Xbiz Poll Cited as proof by ICM that the sponsoring community supports .XXX
 

Taken from the sworn testimony by Stuart Lawley, in the INTERNATIONAL CENTRE FOR DISPUTE RESOLUTION.

ICM Registry, LLC, Claimant, v. Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN"), Respondent.

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If you read the whole 300+ pages ( source: http://www.teamclickcash.com/icm-testimony.pdf ) you will see that ICM was rejected several times because of the "sponsorship" requirement was not met. They could NOT show proof that the sponsoring community wanted .XXX. ICM asked for an independent review process (IRP) stating that ICANN had errored when they concluded that ICM did not meet the sponsorship requirements. The only information they provided to the IRP was to reference an xbiz poll.

Thanks xbiz and your poll! It appears that was the ammunition needed by ICM to get over the hurdle of the sponsorship requirement.

Does anyone else kind of find it odd that only 22% of the people who replied to the xbiz poll said they were against .XXX and the other 78% said they either support it or didn't care either way???

Here is the link to the XBiz poll: http://www.xbiz.com/polls/poll.php?id=119287 interesting, it's a blank page now.

By comparison, here a GFY poll run during the same time: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/714663-icann-approved-xxx-vote.html (88% against!)

Now why would an Xbiz poll show that only 22% of the people were against it. Does that seem right to everyone else? Does that seem accurate? I can only wonder how that poll came to show those results, which were later used as proof of sponsorship (only proof) and was enough to ultimately get .xxx approved.




Let's look at some more facts.



Joan Irvine, CEO of ASACP:

Source: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html

Not willing to take an official position, but yet campaigning to be the first person in line to work with and accept money from ICM... but you were non biased and just waiting to see where the chips would fall and didn't care either way. :warning

Letter from Joan Irvine, CEO ASACP to ICANN
Source: http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html

Source: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html

Working with IFFOR (aka ICM) is no different then working with the govt to get a grant?? :warning

Joan Irvine and her thoughts about Johhny V, posted in her rant about why more people wouldn't donate to ASACP.
Source: http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=news&item=860

Johhny V goes to an ICANN meeting in Columbia, represents himself as the "director" of ASACP and speaks in favor of ICM.
Joan comments regarding what took place:
Source: http://www.ynot.com/content/116351-i...s-victory.html

So, Johnny V, who knows that Joan and ASACP has stated several times that they are *neutral* on .xxx flies down to Columbia to speak in support of .xxx at an important ICANN meeting and represents himself as a DIRECTOR of ASACP. Knowing that he is going against everything that Joan has said for years and against a person that thinks highly of him, he still does this. And Joan's response, well we were a little shocked but we look forward to working with Johnny more in the future? Are you kidding me?

FYI: Joan was so upset that a month later ASACP gave Johnny V an ASACP award. Congrats Johnny, well played Sir!


ASACP Tim (now current acting CEO) states that even if .xxx becomes a reality, the ASACP will NOT get a cut.
Source: http://www.gfy.com/it/1001450-industry-insiders-speak-dot-xxx-icm-claims-victory-post17769805.html



Alec Helmy, president of XBIZ and founder of ASACP, listed as Treasurer of ASACP.

Source: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/475752-asacps-official-statement-xxx.html

Truth: Alec Hemly listed as "Treasurer" for ASACP.
Source: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...6a6b7a0-9O.pdf

Alec Hemly listed as being on the advisory board but conveniently no one is listed publicly as treasurer.
Source: http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=aboutus


Alec Hemly being accused of supporting .xxx and letting Stuart Lawley join xbiz forums to try to get approval.
Source: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/978028-mike-south-step-inside.html


http://www.xbiz.com/news/119378 Alec Helmy will be queried by "guest interviewer" and online adult veteran Johnny V.

Oh, How the dots keep getting connected... I'm just glad that it is AVN that owns GFY and not Xbiz so this post wont be deleted right away.

if xbix shows arent a ghost town this year, then we will all see how the adult industry really feels about .xxx and alec...

any takers on the fact this this will not effect their show attendance one bit..








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Here is another good article: http://www.ynot.com/content/116761-b...rvine-xxx.html

How can that be true?

The thread over there with Lawley getting slammed by everyone.

Now this poll... hmmmm

Not like an internet poll can't be rigged.. Oh no.. Could never happen. Gotta take the results as fact and as the will of the people.

