harper is taking canada backwards
 

Just a few of the gems our good friend harper will introduce mandatory minimums for, no doubt putting many canadians behind bars for the first time

- six month minimum for six marijuana plants
- two years minimum for selling drugs to anyone under 18 or selling near a school or any other place people under 18 are (??)


Canada's crime rate is its lowest since 1973, so why introduce harsher crime laws? We need to keep prisons busy so they don't have to lay people off and shut some down. Pot arrests and other minor crime arrests are up, why? Cops now have nothing better to do.

Fuck you Harper.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/08/25/too-many-cops/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2136102/

so having a grow op and selling to minors should be fines then? come on...

that is nothing compared to south of the border...

if you want to do it small time for personal use then stick to 5 plants at the most then :2 cents:

some of the things they are going to pass i can agree with, mandatory minimums for child molesters, etc but in an age when the tolerance, acceptance and even promotion of pot for medical reasons is at an all time high, why lump it in with 'organized crime' and the like. the only reason 'organized crime' is at all attracted to it is because its illegal in the first place.

its just going to make a bunch of people who were previously not criminals enter the prison system and come out as criminals. six plants or 200 plants, the minimum would be the same, so what does that accomplish?

For marijuana? I would say yes, they should be fines for first offence. Considering the stuff should be legal in the first place.

I can see selling the harder stuff to minors having a harsh mandatory minimum though.

edit: just noticed the 6 plants stipulation, that I could live with.

You actually think it should be okay to sell dope to minors? Really?

Even if weed was legal it would not be legal to sell to kids. Can kids buy beer, wine and whiskey?

No but mandatory minimums don't work. An 18 year old selling to a 17 year old would have the same mandatory minimum as a 53 year old selling to a 11 year old. every case is different and should be treated as such, in my opinion.

Ya, but should there be a mandatory minimum 6 months in jail for selling it to them? I'm not up on the laws but I'm pretty sure they don't hand out sentences like that for selling cigs and booze to kids. More like a fine and possible liquor license suspension for a couple weeks, etc.

i agree based on that example.
each case needs to be looked at separately and by the judge/prosecution. Mandatory sentences dont often fit what is needed.

although...if you are growing for personal use i think you dont need 6 plants...try 1-2
if you are a drug dealer and you setup shop across the road from a school, then fuck you...lol

Though I do agree that 'dope' should not be sold to minors... weed is not 'dope'. Dope is manufactured, weed is not... Again, beer and whiskey is manufactured... weed is NOT!

Its good ... for the upcoming privatization of the prison system, one of the goals of Harper .

He's also cut spending on national childcare, funding for women's advocacy programs, food and water safety inspection, just off the top of my head, and managed to avoid cutting the tax breaks he once said he would to the big oil interests that probably funded his career.

The rich are getting richer in Canada under Harper, despite global economic downturns, and the wage earners are earning less.

It's about raising the criminality "rate", creating more criminals, to justify his incomprehensible (considering the stats) prison expansion plan among other "benefits" to his belief system.

He's probably got a lot of friends waiting to "blind bid" on those prison contracts, like the water filters he was supposed to provide the first nations communities a while ago....

His party is more obviously, overtly corrupt than any other I can think of.

:D

I simply do not know how to respond to that ignorant statement ...
( Five minutes later and I am still :1orglaugh at you )

I grew 5 huge weed plants this year. I'm safe.

The man is always trying to hold us down

crime is much worse than it was a couple decades ago, and the liberalized legal system is most of the reason, too many slaps on the wrist or no investigation at all for so much crime these days, career criminals are in and out of jail so fast if they go to jail at all and then back doing crime

Yep, thats my fucking retard country for yeah

Yeah, look to the states dude, seriously, lets make our laws tuffer and be like there criminal system. LOL

Then why, according to studies and stats, are experts saying crime levels are the lowest since 1973?

I do not like marijuana. I know some teenagers can deal with it, but others not. They get so aggressive.

You watch too much right-wing news or something.

The fact is crime rates are going down across the board, except for gang-related crimes (which would probably be due to decreased spending to impoverished communities and increased illegality and trafficking of drugs across the borders).

Get some facts, stop watching Global TV or where ever you're getting your "impressions" - http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...007005-eng.pdf

The correctional system is obviously not perfect and the judiciary stuck to outmoded laws, and still the rates are declining.

Note that there hasn't been a comprehensive Statcan review of crime rates since Harper took office - and he likes it that way - and he's basically cut the census to shreds for various reasons - but other, independent studies also track the continued trend.

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I get my impressions by walking down the streets that are 1000 times more dangerous than they were when I grew up there, the "gangsta" mentality is way way worse than it was :2 cents:

also forget about the cops ever concerning themselves or solving any crimes that might happen to you if your car gets broken into or your office gets broken into

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neither of these are the argument here.. it is illegal.


selling to minors is a crime anywhere, even in your precious amsterdam. having a minimum for this is a complete no brainer... 18 selling to a 17 year old? of course they can make exceptions for shit like that, but that isn't the problem it is aiming at is it?


No one on this planet needs 6 plants or more to help supplement their 'medical use' needs. If they have 6 or more they are selling something that is illegal. Setting a mandatory is an obvious move, and 6 months is nothing compared to the US so the comparison is ludicrous.

What does it accomplish? A deterrent. It makes it less worth while to do this. Simple as that. No, it doesn't stop it, but that is not the goal and never has been.

yep good they should thow all drug dealers and users in jail and throw away the fucking key.

Why ? because these drug dealers pay no fucking tax but make large amounts of cash and they get people hooked on this shit who then become a total waste and a burdan to society.

