Bye bye AIM . . . say hello to Adult Performers Health
 

CANOGA PARK, Calif.?As a result of conversations with adult industry producers, agents and performers, and in response to the closing of AIM, the Free Speech Coalition?s Board of Directors has voted to support the creation of APHSS (Adult Performers Health and Safety Services).

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Sounds like they should work hand in hand with Talent Testing since they are already who is being used now.

Yea, makes sense. Get the FSC and porn attorneys involved so they can create a cluster fuck of a health clinic and try to do something they are clueless about, then come up with some BS protection scheme for those who pay to be part of their system. They couldn't beat 2257 or .XXX, and their anti-piracy racket doesn't seem to be taking off either. Who's going to trust them with HIV? No thanks.

Or... everyone just go to Talent Testing who already knows what they are doing and have been doing it for a while now.

This will be a great train wreck to watch from afar.

well at least canoga park is close

it's a bit different in scope than TT.... I'm thinking there will be 3 testing organizations when the dust settles... here's the key to the FSC platform:

"Provision of a secure database to provide information to performers and producers on performer availability based on industry protocol."

no details on anything or personal information, just a yes or no availability to work which is fine...

Cluster fuck was the exact phrase that came to mind when I read that release. I would be funny, if the health and safety of perfermers wasn't involved. :Oh crap

you are pretty much out of line on this one... email me if you want some insight into this...

I've heard from some Talent that Talent Testing Services does not do the same deep testing that AIM did and that a lot of them are refusing to work (condomless) with the current testing models until TTS begins using the same type of tests that AIM did. Anyone have more information on this?

completly untrue... that help?

Of course. Thanks for your response. Since you did respond with that, could you be a little more specific please?

not sure how I could be more specific... TT is a valid source of testing no different than AIm was... we've been using them for some time without any issues or complaints other than locations... I have never heard anyone refuse to work on a TT test in the last year. plenty of FL talent has come out here with a TT test and went straight to work...

Out of line trusting FSC to do HIV testing, or out of line on Talent Testing being OK to go to?

2257 = FAIL
Protect members from FBI inspections = FAIL
.XXX = FAIL
Anti-Piracy protection racket = FAIL
HIV testing = WIN?

I'm not real comfortable with that. And do they really need a 6 person advisory board to run a clinic? Sounds like a red tape money suck waiting to happen. Sort of makes me wonder though, just why the FSC didn't do more to try to stop PWL when they first popped up with AIMS talent DB. But then again, AIM also ignored the fact that their DB was breached until it hit mainstream press, so I guess good riddance. But I am looking forward to seeing who from AIM ends up at this new clinic. Sort of like when Manwin "bought" Mansef, but with a bankruptcy.

Have to agree with NaughtyRob on this one. Why not work to better the existing clinic rather than make a new one?

Does TT have a lot of nation wide satellite draw clinics?

Thanks. Yes, I had never heard of a problem until just recently. Wanted to see what others heard as well. Thanks for your responses!

not as many as we /I would like... they are working on it. nice/sensible bunch of guys

plenty of imagined problems are being blown out of proportion....

you still have no idea what's going on :2 cents:

Probably for the best.

TTS is a good operation. Everyone uses them here on the East Coast.

Without listening to the FSC spin...I've been around a long time. And for the life of me I can't remember one thing that the FSC ever "won".

Every time the govt. came after someone that the FSC was helping....the guy went to jail.

I was shocked when they decided that they were going to try and come up with some kind of deal with tube sites to stop piracy and try and be the "experts" on something that they don't understand when there are already companies like RemoveYourContent.Com who actually know what they are doing. (how's that one going by the way...at least the FSC got to buddy up to Manwin)

And now...they see another possible money grab?

First they were SUPPOSED to be attorneys to defend the adult business against the govt. After a few years they were never successful.
So then they suddenly were experts on piracy (instead of doing something legally to STOP it)
Now they are going to be health professionals when TalentTesting is already kicking ass?

What's next? Now that the Space Shuttle program is ending...does that mean the FSC will start doing space missions? lol

How about this....DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND GET SOME WINS IN THE COURTROOM.

Crazy talk.

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Besides the fact that its important to provide a resource to protect performers and their employers from the spread of infectious disease, am I the only one wondering why an organization like the Free Speech Coalition has something to do with this endeavor?