Dude, no one gives a shit, ppl are fucking sheep. This is the same as with this chick getting slaughter in McDonald which was posted today, everybody stands around and no one even lift a finger. Yes, they will all forget about it in a matter of few seconds and they will be back to Xbiz forums again and again kissing their asses in the infinite circle. Xbiz themselves also does not give a shit, employees are just employees and the owner has already took the money and he's drinking his margarita with accompany of some hottnesses now while reading this thread and laughing or perhaps he is not even going to read this.
Funny thing, there was once such an adult forum, I can’t recall da name now, it was quite a while ago, anyway, it was the age when big tubes owned and run by big companies and big greedy ppl were stealing honest webmasters content and putting it on their tubes claiming it was user submitted stuff …now let’s get to the point, ppl were raging about them, the real riot blew out when those big greedy companies with their tubes started advertise campaign on this adult forum which name I can’t recall now, everyone where shocked and pissed off, many said that they will no longer post at this forum …and guess what? After a month or two they all forgot about it and they were all back full of luv.
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wooohooo!!!

Dude you are preaching to the choir. Nice research though. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Apparently some of the choir is retarded and they needed to see it all laid out in one place. You would be amazed at how many people are still defending xbiz and ASACP.

On a side note, how some pool on the proprietary business website may be a deciding factor in any matter, those are just fucking few numbers in MySQL database that can be easily manipulated in many different ways, especially by someone who owns the website ...but even from outside, no problem.
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wooohooo!!!

Everyone will be sucking the xbiz dick when awards come around. The people at the top, Helmy or whatever his name is, Joan, this bastard Lawley, all their shady activity and absolute bullshit is out.

The big issue though is XXX and will it be mandatory and will Visa say fuck you, you have to process on XXX... nope. We're too big. PEOPLE LOVE US. People love girls and porn. Try taking that away from them.. hahaha Good luck. It'll never happen. Visa won't process for coms but will sell vibrators down the street? Way too many legislative and first amendent issues and we are secretly loved by the masses. Lawley you fucking dumbass you misjudged this. You think the CEOS of this country that jack off to my calendar girls are going to want to get on xxx? ya right. Polls and commissions and studies and hearings and first amendment issues, fuck no. It won't happen. We all should just relax, not buy any names and look at who the enemy is.

Hey Pimproll Don't you just love your awards now when the company that dished them out, teamed up with a company that snagged your own name? Although I doubt you could trademark PORN, still. I don't know you at all, not calling out anything or talking shit but dude they FUCKING TOOK YOUR DOMAIN.

If big people came out and said fuck you instead of little guys like me it might make a difference. But they all want their worthless awards don't they?

If we chill on buying xxx then fine. If someone buys mine from under me I'll let then build traffic then snag it because I own the mark and redirect to the com. If we let it die it becomes a worthless extension like .tel or whatever.

Will needs a fucking medal for his work here. I'm sure most of you he fights with will secretly agree.

so how much does helmy make on each domain registered?

The average .com owner doesn't have much of a chance if they are flat out jacking the top names out of the gate.

One one side of the isle, you have whores. The other, sheep.

I've been saying it from the start, we will be fucked from the inside out from the very people who are claiming to help. And that's what happened.

Now it's too late.

Spend your ad dollars accordingly.

I smell stink in the shit house....how about you?



http://nikkilicks.com/pics/IMGxxx.jpg

interesting...

Arent you supposed to be on holidays ? See you posting more than ever :winkwink:

I wonder how big XBIZ and the ASACP's cut is in all this .xxx favoritism and low profiling promotion.
However, based on the decision that the major search engines will take if to index .xxx we can see it go both ways.

you can only fuck so many ladyboys in one day...

he's pacing himself... :2 cents:






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given the ICM's shady past: not surprised :(

It's not gonna fuckin happen...

so where is the class action lawsuit against icann and/or icm for unfair business practices or whatever law this is that they broke?

seems pretty scandalous to me.

Im not going to buy into the .xxx thing, but i do see an issue with unfair business practices.


The fact that all of the top adult domains were bought prior to .xxx being open to the public for sale does raise some seriously interesting issues.

I think if PORN.COM/PR Dave raised those issues and it can be tracked to who actually owns those top names and find out how they were procured, would raise some serious shit.


If I were PR Dave, I would be pretty pissed. I would be consulting an attorney on the legitimacy and details of "how" and "when" PORN.XXX got purchased.


I would love to see that shit stirred up and see PR Dave and others get those high dollar .XXX names signed over because of un-ethical and unscrupulous business practices.:2 cents:

I've been impressed with Ynot's coverage of this so far. :thumbsup Nice to see an adult media outlet who will post the facts, ask the hard questions, and not just repost the same fluff as everyone else.

Thanks for that.

I remember when xbiz ran that poll and I couldn't believe there was that kind of industry support, since everywhere else in adult it seemed that the overwhelming majority, even in anonymous polls, was against .xxx.

Best anal scene in 2011. Lawley and Dave.

