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nico-t 04-08-2011 04:36 AM

max pushups & situps daily.
 
I started doing pushups alot more than i used to, since this week i am doing max pushups i can every day, along with situps.
Today i have muscle aches, so im not gonna force it and wait til tomorrow... is it good to do it every day? Or is every other day better for your body/muscles to restore.

the Shemp 04-08-2011 04:53 AM

if you are just starting out, then i would wait a day between workouts and dont overdo it, either.. but im no expert...my personal workout is opening the fridge about 10 times a day...

BJ 04-08-2011 04:58 AM

you in prison bro?

Nicky 04-08-2011 05:05 AM

Do them in set's and every other day. Say you can do ~30 push-ups and ~50 sit-up's do that x3 or 4 with some rest in between every other day. Not optimal to only do those 2 though...

the Shemp 04-08-2011 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 18041607)
you in prison bro?

no, i'm at the home...

nico-t 04-08-2011 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 18041617)
Do them in set's and every other day. Say you can do ~30 push-ups and ~50 sit-up's do that x3 or 4 with some rest in between every other day. Not optimal to only do those 2 though...

what if i do it daily except for the weekends... so 5 days every day, 2 days nothing

nico-t 04-08-2011 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 18041607)
you in prison bro?

lol.. its a great short workout to get in shape... used to do it for months straight years ago, along with cardio, and tones the body great...

TheDoc 04-08-2011 05:24 AM

I do push ups, sit ups, pull ups, pretty much daily but at least 3-4 days a week. Each time is roughly 100-200 push ups in various styles, 100-500 sit ups, and 100 or so pull ups. The pull ups I don't do all at once, it's normally broken up throughout the day, as it's in my house, but it's probably the one I do the most, almost 7 days a week.

Years ago when I started back doing this it was hard to do it every other day, now it doesn't bother me unless I push it really hard, normally mix in some weights, then I can feel it the next day.

Just build up.. if you're hurting right now, then rest a day or two, if it doesn't hurt, work out some more.

BJ 04-08-2011 05:42 AM

ok, for a serious suggestion. Do push-ups right before bed as well. On your bedroom floor or whatever and consume a slow digesting protein immediately after, such as casein or hard boiled eggs. You will build muscle while you sleep. (most important time)

BJ 04-08-2011 05:44 AM

and do them right before you go out too. So you're all pumped up for the ladies.

GTS Mark 04-08-2011 06:55 AM

My max pushups (non-stop) is around 50... I'd like to get around 100 but that's going to take some time to build up to.

Deputy Chief Command 04-08-2011 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GTS Mark (Post 18041846)
My max pushups (non-stop) is around 50... I'd like to get around 100 but that's going to take some time to build up to.

wish I could do 50 right now ! lol .. my max pushup is 100 .. but that is 7 or 8 years ago .. used to do push ups every day one hour after dinner

started out small with 3 series of 10 and slowly built it up .. very important to slowly build it up and not push it too hard

after couple of weeks of doing 3 series of 10 I gradually increased it untill I was doing 3 series of 75 (7- 8 months after I started) .. I would take 3 min rest in between each series so I would finish the 3*75 in 10 minutes

I should start again :thumbsup

Deputy Chief Command 04-08-2011 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 18041678)
ok, for a serious suggestion. Do push-ups right before bed as well. On your bedroom floor or whatever and consume a slow digesting protein immediately after, such as casein or hard boiled eggs. You will build muscle while you sleep. (most important time)

work out before you go to bed is not good I hear all the "experts" saying .. something with testosterone levels too high / too excited just before bed .. they advise against it , dont know if those "experts" should be listened to or not though :2 cents:

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 07:04 AM

I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

PR_Glen 04-08-2011 07:06 AM

push ups are a great form of exercise for sure... One suggestion about them is change up the angles of your hands every once in a while...

I talked with a former drill sergeant once who told me he used to do x amount of push ups every day and because he used the same straight arm angle it cause wear in his shoulders.. so now he changes angles every day and it doesn't bother him as much, plus you work different muscles when you switch it up too so there is something to be gained from that.

Sit ups you can do forever... I used to do 1000 a day... was a waste of time, you can get the same workout in about 5 minutes going slow with the right angles.

Deputy Chief Command 04-08-2011 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 18041860)
After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

all fine and dandy that you are a gay cocksucking mofo .. but this thread is about doing push ups/working out .. now about how gay your daily make up routine is :2 cents:

MrCain 04-08-2011 07:09 AM

around 50.

