Our Industry should be booming!
 

we have more surfers/traffic, better content, faster internet, more payment options, less people scared using CC's...yet we turned a billion dollar industry into a million dollar industry.

for the handful of people who will reply saying you still make coin... that's not the point im trying to make... btw even you should be making more.... much much more !!!
:2 cents:

free trial that bills 140 bucks..and will never let you get out

tubes giving away full length dvds

its crazy

Tubes hurt the biz more then most want to admit.... i can't think of ANY Industry that has a more wanted/popluar product and is giving it all away for free in the hope selling a few ads
and making the odd sale.

the problem is no one is willing to try and compete with tubes and keep bitching about how "its not 2004 anymore!"

although I love this industry, I have to admit ive never seen more people who are so in-tuned to changing technologies but yet refuse to believe that things change. The same designs and 3 page tours that converted back in early 2000's are not going to cut it now.

as far as marketing adult is stuck in a time warp. it's sad. it's crazy how stone age it is compared to the rest of the internet.

note the keyword "should"

2004 should be a shitty year compared to now.... we have more potential customers as horny as ever.....

you guys over analyze the biz... we sell sex and having sex hasn't changed much in 1000's of years, guys still get turned on by Hot babes etc... we do not have to re-invent the wheel
porn will always be in high demand so why give so much away for free.
:2 cents:

lol it's like adult only gives away it's shit for free.

wake up. all intellectual property is available for free in every industry.

and even if everyone agreed to stop giving away shit for free there would be one site ran by someone with no connection to adult and hosted out of china (youporn).

this thread was pointless in 2006 still pointless now.

Should, imagine, if.....

name a few industries that give away as much as we do!!
btw i'm all for giving 30sec clips and pics to consumers to make them ultimately buy memberships to full length HQ movie sites.

who is "we?"

every movie, book, song, knitting pattern, game is available for free and easy to find as well.

:thumbsup

i really have to answer this?

how about this...show me a site owned by a big music or movie studio that gives away all their songs and movies for free ... i'm pretty sure i read about those industries suing sites that did ... why because it cut into their profit margin!

do

who is the we? youporn, hotfile, oron, filesonic, rapidshare ...?

Some of our oldest and simplest tours convert landslides better than our newer ones with the same niche. Does that mean we should start making them look like they were done 8 years ago? not necessarily, but it means that it's more than just a tour issue here.

Spotify stop free service and charging...

I tunes makes money selling...

New York Times and other papers charging....

If it costs money to make it has to be paid for.....

Other industries are making the internet pay, there is no reason why the adult industry should be different.

Although if your product is like everything else out there it might be a tough sell

congrats to the winner :thumbsup

It is booming, isn't it? :O

That may be true for first time purchasers of adult content, but the core group of adult consumers has been screwed over so much in the last few years, they have to more wary of buying than ever before.

Exclusive niche content still converts very good.

Everyone in the adult industry pays full price for every cd and movie. And we never watch anything stolen on youtube. lol right

It is booming except one problem. Its going to about 10-15 companies that know what they are doing.

Everyone else is some half baked program with shit content, no branding and bullshit support and materials.


Fact is...
If you are 1 or 2 guys hanging out in a basement with little to no experience give it up your fukt.
Not saying you wont make it but odd's are stacked against you.
You will have to work much harder to reach a certain point of growth.

Yeah. Not like there's been a global recession for the past few years or anything.

your point is ?

IMO without tubes this biz would be different, even if we still have TGP's MGP's and Torrent sites to look after the freeloaders :winkwink:

You can't really call this an industry, if it is, it's like no other industry that is likely to exist. The only industry where a guy is happy to lose money running his two bit paysite and continues to lose money because he's kidded himself he's a businessman but really he just loves shooting the gonzo and getting his rocks off. Kind of a subsidised escort thing :)
This is prevalent in the UK, don't know about USA. Prior to the tubes I used to bang on about CCbill and Epoch raising their minimum payouts from $25 to..... I dunno $500 as a way of helping the "industry". Maybe that can still help, simple answer is you have to kill the tubes, porn is not just "porn" like "tv" is not just TV. We all watch porn, we all watch TV. Guys will always wank/jerk/fap and will eventually bore of grainy, lagging tube sites and look for new models, themes, fetishes. The tubes need to be killed off before that new cycle starts.

It seems the future of piracy is charging a fee, not more free content.

Seems like the tube sites are actually the old model now.

You could almost say things are looking like they are coming full circle, the only difference is how the content is obtained/created in the first place.

There was a debate recently in the UK about the government "in the name of protecting children" forcing all ISP's to block porn sites by default unless a household opted out. Usual arguments (rightly) about the logistics and civil liberties ensued. Alongside that was BBC radio and TV programs banging on about the harm "porn" was doing young men, how often they watched it and the effect on their relationships etc etc. Turned out they were all just jacking off to "tube" sites, they weren't paying for it. I thought what a Utopia we could have, only block all the major tube sites, help protect the kids and boost the UK adult industry, all at the same time.

