Which is a better country for a westerner to live in: Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia or Belarus
 

Which is the best for:

- Schools
- Hospitals
- Low or no taxes
- Long term visa
- General quality of life

(not for me, helping someone do some research. figured some of you may live here)

Thanks. :thumbsup

warsaw , poland

or Berlin, Germany


or Barcelona, Spain

Ooops, I was supposed to list Poland there.

My pick this order: Estonia , Latvia , Ukraine and Belarus.

man i must be tired.. i first read that as: which is better for a country westerner to live in...

lots of russian cowboy songs out there i'm sure :)

Czech Republic, Prague hands down :thumbsup

I know some folks from there and they never talk about moving or living elsewhere.


I took that as a good sign.

:)

how fast an internet connection can you get in those countries?

i think estonia is where those kids from hostel were killed, so fuck that place...

unless you have the coin to join the killing club that gets to have all the fun with eurotrash and dumb american tour fags...



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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yeeehaawwww!

Czech Republick

Berlin and Barcelona aren't cheap Cities like the ones DWB listed. Big money to live in those Cities.

warsaw isn't that cheap either, especially when you are not local ;-)

i don't know latvia and estonia, i'm from poland and i know ukraine too (a litle)...

what i can say about Poland and Ukraine: it's quite cheap, terrible roads, HOT GIRLS, very nice food.

you can live very ok in Poland for 1000 euros monthly (if you don't rent something with prices for foreigners...), in Ukraine it will be even nicer for you with that money :)
oh yes and we have also very nice landscapes and nature in general...forests are not behind fence like sometime in UK they are... ;-)

So, Poland:

- schools - there are not so many foreigners in Polish elementary and secondary schools...only on universites they are...generally speaking schools are OK, higher level than in USA....

- hospitals - better to have private health care and insurance (you can get that for around 100 $ monthly)...

- taxes - it depends on the income, most people pay around 20 %
- long term visa: Poland is in UE so probably the same laws as for other UE countries...
- general quality of life: it depends what you are looking for...like i said: we have great food, hot girls, quite cheap alcohol ;-P, lot of monuments and nice nature.... we don't have: good roads and people over 40 don't speak english in general ;-)

SE Asia is better ;-P, except girls

in large cities, as fast as in new jersey. in estonia, probably faster even in the countryside... in other countries and outside urbanized areas, your mileage may vary.

i have friends in Prague, they could live anywhere in the world but choose Prague.
to me that is a pretty good indication of quality of life. dont know about the cost etc though.

Choose Lithuania :) It's cheaper than Estonia, better than Latvia :)

what no france?

Expect to pay around 9.5-10.5% income tax

Having lived in a number of countries in a few continents, I have to agree with this.

While more expensive than other places in Central/Eastern Europe, it is still significantly cheaper than anywhere in Western Europe and US - and has a comparable(if not better, in some areas) level of services, quality of life, etc.

I could name a few things that are annoying, for sure, but that's true everywhere.

Ukraine

The communists will eat your "friend" alive and an alligator will eat his cell phone
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/i86871.html

lots of decent advice in this thread.


But to be 100% honest

Austin , Texas

- Schools = little strict = good
- Hospitals = great
- Low or no taxes = no taxes
- Long term visa = not needed
- General quality of life = awe feakin' some
- Food = chicken fried steaks with cream gravy

Come home DWB

~Ray

The Ukraine. You can live next to DarkJedi and share a bath house.

Poland because they are currently only country in europe with economy going up,while ukraine and belarus are countries with some kind of dictatorship or close to it.Also you didn't mention Prague/Cz Republic which is best for pornographer since Prague is one of porn capitals of Europe and cheaper then Poland.And Prague need someone to import asian whores,you could resolve that problem :)

:1orglaugh It's not for me Ray.

But I won't be coming back to USA any time soon. At least not until the whole financial crisis is totally over and the US dollar is once again stable and safe, if ever. And if that day comes, it will probably be to Utah or somewhere around there, natural beauty and little off the path with a self sustainable home and small farm.