Well here are a few that I found from our industry that supported it. (From viewing the information on ICANN's site, nothing to do with the xbiz poll) There was a lot of child advocates and filtering software people who supported it as well as some of the general public, but they were only in support of it if it were to become mandatory :warning

From our industry, According to submissions / posts sent / made to ICANN and listed on their site, I found the following in SUPPORT of .XXX.

(legal notice: I can not verify nor do I state that it is authentic. They are posted for public view via the ICANN website. I am simply re posting that information here, with link to view source. Had to add that blurb since the first one is an attorney.)


Source: http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00003.html
[stld-rfp-xxx] A Responsible First Step for the Adult Industry

* To: <stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx>
* Subject: [stld-rfp-xxx] A Responsible First Step for the Adult Industry
* From: "Lawrence G. Walters" <larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:12:42 -0500
* Importance: Normal
* Organization: Weston, Garrou & DeWitt
* Sender: owner-stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx

For the good of the adult Internet industry, this proposal should be approved. Having provided legal representation to the adult webmaster community since 1995, along with other facets of the adult industry for years before, I’ve seen many unsuccessful attempts to organize and speak with a united voice. Organizing in the adult Internet industry is essential; just as it is with any other highly-regulated industry. My law firm has represented the adult industry for over 40 years, and has been involved in many organizing efforts. It may be that the only way for this particular facet of the industry to organize is through a non-profit foundation structured to support both the online adult community and the broader Internet community funded through .xxx registration revenue. A .xxx domain name option will eventually become a reality, and the current proposal will result in significant benefit to the industry as a whole, given the significant funding that IFFOR could potentially secure for the purposes of lobbying, legal defense, and media outreach.

When compared to a generic TLD proposal, the current Sponsored TLD proposal is definitely preferable. In light of the current political climate in the United States and elsewhere, IFFOR could become a critical voice for the continued viability and success of the adult website industry. Regardless of one’s feelings concerning the esoteric advisability of a voluntary .xxx domain name registration option, the practical realities must be addressed. Some entity will ultimately convince ICANN to approve a TLD for the adult industry. The current proposal by ICM Registries, Inc., sponsored by IFFOR, will bestow benefits on the industry which far outweigh any of the potential concerns advanced to date. The webmaster community should get behind this proposal which will give something back, instead of waiting for another group to submit a generic TLD proposal based purely on profit motive.

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Source: http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00005.html

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* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* From: gleonardi <whatagal828@xxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
* Sender: owner-stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx

As former President of the Free Speech Coalition, the adult industry's trade organization, I have long supported the concept of a separate domain for adult internet websites, despite contrary opinions from within our own ranks. I do not subscribe to the idea that this process will somehow 'ghettoize' the adult industry but rather, would demonstrate a proactive, responsible position.
Gloria Leonard

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Source: http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00056.html

Leaders in the Online Adult Industry Support .xxx

* To: <stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx>
* Subject: Leaders in the Online Adult Industry Support .xxx
* From: Gregory Dumas <gdumas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:36:31 -0700
* User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0

Title: Leaders in the Online Adult Industry Support .xxx

I write this to communicate my support for the .xxx TLD proposal. I write as an experienced member of the online Adult Industry and have been since 1995.

I currently own an Internet marketing company specializing in adult website marketing since 2001. Prior to that I was President of IGallery, as subsidiary of New Frontier media, a NASDAQ listed company from 1996 to 2001 and prior to that was VP of Marketing for Hustler launching its flagship site in 1995.

I am also a director of the Free Speech Coalition since 2001.

All these companies share one belief ... that child pornography is illegal, it is morally wrong and it should be stopped. This application demonstrates that belief and that the adult industry is prepared to both do something about child pornography and open up a dialogue with the broader Internet community.

.xxx offers an opportunity for the online adult industry act responsibly.

It provides a new forum and platform for the online adult industry to begin to self-organize and to develop their own credible and responsible business practices.

I have personally met with many of the leaders in the online adult community from around the world ... from Python Communications in Curacao ... to Netcollex in the UK ... to Hustler, Vivid, AVN and many many more have all demonstrated their support for this application.

In addition, there is great concern about the risks posed to the industry if .xxx was to ever become a generic TLD.

No other application has stronger industry support or as broad and diverse a community of International supporters from all impacted stakeholders.

Greg Dumas
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Source: http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html

ICM

* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: ICM
* From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx
* Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400

ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry
make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes
sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major
deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to
eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a
self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that
promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional
business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising
awareness about this subject.

ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography
laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has
received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of
which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to
the F.B.I and NCMEC.

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible
business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and
support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the
adult industry and the global community.


Sincerely,


Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP

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- So, i have contact with police to report cp
- There are several european organisations to report CP
- Leaseweb has a pornfilter, and a security officer to take care of cybercrime like cp on their servers. They even have a filter ready to scan for cp.
- There are several foundations to help preventing cp
- Holland wanted to make a internetfilter. But the stopped for privacy, but also because most CP is in underground cp p2p communities, and hardly on websites anymore.

