Services like Xrumer, do they really work?
 

Never have used any blackhat seo services before,

but always wondered if they did more damage than good.

I know a lot of so called "legit" SEO services do tend to use frowned upon blackhat type of methods to induce faster results.. but I'm wondering are any of these results long lasting? Surely when the sudden influx of backlinks stops SE's will pick up on it right?

Once you build backlinks at a steady rate for a period of time, and then stop, doesn't that usually hurt your rankings?

It works, but it depends on how you use it. It will be short-term if you don't know what you are doing, but if you know what you are doing it can work very well, but it's always risky

I mean,

there is no way you can sustain those kinds of volume on backlinks.. so I don't see how would you camouflage something like that to blend in for the long term. At the same rate, SEO obviously isn't my strong point.

I understand your logic on the "why share a cash cow" point, but the same goes for a lot of services that do offer resources that you can generate profit from. Traffic brokers, legit SEO companies, etc.. you always figure, well why are they selling it if it works so well. But in some cases, albeit a few, can render real results.

I have noticed that some blogs don't really need backlinks to rank in the top 10. But not catching your point on the anchor text.

Nobody said the BL's would be outstanding, but what if they did garner results? Un-impressive as the backlinks are. Usually when I investigate a site I see thriving in a sub niche somewhere, the backlinks are usually shit 9 times out of 10.

backlinks > no backlinks

If xrumer scares you, maybe you should try SENukeX. I use both, along with some custom softwares.

Interesting topic. Bookmarking

Save your money. That software will only hurt your rankings.

bullshit

Ask Sally Rand, he knows all about that shit

very very risky

Jesus H Christ

I'm trying to get better at organic seo for our sites - I'm not a newbie at seo but
Any recommendations on how to broaden our knowledge and keep current?

For the server guy: You aren't sharing a cash cow. You are selling backlinks that are a few clicks of a button. You take someones $5, $10,$15 whatever and you cut and paste into one spot and click a button. Do this 20 times a day and even at the small rate you are making enough bank to set you up great in most third and second world countries.

For the buyer: As a test of what it can do? For perhaps $75 you can make a real go of it. Done correctly you can see that buying it might be worth it to you. Or it might not and then you'd know it will not be.

For the seller again: He made his money whether or not it worked for you or not.

No matter what you do, you wil get complaints from someone, sometime. Sort f depends on whether or not you want to dance with Google and WAIT for traffic or if you want to DRIVE traffic to your sites.

An easy way to put it:

Are you like a vulture waiting for something to die:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...77/Vulture.jpg

Or are you like this guy who has decided to go ut and KILL something?:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...nting-wolf.jpg

I do recommend that you purchase Xrumer services as the learning curve for Xrumer is pretty steep.

Scrapebox is much easier and wilil get you tons of links and any link is better than no link.

I just sent you an email, hit me up when you have time :thumbsup

short term solution, if you want to get your domain blacklisted, sure tryit.

Sally Rand knows all about marketing, for proof look at this successful site he runs.

www.adultadsusa.com

Obviously he knows his shit, this site just overflows with his success in this area! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I think I'll start doing some free promo work for AdultKing via Xrumer and Scrapebox.

It would be the least I could do considering all the fine support AdultKing has lent to me on this forum.

Whattaya think?

I know some good SEO back doors

Did google panda have an effect on xrumer? Seems like that was that kind of SE gaming that lead to the update, and would have decreased the effect of the software. Matt Cutts said there was still a way to game it, but of course that is supposed to be confidential. Still I wouldn't put it past the black hat guys to already be on the ball with this, even months ago. Clever mother fuckers.

Not really. If anything, sites with a ton of incoming forum profile link generated by xrumer are doing better than ever. Sites with a lot of articles links or weak content got hammered by panda.

In one of the niches I am going for, on the first page of google 7 sites are on Russian hosting, presumably owned by russians and 90% of theit incoming links are xrumer spam. The content on half of them is stale or very obviously spam content.

But google is STILL xrumers bitch, and if anything it's getting worse. You have to be careful using it, because if you do it in the wrong way google will ban your domain.

Ya think?

Its an effective tool to get your competition banned.

Not bullshit. You might get a short term pop, but you are likely to permantently kill your domain in google. Seen it happen many times.

Had it happen. So yeah, great tool to kill your sites or those of your competition if you wanted too.

Great posts JHC, i can say ive learned a lot from them over the past few years

Jesus,

really want to thank you for going out of your way to provide such clarity on the matter.

I do understand yours winks about the kw research as well, an angle which I had initially overlooked being a bit green about the full dynamics of SEO from the start.

So basically what your saying is:

unless you know your complete SEO gameplan from start to finish, and have the perfect place for a service like Xrumer woven in to your network, do not use it.

For people like me who are just getting into SEO, it wouldn't be a sound idea at all. Especially if I value my domains/sites and don't want them banned permanently.

I can also see how the Panda update might not necessarily be a bad thing at all for Xrumer, as the service does make your sites look popular.

Here is a question:

What if your goal is completely short term, and you don't care about the domain/site/content getting blacklisted from google? Surely there are a lot of success stories of people who use these services for "hit and run" type of sales. As discouraging as it might be to have your sites blacklisted, if you have a minimal investment of time/money and your generating targeted traffic, could you eek out a living?

That is a scary thought,

but sounds totally possible. Someone buys that service for your domains with the sole intention of fucking you.. Surely there is a way to deny that to google?

Hit you up Ms. Marina,

sorry about the delay.. but was going to contact you (as well as a few others) soon, just getting back into the routine of things as of late. So nice to see you around!

With the Panda update, the Xrumer and SEnukeX services are becoming weaker and weaker. Just remember that 1,000 low quality links from this is usually the equivalent of 1 high quality link from a relevant website.

So go out searching for the high quality links, you wont get blacklisted and you get long term rankings

It sure can be and there are indeed those out there offering just such services!

That would be an extremely serious mistake on your part. Now you have made such a threat, I will be sure to lay blame at your feet if any fluctuation occurs in any of our sites rankings. If I were you I would pull my head in.

Oh no. Who did it to you?

that is another worry, if you are using adsense and google notices and manually reviews you and decides you have a scraped and spammed up the ranks site/network, I wonder if you will get your adsense banned for life on top of the sites being crushed, a lot can be lost by carelessness and/or greed.... too bad adsense is so good and tempting because it interconnects and leaves tracks for everything