This is a nice spot on summary.

There is still room for the small independent niche providers. But you have to KNOW your market very well. You also need to know a thing or two about effectively marketing and promotion or traffic generation.

There are more things out there taking the attention away from porn. Many men (not myself) can jerk off to a half naked FB profile picture or video. Others can blow nut from a few nip action shots from MFC or some similar site. If you can get off easily like the under 25 crowd, you're fucked.

1. They do not pay for anything.
2. They can get off by the wind blowing.
3. Traditionally this segment doesn't buy.

As I have said in many other threads. You should be spending your time and energy on that demographic who DOES BUY and stop worrying about all the others who will NEVER EVER pay for shit. They have it hard wired it should be free, and will find ways to get it for free.

Not everyone will do this. Those who think 'everyone' does it is wrong.
:2 cents:

Tecnically we don't sell sex. We try to convince people to pay for something that is naturally free.

You fucked with there trust...just saying......And I still believe, every day!

Free, is just another word for...Love you Janis!
find your niche, live it, love it, promote it, and earn the trust of the ones that search you out, and own it with the same passion you would hope they expect.

Too much free content all over the Fucking place

The problem is Big studio / Content provider don't do shit, they are not suing the tube sites owners...

the "mainstream music and movie industry" don't fuck around.
try opening a site with Full length movies from 20th Century Fox or Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and see what happens

Ending full rips on tubes and shutting down thieves who steal our collective content then make their own pay sites would go along way in improving everyone's ratios... too many rats in the biz now though.

that i don't agree with, i'm sure there's a good % of surfers who "may" pay for porn if they didn't have access to full length clips on tube sites :2 cents:

Kevin, you're singing my song.

For 10 years and maybe more we spent a lot of money to teach porn consumers NOT to pay for porn.

Now the vast majority don't.

And we don't have a clue what to do.

The big companies will be fine for a while, then they will suffer. Porn will become more and more a cottage industry.

However some think it's fine. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1021006&page=5

It's hard to convince people to pay for something they can get easily for free.

My avarage ratio this month is :
0:14563 on my primary sponsor
I also have 0:7650 for one of my another sponsors.

I see slow down :( and don't knwo what to do every month I pay server , every year domains , every day traffic but if I don't have sales will die and the big ones will get my traffic is this normal ? I think yes this is monopolization ... big plants the expense of dying little :mad:

Bingo. Also this has turned the UK side on it's head now with the skankiest looking models anywhere on the planet while kerb crawlers keep their socks on for a blowjob holding a camera. Looking around the UK business now is pretty disappointing.

Even the big ones will suffer. They will pick up your traffic with declining returns, which will in turn become their declining returns.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/free.jpg

I personally can't see the connection in the two stats. :1orglaugh

Do yo have any insights into what signup ratios these sites are getting?

http://www.giganews.com
http://www.newshosting.com
http://www.usenetserver.com
http://www.easynews.com
http://www.supernews.com

Etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, not like the good old days of the 90s, when some of the big players of today, who complain most about their own copyright, got rich running BBSs and websites with material they scanned from magazines, capped from videos or just stole from some other site.

That was different though, right?

Adult killed adult

Adult always was the trendsetter on the internet with new technologies, solutions and payment systems. ( thats why i got involved ) Every internet company adapted those technologies and solutions. Then adult started something new, something revolutionary, they started to give away all the content for free.
wow
The visitors didn't have to go through illegal sites anymore, use strange programs to download stuff, no more weird tools to install like toolbars or search programs.
Nope adult had a better solution, lets put it all online for free!!

That's were mainstream draw the line, no free stuff.

Unless some great new technology comes around or some other genius stuff, adult killed adult!
my :2 cents:

you're right, we have a gold-mint in our hands and we're making it produce copper instead. It's sad

every thread that has this has you commenting the same thing. and last i checked you weren't affiliate, pushing traffic, or have your own site at all. easy to comment from the outside looking in no?

I share your opinion, just ask yourself what was the latest tech/marketing innovation brought by the adult industry. All innovations are now born in mainstream.

Tech innovations? Such as how many ways can the surfer get fucked by supplying a credit card? Thats where alot of innovation efforts went.

People heralded them "Pioneer's as smart business men and innovators.:1orglaugh

I call them common thieves.

the latest...its more a marketing trick as i said, give it away for free

Hear that Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Hotbot, Excite, Mosaic?

I'm talking about real tech innovations that have been adapted by mainstream companies and not about banging the surfer.

The surfer now a days is smart and have plenty of other ways to spend his online time and only supplies his credit card if he likes the product/service or feels trusted.

Yeah indeed the latest innovations are giving away as much for free as possible

Have to adapt, plain and simple