What do we need ASACP and IFFOR for? If i has to forced to support something for cp, i rather choose an INDEPENDENT organization myself. I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but we pay national and european taxes to let police solve crimes. And as you can read, there are several organisations that will watch out for cp. One thing i am sure of, CP will stay on .com or any other domain or undergorund newsgroup.

10 years ago only 5 dutch policeman took care of cybercrime. In the mean time there are much more policeman after cybercrime. 1995 it might be necessary, nowadays the police are specialized in it. And you need to be specialized to get down the underground cp communities. The time that there will be any cp sites on public websites will be a thing of the past.
The idea that .xxx will stop or anyhow influence cp is idiot.

ICM (or whatever the XXX registry is called) stated a long time ago they intended to keep Porn.XXX ...Sex.XXX and other important domains and planned to put some sort of landing pages up , one idea was to list/link all registered .XXX domains on it so everyone got some free traffic... ( im not sure if they still intend to do it ).

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sounds great if it stays a landing page for .xxx indefinitely. Keep in mind somebody does own it. I'm curious where the money goes when it ends up getting sold?

YNOT rocks BIG time!!

I agree,

I also think you deserve a pat on the back Dave for all the effort you put in opposing the .XXX extension (and many others too!) ..it didnt go unnoticed.

Damn Will76, nice reporting. Eye-opening summary.

If ISPs / networks / software block .XXX, what's the point...

Many people already are reporting issues with .XXX being blocked / not resolving properly. That doesn't bode well for .XXX...

That could be the difference between payment processors, webhosts, etc requiring adult sites to operate in .XXX or not. If .XXX is shown to be far less reliable than other TLDs, companies will be hard pressed to require sites to be in it.

And there's precedence for this ... remember "900" phone numbers? How often does one see those advertised these days ... virtually never. Many teleservices that did business through 900 numbers long ago migrated back to non-900 prefixes (800, 877, etc) due to the highly aggressive blocking of 900 numbers. .XXX could be going down the same road and end up just as useless compared to other TLDs.

Ron

So Alec Hemly of Xbiz was both the treasurer for ASCAP, on the advisory board of ASCAP, and Xbiz had a poll that showed 57% of Xbiz members supported .XXX?

I've lost all respect for Xbiz.

Will76 should post his articles on Ynot :2 cents:

The hardest stat to believe from that poll was that only 22% were against it. 78% either were in favor or didn't care. Seems very hard to believe from an adult webmaster site. I guess all of the pro .xxx people hang out on xbiz. :upsidedow

I would believe the poll was legit if a little over 1/2 at the very least were against it, and the remaining were split between being in favor and/or not caring and if it was proven that all who voted were "in" the industry.

Isn't there a way to see what the poll results actually were at the time?

A way back machine or something?

Honestly, I can't believe any board would even accept this X-Biz pool based on the fact that it came from an organization that is 100% behind .XXX. This poll should have been taken by an independent party where all chances of fudging the numbers would be next to impossible.

I can't prove it but I think this poll was bogus and fixed from the start, which leads me to believe, no matter what, this thing was going to be pushed through with out any regard to comments made by GAC or the general populous of the adult industry who commented.

What the hell were all the comment periods for? Just to have us waste time? And then that asshole lawley shows up with his bogus poll taken by the "BIG" supporters of .XXX "X-Biz" and they actually believe that garbage he submitted...like I mentioned earlier, I smell stink in the shit house ;)

One would think these actions are criminal at best...



http://nikkilicks.com/pics/IMGxxx.jpg

And on every adult community board out there :thumbsup

Bump to the top.

Well what we KNOW is that online polls can EASILY be manipulated... they are good for amusement, and nothing else. The fact that ICM Registry had to rely on an online poll from a seemingly supportive organization should have told the IRP reviewers all they needed to know about the level of community support.

BTW, real nice article you wrote...read it this morning :thumbsup

I hear they are keeping most top names for themselves, kinda what .tv did back in the day.

This .xxx thing is just a scam.

Thanks man.

yeah looks like this is old news already. Everyone will be whoring soon enough to try to get their precious xbiz awards. :disgust

Will. I like others would like to say that you have done some great work here. However I feel that you are wasting your time and should better focus on the company you work for or own or what ever.

Very little you do now will effect the outcome of this. .XXX is and will pass. Its about the money.

Thanks again for the info, but me personally. Im back to work.

I was more referring to him being a contributing writer, seeing as Ynot is the only site that isn't afraid to post "unpopular" adult news.

Not its not.
But careful posting unpopular facts. You wont get your cool kid badge and you will loose GFY street cred.