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command (Post 18041870)
all fine and dandy that you are a gay cocksucking mofo .. but this thread is about doing push ups/working out .. now about how gay your daily make up routine is :2 cents:

Hey, I'm a child of divorce, gimme a break!

nico-t 04-08-2011 09:03 AM

lot of useful info here, thanks. I know about switching angles, the wider you put your arms you train your back muscles, the narrower you train your chest muscles.

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command (Post 18041870)
all fine and dandy that you are a gay cocksucking mofo .. but this thread is about doing push ups/working out .. now about how gay your daily make up routine is :2 cents:

you need to watch american psycho, its a quote from that movie;)

dyna mo 04-08-2011 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18041581)
I started doing pushups alot more than i used to, since this week i am doing max pushups i can every day, along with situps.
Today i have muscle aches, so im not gonna force it and wait til tomorrow... is it good to do it every day? Or is every other day better for your body/muscles to restore.

russain strength and conditioning coach Pavel recommends working out everyday for strength.
i have this book and highly recommend it.
http://www.dragondoor.com/b28/

PR_Glen 04-08-2011 09:09 AM

nice, be sure to use offset angles in there too ;)

think i may give this a go myself... best part about these is no gym required...

MetaMan 04-08-2011 09:13 AM

I do chest once a week. So im not to sure why you would work pushups daily. Same with abs twice a week. Your muscles need time to heal in between workouts. You're going to end up fucking up your joints.

If you arent capping out your muscles for the next day you're doing it wrong.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18042145)
nice, be sure to use offset angles in there too ;)

think i may give this a go myself... best part about these is no gym required...

i LOVE no gym. i am pretty ghetto when it comes to weights, hell, i use a thick shelf jammed underneath a couch cushion for my incline bench! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh works fucking perfect though.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042155)
I do chest once a week. So im not to sure why you would work pushups daily. Same with abs twice a week. Your muscles need time to heal in between workouts. You're going to end up fucking up your joints.

If you arent capping out your muscles for the next day you're doing it wrong.

when you say *capping out* does that mean *maxing out*? :)

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18042133)
lot of useful info here, thanks. I know about switching angles, the wider you put your arms you train your back muscles, the narrower you train your chest muscles.



you need to watch american psycho, its a quote from that movie;)

lol. I was hoping that someone would recognize the quote!

dyna mo 04-08-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 18042205)
lol. I was hoping that someone would recognize the quote!

Do you know what Ed Gein said about women?

_Richard_ 04-08-2011 10:08 AM

crunches for situps during the day are the best i think

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18042212)
Do you know what Ed Gein said about women?


Agent 488 04-08-2011 10:20 AM

i can do half a pushup. working on one situp.

TheDoc 04-08-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042155)
I do chest once a week. So im not to sure why you would work pushups daily. Same with abs twice a week. Your muscles need time to heal in between workouts. You're going to end up fucking up your joints.

If you arent capping out your muscles for the next day you're doing it wrong.

If you're really working out or if your body isn't used to working out or if you don't eat correctly, then yes you should rest. But just doing push-pull-sit ups to stay in shape, you'll be fine doing it daily after a short bit of doing them... if it was really bad for your body, half the Military would have blown out joints from it.

MetaMan 04-08-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18042569)
If you're really working out or if your body isn't used to working out or if you don't eat correctly, then yes you should rest. But just doing push-pull-sit ups to stay in shape, you'll be fine doing it daily after a short bit of doing them... if it was really bad for your body, half the Military would have blown out joints from it.

Military is more on a Crossfit routine these days and they do not in anyway focus on the same muscle group daily.

so in your opinion a muscle group does not need a rest in between working it out?

MetaMan 04-08-2011 11:12 AM

I dont care what anyone says your muscles need time to heal in between working them out. Anyone who tells you or suggests otherwise is completely clueless.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042600)
I dont care what anyone says your muscles need time to heal in between working them out. Anyone who tells you or suggests otherwise is completely clueless.

many experts agree that they certainly don't need 6 days to recover.

MetaMan 04-08-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18042652)
many experts agree that they certainly don't need 6 days to recover.

that i would also agree with. i personally give them a weeks rest because of how i push them. i max out daily 1 muscle group. alot of people like to combine workouts. i do not personally because i find if i say work chest, then biceps, i half ass my bicep workout.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 11:30 AM

i've been training with heavy deadlifts and heavy incline bench 3x a week for 5 weeks now, my progress is linear.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042667)
that i would also agree with. i personally give them a weeks rest because of how i push them. i max out daily 1 muscle group. alot of people like to combine workouts. i do not personally because i find if i say work chest, then biceps, i half ass my bicep workout.

i wasn't aware that you are into weight lifting. good to know. :thumbsup

The Demon 04-08-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18041581)
I started doing pushups alot more than i used to, since this week i am doing max pushups i can every day, along with situps.
Today i have muscle aches, so im not gonna force it and wait til tomorrow... is it good to do it every day? Or is every other day better for your body/muscles to restore.