The people who buy this shit are only helping the dealers to get rich and defrauding the Gov out of taxes.

Drug dealers and buyers are like the people who steal content but they are fucking stealing from the GOV

Chuck all of them in fucking Jail they are a waste of space

gotta fill those brand new prisons somehow

That's kinda what I was saying about the gang-related stuff.

They're too busy busting drug users :P

:D

This is stupid, anyone here thinks that weed is any worse the alcohol you should get your head examined and if a law is more important than simple freedoms then something else is wrong. Everything retaining to marijuana should be decriminalized. Srew what our neighbosr think on that subject. Let the Americans sleep in there own bed on that one. Lets not follow them!

Did you guys know, Harper is the 2nd most popular Prime Minister ever, after Trudeau ? So He must be doing something right:2 cents::thumbsup

wtf you talking about crime has been on a decline for years now in canada.

just how much taxes are YOU comfortable with paying to pay for all this welfare you want the government to hand out?

forget about the socialist attack on the oil companies and the rich, that's not the point - the important part is you want the average hard working Canadian taxpayer to pay for everybody else's childcare and womens advocacy programs and god knows what else. you're a complete socialist.

Ban weed ban alcohol BAN IT ALL... its all evil and a drain on society They should behead any drug dealers for tax fraud and all users should be sent to hard labour for helping defraud the gov taxes

6 plants..

Let me show you six plants.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...-6-25-days.jpg

2 years in jail for you!

But those are small veg plants..

What about clones?

Here's 4 clones..

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Gall...m/Clones_1.jpg

Here's a plant that's ready to go into flower stage (day 6 of flower, 41 days after sprouting.. that looks like amazing growth for 41 days, huge leaves, big light, no crowding, big pot, soil)

http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...nt_1_Day_6.jpg

And then 2-3 months after that, you're ready to cut them

http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1...s/ub150000.jpg

Then you have to dry and cure them properly, another several weeks to several months.

Problem!!

If you do the whole thing from start to finish and then start all over again (consecutive style) it takes way longer. You need to have separate areas for veg and flower because of the light cycle differences, AND, there can't be light transfer between the two or the plants get confused about whether they're resting or growing in the night time.

So you need to have a cycle, otherwise your flower room is just in downtime for months at a time. That means you need a lot more than 6 plants. You'll regularly have clones, veg plants, flower plants and stuff drying and curing all at the same time.

One of the better systems is to do a 2 week schedule with 2 lights, so every 2 weeks you're cloning, moving things down the line, and harvesting plants on one day. Rinse and repeat every 2 weeks.

Sound like a lot of work? It is.. And so you want to have more than 6 plants to make it worthwhile (even if you're keeping it for yourself).

ROFL, Nothing, and I repeat nothing is more of a "evil and a drain on society" than Religion. If you wanna dumb down that route.

I can understand your option on weed and alcohol since your clearly are some dumb fox news viewer, but please, pick up a book, and read it.

People need there relax'ers, pure and simple.

Now if you wanna discuss about what should happen to "real" drugs being sold that ruin Families and create crime then by all means, lets lock up the coke dealer, H dealers, Meth dealers and soo on. But its completely ridiculous to go after something innocent like weed and alcohol.
Taking a responsible amount of a very unharmful drug toward others outside of oneself is not worth crying to the world like its the end of the world.

Got proof ?:helpme

Did they do the poll at a private golf club charity fundraiser social event?

you trollin? the government is part of the largest drug ring in the world. the legal perscription drug trade. they are drugging your children, among many others but of course you have no problem with that.

I never troll Down with dealers and users :mad: ...Gov never lie to us

Religion rocks :thumbsup

i could understand that if they banned alcohol...i would much rather people were not allowed to do something that made them violent and lose all inhibitions than smoke weed and giggle and maybe laugh a little

"socialist" attack on oil companies? How about the oil companies' attacks on coastlines environment? People at the expense of profits is ok?

You're ok with these people paying less tax than you, and then having the government bust unions or cut social security programs, things that pay for themselves and are voluntary?

Yeah, I want every child in the country to get a basic level of health care, whether or not the parents can afford it.

When our government stops rewarding companies that ship jobs and production to other countries, maybe the social programs that do come out of pocket won't be necessary.

But if the squeeze continues, you'll get more poor, jobless, hungry, desperate people out there either ready to explode like they have been in many other countries, or preying in our parks turning our neighbourhoods into 'hoods.

"complete" is a little strong, I'd have to check out the definition. But socialistic? Definitely.

I think ideally it should be a balance between socialistic and capitalistic systems, one tempering the other.

Seriously? Its not for smoking weed or having a bit on you. Its to prevent grow houses and selling dope to (or near) minors. WTF? I personally think the sentences should be way the fuck harsher than they're proposing. A LOT of homes have been destroyed near where I live - and many industrial units, as well - because some asshole leased the property for the sole purpose of having an urban greenhouse to grow their cash crops.

Living in B.C., you should have a clue about the damage grow houses cause not only to the property owners, but their neighbours and community.

You want to grow some pot? Fine, have a few plants for personal use. Wanna sell some to your friends? Make sure they're adults and don't do it near a school.

yes, but if you do it all right and optimize for the method of running max 5 plants, you could easily figure it out to produce a few pounds a year which would be much more than enough for one person even if they are a very heavy toker :2 cents:

not sure if trolling or you're fucking retarded. weed does not make people aggressive, alcohol does, and that's perfectly legal.

Know of any one producing alchool in their basement ???

Legalize the shit ! = no more organized crime , no more petty crime ...

BTW, I do not smoke weed, but I do enjoy a nice glass of Beaujolais !

I agree with you on that, but politically that is probably still a ways away