Brad

Scroll up a few posts and you'll see that I and everybody else are saying the same thing. And the only reason I can come up with is: Money

Everybody wants to milk the fuck out of us instead of providing a testing system that is affordable for the talent. And before anybody tells me any bullshit about it not being too expensive, AIM was charging a lot more than a person can get the test done for themselves.

And that was to pay the staff there some nice salaries. And THAT is what the FSC is looking for too.

I wish they would all go back to law school so maybe they could actually win a case or two against the govt.

Just as much as I keep asking how many CP sites the ASACP has shut down during its entire operation.

For the sake of constructive conversation, can someone with profound knowledge (not just speculation inform us all of what exactly AIM was providing as a service? I presume testing, education, counseling and a confidential mechanism by which studios and talent agencies can ascertain and communicate in the event of various conditions? Very seriously, I would like to know the entire battery of physical examination and blood chemistries run. If it were just blood work, that would be an easily attainable resource. Since this involves the health, safety and complexity of the human element (real lives) in addition to what I would imagine is local health department reporting requirements and possibly continuation of care - to be successful there are likely many layers of the onion.

Without sharing anyone's information, what please is the full battery of chem tests and the list of all else which was previously mentioned above?

Brad

AIM was providing a database of proven tests. In other words it was a way to make sure that people were tested and that the tests weren't faked.

Unfortunately, that also means that peoples medical records (the HIV/STD test) were available to every idiot who called himself a "producer" and got himself a Producers login (which is how Donny Long and his ************* got a lot of girls real names and posted them)

Anyway...AIM didn't test anything. Just like Malicks movie...they were "middlemen"

A performer would go to a draw station (just a lab in most any town that was "approved" by AIM) and pay to have their blood drawn. Then the blood was shipped overnight to a lab that AIM paid to run the tests.

And of course...like all "middlemen" the price was raised accordingly to gain profit from each step.

But it was a viable way for the industry to sort of "police" itself...if by "itself" you mean Sharon Mitchell making money lol
But it did work as far as a producer being able to log in and check a verified test of a performer. Worked real well as a matter of fact.

TalentTesting does the same thing.

As for the test...it wasn't a "full panel". It was just a test for Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Chlamydia, and of course HIV

It wasn't govt. mandated or anything like that. It was presented to the industry as a way to avoid the govt. getting involved...though I'm not sure that was ever gonna happen anyway back then...though it does look like they are trying to get involved now.

How much did it "protect" people? Not much. Tons of porn was shot throughout the 1980's and 1990's when HIV was almost an epidemic. Even up until the early 2000's. No testing and nothing ever happened.

Now in 2011 with HIV cases decreasing across the board...we have kinda convinced ourselves that we can't do without "testing" (hell a lot of performers have never known the industry without it)

It doesn't really do a damn thing. Chances are better that a terrorist will come to Vegas and blow up my house before I catch HIV fucking whores bareback (I'm not kidding...google up the chances of catching HIV from fucking a woman with no condom and then compare it your house getting blown up by terrorists! LOL)

And if you were one of the folks who put great faith that a test is going to "protect" you (when you don't really need "protection") then you have to realize that a person could show up on set to fuck you with a 29 day old AIM test in their hand. lol

Anyway, it was a pretty nice set up for our industry to follow the "testing" mantra. And I'm not saying that getting an STD test is a bad idea. Everyone should do it every once in a while just to make sure.
You can get one from Walgreens for HIV for $59 and alleviate any fears you have.

Yes, indeed, that is the FSC. You would probably have to be a member of the FSC to get tested or to have access to the test.

I would rather see Dr Riggs step up and do testing instead of FSC.

I was curious on what AIM was charging to run the tests and to have your results in the "system"?

""" Then the blood was shipped overnight to a lab that AIM paid to run the tests. """

Way to bump an old as hell, thread now.
The 2 companies currently doing testing also have the blood from out of state tests to their labs, too.
It was not just "an AIM thing".

There was no new threads on AIM etc. so it didn't make sense to start a new one..

I see talenttestingservice.com as one of them, what are the others?

And what do they charge for the service of having it shipped to them, tested, results stored etc.?

:thumbsup for an answer. Anyone care to share?

Link to current testing facilities info:

https://aphss.org/performer-info