It is not good to work the same muscle group every day, or even every other day. When I was doing calisthenics, I had 72 hours of rest in between my workouts. Also I'm wondering, why aren't you lifting weights. Are you trying to get big with pushups because that's not happening?

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042590)
Military is more on a Crossfit routine these days and they do not in anyway focus on the same muscle group daily.

so in your opinion a muscle group does not need a rest in between working it out?

If you're doing isolation exercises with weights and really tear up your muscles during each workout, you'll need 2-3 full days of recovery for each muscle group. If you're just doing pushups, pullups etc, it's fine to do them every other day at first until you stop feeling sore on the day after. At that point, it will be fine to do them every day or 2 out of every 3 days,
My current workout consists of pushups, pullups, jump rope (great HIIT), and bike riding. I don't have a set schedule, but try to do all of them whenever possible.

Also, eating healthy is just as important when you're trying to build muscle and it's good to eat a protein bar or have a smoothie immediately after working out. I'm not eating terribly healthy at the moment, but I do try to get 25-30 grams of fiber per day and hope that the rest of the diet falls into place. High fiber foods tend to be healthy in other ways and are usually also filling.

Peter Romero 04-08-2011 12:03 PM

I would alternate push/pull with a day rest for each muscle group. If you don't do a "PULL" workout as well as your push-ups your shoulders will concave forward and fuck up your posture. Push-ups are a killer exercise for your shoulders, abs, butt and triceps. I do between 400-800 a day 3X a week. 1000 push-ups in 1 day is my record - but it took me a long time to build up to that and I split up workouts throughout the day depending on how many I do. Here's an example of my weekly routine. Try this for a 4 weeks (28 days) and change it up to avoid plateaues.

Cardio, Abs, Crunches, twists, leg lifts - Every day 1-3X a day.

"PUSH" Push-ups, flys, shoulder/Military, dips - every other day.

"PULL" Pull-ups, Deadlifts, back, curls, wrist curls - every other day not doing "PUSH"

"LEGS" I'm doing so much walking, hiking, stairs, & biking that I don't spend a whole day doing legs but I will intermingle leg workouts with everything else.

Works for me. But what do I know?

james_clickmemedia 04-08-2011 12:10 PM

As with any exercise too many of the same one is a waste of energy.
All the book I have seen for getting better abs tell you to do a variety of exercises that target a particular area of the abs.

I often see people doing 100 or 200 crunches & think what A waste of time. However with that said I do not have a six pack either.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia (Post 18042783)
As with any exercise too many of the same one is a waste of energy.
All the book I have seen for getting better abs tell you to do a variety of exercises that target a particular area of the abs.

I often see people doing 100 or 200 crunches & think what A waste of time. However with that said I do not have a six pack either.

i've completely stopped doing situps, i was doing over 400 a day, even posted about it here too, lolz. but i've since learned max ab dev comes from exercises like the dead lift. if any ab work is done, i find the best results i've gotten are from exercises i can only do low rep of:

hanging upside down crunches
ab wheel
jangda crunches

but these are after deadlifts.

jimmycooper 04-08-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia (Post 18042783)
As with any exercise too many of the same one is a waste of energy.
All the book I have seen for getting better abs tell you to do a variety of exercises that target a particular area of the abs.

I often see people doing 100 or 200 crunches & think what A waste of time. However with that said I do not have a six pack either.

Yeah, core exercises (deadlifts/squats/etc) mixed with high intensity interval training and a proper diet is best for abs, imo.

Peter Romero 04-08-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia (Post 18042783)
As with any exercise too many of the same one is a waste of energy.
All the book I have seen for getting better abs tell you to do a variety of exercises that target a particular area of the abs.

I often see people doing 100 or 200 crunches & think what A waste of time. However with that said I do not have a six pack either.

I have been off & on for the past year but hardcore for the past 4 months and lost almost 100 pounds. And yes, I have a six pack. But, I'm still working on it.

