For all the money you guys supposedly made in porn...
 

you piss and moan an awful lot...

tubes, .xxx, payouts... whine whine whine

you are whining about whining. fuck off. back to digital point.

what is this digital point you speak of?

and perhaps you should invest time in a better retort...

i think i am going to nominate you for GFY Loser of the Year

Your avatar is melting my brain.

is it that fact that my name is JohnRingo yet the picture goes Ringo then John... I get that all the time

you aren't even in the business. move on.

let it be.

neither are you... how those affiliate domains selling? who the funk cares what an affilaite domain is... shoveitupyourassbucks.com is still available BTW

I'm not sure i follow what you are trying to say?

Just because someone has "made money" in porn we should be fine with aspects of this business that are hurting our bottom line?

If I was a millionaire and something came along and started to hurt my business I'd complain. Just because you are "well off" does not mean you don't care about your industry. :2 cents:

the one's who survive don't complain... they adapt or die... that's business... if you can't handle it... GFY or maybe they should change the name of this forum to BCB (broke cry babies)

just another genius from digital point or warrior forum who thinks they are going to revolutionize online adult.

Have you been to some of these panels at the trade shows? Some of the most successful people in the business sit on the panels and complain...

I think you just have to learn how to separate those that are constructively bitching from those that just like to hear themselfs ;)

digital point digital point digital point...

dude... you are a broken record

fucking dinosaurs... die already...

lamenting the good old days... i spend an hour a day on my sites and make more than 99% of the people out there...

I honestly don't think you really think you are in the 1% of this industry. You are quit the character tho :)

Warrior Forum is the worst, it's like everyone on there is brainwashed. They always buy those WSO or whatever they're called. They should rename it to "Groupthink Forum" :1orglaugh

yes going on about article marketing gives it away.

Funny thing is, you hate us here, you hate adult webmasters, and obviously look down on us all

yet.....

YOU ARE HERE, spending your time, and already with 188 posts LOL

now that says a lot about who's the bigger loser in this thread ;)

loose whores... the lot of ya

Can we see a picture of your balls, at least?

i blame tubes for all... :pimp

This is a silly thread. When you are used to making $300k per year for years and then your income drops to $100k, why would it be strange to talk amongst your friends on a forum about the present problems that the industry faces? Sometimes it's cathartic to bitch about stuff, and sometimes people cone up with ideas to help fix those problems. It's a community, and people talk about issues in the business, among other things... What do you have a problem with? Are you in the business, of just a surfer?

Yes They Remain wankers

I agrre with you in this one.
Lots of whining by supossed porn gurus here.

But stilll.....


















Go back to digital point dude...

Few are going to survive.

You're right though. Point is most didn't make that much. They like to make out they did.

Spot on with the adapt or die comment. They can see they're heading for a brick wall and do nothing to change course, other than open a Tube site. The masters of adaptation have left the house. :1orglaugh

I'm sad to see a once great industry reduced to this. Yes the good old day. :1orglaugh

It's go to suck knowing you missed the boat, huh?

Crying about people crying.

Little girl shit.

Why wouldn't we be upset over less revenue coming in daily? I don't care how much money a company made in the past...it's all about growth and making more money.

If that isn't something to piss and moan and whine about then what is?

It's a legit gripe.

Most of us can chew gum and walk at the same time and are perfectly capable of finding ways to make money in this climate and still bitch about thieves at the same time. :)

I would love to have played in this industry in the 90s... pretty sure I could have made a killing. to bad I was too young then :(

It was good. But we made even MORE money in the 2000's. I did everything revshare. So my income kept growing exponentially every year as rebills compounded.

Now here's where my "whining" kicks in: Piracy not only killed sales...but killed rebills too.

Sites that grew big and DMCA heavy in the 2000s started off by stealing and selling other people's shit in the 1990s - which I know, so everyone here must know - so acting like "piracy" is some new evil is ... weird.

The real difference between the good ol' 90s and now is that in the good ol' 90s there were *cue number pulling from ass* about 25 porn sites in the world, whereas now there's about 25 billion porn sites in the world.

It doesn't a take a genius to know that more competition = lower prices, special offers, free stuff, and generally harder business.

That's a nice sounding synopsis. But that ain't how it played out. Piracy went through the roof in 2008 and is now completely out of control.

Nobody was stealing full member sites and giving it away for free to millions of people while monetizing it on pre-paid ads in the past.

If you had been around in the 90's you would have seen for yourself how things worked and how we made our money. And every year the money grew and grew rigtht up until the middle of 2009 when paysite rebills started falling along with sales.

It's not "competition" that we are talking about...it's STEALING.

Why bother with ads when you could simply scan copyrighted magazines, cap copyrighted videos - or, if you were really lazy, just loot Usenet newsgroups, before spamming the same pics back there with your URL pasted on - and then stick all that content you just stole behind an AVS/membership area as if it's yours to sell?

the last person i heard say retort was samuel jackson. and there is no money in porn :thumbsup

I had a free promo site up from like 1994, while publishing magazines, but I was motivated to start paysites by all the folks scraping my free sites and scanning my print publications and posting them without credit.

Winners win, complainers complain.