Prague has a large Vietnamese community, although I have not seen any involved in adult.

not ukraine or belarus - both are politically unstable dictatorships

baltic states are ok, estonia would get my vote from them (based on some people i know from there)

the most western country is czech republic as long as you stick to Prague or Brno

nigga please... :-)

Berlin is not that expensive though.

Berlin is cheap compared to other parts of Germany, particularly Bayern. However, it's more expensive than eastern Europe.

No way Ukraine - an Aussie mate of mine in Kyiv got shot after a road rage incident. But on the other hand it mustn't be too bad - he's still living there. He says it's the great women!

Yes, Yes, I know. I own apartments in Berlin.

I would scratch Belarus off.

no, it's not cheaper than Poland :)

I would say 15-20 % more expensive than Cracow

Ukraine and Belarus have nice looking women but they are very poor countries.

I would say Latvia or Estonia. But I think they were hit pretty hard by the credit crunch. Not sure what its like over there nowadays.

Ukraine and specifically kiev is the most expensive country ive been, and Ive been to 30+. If you want to go to the nice places there you will pay. Nicest hotel ive ever been to as well, the hyatt kiev.

Much like moscow, huge gap between poor and rich and no inbetween.

Jammy git (as we say). Berlin apartments are set to shoot off the scale in terms of price appreciation...... i missed my chance :Oh crap

i wouldnt move to eastern europe at all, too fucking cold.... why move to a cold ass country?

exactly, but girls are hot :)

from the Baltic region the Estonia would be the best (and probably the only smart choice you can make) since it's small and has good business infrastructure if you think of doing business in there, especially online business. But over there is fucking cold in winter, so you should consider some other countries.

Poland and Chez Republic are bit better, since there are lots of hot chix to keep you warm during the cold months...

Spain is good too, but they are pretty poor and undeveloped country and are in debts so it could be risky. Also having long term problems with water supply and weather due the climate changes, but Barcelona is just way too cool city to live in, so you would probably had no problems adapting...

in general it all depends on what are you looking.
if you're looking for schools and hospitals, than Austria or Switzerland and UK would be the best places in Europe to live in, but also the most expensive ones....

better service than in North America for way less $

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1129338590.png

That just gave me wood.

Amazing speed. :thumbsup

are you moving away from the Asia?

oh come on, Ukraine is probably the most democratic and the level of competition in politics is really high. But that doesn't change fact that Ukraine is'nt the nicest place to live. Well, it IS if you've got a truckload of cash, but that's not the case I guess :)

I've been to all those countries, and my pick is Latvia. Quite comfortable for living AND it's easy to get permanent resident status, it's like 70k euro worth investments, financial (company, stocks) or real estate. You don't even have to live there all the time to get the status.

Taxes - I might be wrong but here's what I got: 26% personal income, 15% corporate, 21% vat, 0.5 to 1.5% real estate, social insurance 9% (and extra 24% paid by employer).

Riga's real estate prices 'd grown up like 25% last year, that's the world's highest rise 2010.

Estonia among all mentioned countries has the highest living standards if you can coop with a fact there are only 2-3 good restaraunts. Girls are hot and easy. Taxes are low and easy to underatand. Good hospitals, many scools even for english speaking kids. Good infrastructure and yes visas are easy to get and prolong.

Oh and the internet connections are cheap. I am on a 100/100mbps line for like $25/month. 3G connection is available at flat rates from $9/month for 2mbps downstream (no cap). But its pretty cold right now.. Like -12c. Seriously Estonia is the best.

I know all the countries you mentioned very well. The hospitals are scary and anyone thinking about raising kids in any of these countries is nuts unless they can afford to pay for private foreign schools. Lithuania is probably the cheapest and easiest to get a long term residence permit in. The Internet is super fast. Much better than the US.

Go to Malta :)

The music is great but....
 

One word: Summertime.

yes yes politics, rent costs sure....

but which place has the best food???

All my thoughts while reading this thread is revolved around how much i dig polish and ukrainian cuisine.. they really know how to eat over there.. hehe