biggest reason why we can't get our feet as a Country.

Corps are making a killing today and not hiring because people aren't buying... people aren't buying because they have no credit to buy on and all money is going towards past debts. Even if they cut taxes to zero, until the majority of the Country is caught up - the buying power of the nation is gone, thus jobs, money, etc.

MetaMan 01-18-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17853045)
The "biggest issue" with the U.S. Eco then and even today, is our own personal debts & credit kill us. It kills business growth, personal growth, it IS the absolute biggest reason why we can't get our feet as a Country.

Corps are making a killing today and not hiring because people aren't buying... people aren't buying because they have no credit to buy on and all money is going towards past debts. Even if they cut taxes to zero, until the majority of the Country is caught up - the buying power of the nation is gone, thus jobs, money, etc.

Yeppa agreed.

It is one big cluster fuck. Also you are at a point where you cant exactly start being protectionist and importing less because well the country just does not produce the goods needed.

Going to be an interesting next 25 years that for sure.

I dont blame the government for anything. I am doing better than I was years ago. I am just surprised things were allowed to go on so long as they were. Personal choice still effects everything. No one has stopped walking into Wal Mart or started going into the local farmers market.

Personal consumer choices have a huge deal in the blame game also. if not the majority.


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