Difference in that and what's happening now is like comparing a mosquito bite to a nuclear bomb.

If u don't think article marketing works then u are showing your true colora

And instead of filing copyright complaints affiliates send tools here to promote their junk products. My best converting sponsor wouldn't be caught dead on GFY

Well the entire internet then, especially the web, was a mosquito compared to today. You could probably fit the entire WWW of the mid 90s on a memory stick. Twice.

In the 90s, major offline porn dinosaurs hadn't even caught on to the net and were oblivious to the wholesale scanning/vidcapping/distribution/selling of their shit, and the DMCA wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eye. So in some ways things were worse back then for copyright owners. It was lawless.

'Pirates' collecting entire websites is also nothing new. People were doing it over a decade ago, with 99% of people still on dialup, picture set by picture set, via newsgroups. As cable and DSL use grew from the late 90s, so did the uploads from image sets to compressed/edited porn clips to unedited full scenes, to full CDs/DVDs.

As to why your sales have dropped since 2008/2009... What planet are you living on? One where there wasn't a global financial meltdown?

Oh boy, another newb who thinks he knows everything ... who will disappear as quickly as he came. A failure walking in the door and a failure walking out.

And even years before that your magazines may have been, like many others were, scanned and sold on membership BBSs.

Been here for years bud. But spent my time diversifying, evolving and now laughing at the lot of u

The BBS folks tended to give credit. One of our early articles was on this thing called a "GIF" (:1orglaugh) which allowed BBS posting. The Usenet folks did not give credit, at least at first. Eventually, there were Usenet songs written about my partner. I personally didn't post because the Usenet thing of thanking strangers for posting scans and being dicks to people posting work they actually created . . . well, it made me sad.

Diversifying and evolving.

Uh...doesn't that just happen in life naturally? Since when did that become a career? :1orglaugh

What do you do? Skill set? Own anything?

My 5 year old nephew diversified and evolved in kindergarten this year lol

Just fucking with you...it's just that I'm jaded after reading GFY for years and seeing posters come on here with vague descriptions of themselves with nothing to back it up.

Really??

Of course not. I probably pay more in taxes each year than he's made in his entire adult life...and since he's probably a teenager that isn't very long. :1orglaugh

The 2000s were probably my best years as well.

The reason for the problems today isn't piracy. It's this industries inability to compete with it.

Nothing has changed in 12 years to what we do. Build a cheap site, spend a fortune throwing traffic at it and let the devil care.

The fact that affiliates were earning so much shows the problem. Sponsors were left with too little to build up their business with. You were on Revshare, 50% or 60% or more?

Paying out that kind of money to anyone who does little than direct people looking for porn to porn is ludicrous. But is became a game of leap frog. Until the leapers hit the brick wall.

The problem today is to much free porn and too little reasons to get a credit out. That was the same when you were making millions. If your sites or efforts were converting 1-100 of the surfers consuming the product. You were feeding 99 with a reason not to by.

Complaining about how you can't make a living today because of free porn, what ever guise it is, is ironic.

Once the Adult Internet adopted the business plan of giving away free content to get surfers to view free sites, so some would buy porn and spend more on this than on often everything else combined, the route to today was set.

It was teaching people a bad precedent, that porn is free. however I see why they did it. Even in 200 people selling porn were saying "Why does anyone buy, when so much is available for free?"

The only thing that held the system in check was hosting and BW costs. We all knew that unless a gallery and tour were good, BW costs on a gallery on a major TGP site could cost more than it made. When advertising a product costs more than it returns, then it's a sign something is wrong. Unless the product is real crap. Then few will sit and view the free images.

Still the ladder was placed in front of us and we happily climbed it.

It began with 10 images on a gallery and the top of the ladder is whole sites being given away. OK that's pirated content, so let's for a moment be dreamers and dream that tomorrow piracy online disappears.

99% of those pirating will end up on Tubes. In fact dreaming 1-100 will suddenly switch to buying is dreaming as well. Robbie might find a small increase in sales, as he has Claudia Marie and if she is exceptional she might pull in a few buyers.

For most here they don't have a unique product. They have the same stuff being given away for free on Tubes. Very few sites have a great product, very few have a unique product.

Is that because the industry was too complacent 5-10 years ago when seemingly money was slushing into online porn. Or was it slushing out just as fast to pay affiliates?

I find it ironic that someone who made so much money giving porn away is now complaining too much is being given away.

This is very very true.

100s here talk the talk and with no proof.

Been here for years bud. But spent my time diversifying, evolving and now laughing at the lot of u"

No one has diversified and evolved in online porn. They just copied what has been done before. Or invented better ways to give away free porn. Proof or it leaves us thinking OH YEAH????

Someone who knows nothing about offline porn posting again.

The offline magazines were well aware of it.

Collecting a whole website on a dial up. :1orglaugh

You mean downloading 5 videos and 10 images sets that were so compressed it was hardly worth the trouble. Early websites, as you point out, were not even mosquitoes compared to today sites.

As for the financial Melt Down. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What caused the melt down of online porn was the slow down growth of online surfers in countries worth selling to, saturation of free and paid for porn and the end game of free porn. Tube sites.