I do agree that you need to mix it up as much as posible, but this is my base training and like I said... I lost almost 100 punds already. But this thread is about push-ups not me. Carry on.

mynameisjim 04-08-2011 12:37 PM

Your body is more complex than you think. If you push it daily, the muscles will respond and never go into a healing phase which is when actual growth happens. When you take a day off, the muscles notice this and allow themselves to go into a healing phase. The healing phase makes the muscle less able to respond, so it only does this if it thinks it won't be stressed again.

A long time ago I would work out everyday and I actually got better results when I only worked out certain muscle groups once a week instead of 2-3 times a week. However, if you work out everyday, you will carry a bigger "pump" and feel bigger, but you will get stronger much more slowly.

The above is for heavy workouts, if your workout doesn't make you sore then you can probably do it everyday as a maintenance type of thing.

TheDoc 04-08-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 18042590)
Military is more on a Crossfit routine these days and they do not in anyway focus on the same muscle group daily.

so in your opinion a muscle group does not need a rest in between working it out?

Naaa, they have to pass the same physical fitness today as 15 years ago. A grunt would prob cross train more, but normal Military does push-pull-sit ups and running all the f'in time, some units a couple times a day, others 7 days a week like MP units.

If you push yourself, if you work hard.. no mater what you're doing you need a day or a few to rest. You could go out for a walk and over do it and need to rest. But this type of working out, naaa... just don't kill yourself and you're fine to do a little each day.

r0bman 04-08-2011 03:42 PM

When i was in the royal marines we did closed arm pushups (elbow tight against your body) 100's of times a day, sometimes with 10st on our backs.
Have a few days off while it hurts, it will go and you wont feel it again so long as you keep your muscles active.
It's just the initial response from your body, it will get used to anything :)

The Demon 04-08-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 18042869)
Your body is more complex than you think. If you push it daily, the muscles will respond and never go into a healing phase which is when actual growth happens. When you take a day off, the muscles notice this and allow themselves to go into a healing phase. The healing phase makes the muscle less able to respond, so it only does this if it thinks it won't be stressed again.

I'm sorry but please pass what you're smoking. If you believe the muscles grow when you're lifting and not when you're healing, you need to go back and read basic physiological information. This isn't even close tbo being accurate.
Quote:

A long time ago I would work out everyday and I actually got better results when I only worked out certain muscle groups once a week instead of 2-3 times a week. However, if you work out everyday, you will carry a bigger "pump" and feel bigger, but you will get stronger much more slowly.
Misleading. We don't know what your diet was at the time, and if it was noob gains.

dyna mo 04-08-2011 04:58 PM

from pavel's naked warrior book:

The Naked Wa rrior Principles
? S t r e n gth is built by tensing the muscles harder, not by exhausting them with
reps.
? High tension requires high resistance and mental focus on contracting the
muscles harder.
? High resistance can be achieved without heavy weights by deliberately
imposing poor leverage and unfavorable weight distribution between the
l i m b s .
? The best strength gains are made by focusing on a limited number of highresistance,
low-rep, full-body exercises. The Naked Warrior program features
only two exercises: the one-legged squat and the one-arm pushup. They are
the bodyweight equivalents of the powerlifts.
? S t r e n gth is a skill. Training must be approached as a practice, not a
workout. You will practice every day, throughout the day; you will focus on
R U L E S O F E N G A G E M E N T
1 1
max tension; and you will totally avoid muscle fatigue and failure.

? The skill of tension-generation is the most important variable in getting
stronger?it is much more important than the building of muscle mass.
? The martial arts high-tension techniques will make you stronger by
enabling you to tense your muscles harder.

Frank21 04-08-2011 05:18 PM

i do half a situp when i wake up and the other half when i go to bed.

Peter Romero 04-08-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18043427)
from pavel's naked warrior book:

The Naked Wa rrior Principles
? S t r e n gth is built by tensing the muscles harder, not by exhausting them with
reps.
? High tension requires high resistance and mental focus on contracting the
muscles harder.
? High resistance can be achieved without heavy weights by deliberately
imposing poor leverage and unfavorable weight distribution between the
l i m b s .
? The skill of tension-generation is the most important variable in getting
stronger?it is much more important than the building of muscle mass.
? The martial arts high-tension techniques will make you stronger by
enabling you to tense your muscles harder.

Trust me... I can lift ALOT of HEAVY Weight - More than I will admit to here lest people think I'm lying or bragging. This thread was about push-ups, and my goal was fat loss. My push-up routine is what I'm doing now to avoid sitting down for long periods of time. That's also why I walk 12-20 miles a day and do alot of stairs - to burn fat and avoid doing nothing besides sitting in front of a computer screen.


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