why would the USA veto palestinian statehood?
 

what is more hypocritical then this veto...when US boots are literally fighting, dying for the "freedom" of Iraqis, afghanis.

& why even bother with this veto when israel & the american jews already hate obama. How many times has israel embarassed obama. I don't understand why israel is endlessly rewarded for their treatment of palestinians.

enlighten me o GFY :winkwink:

The border proposed would be suicide for the Jews. They are totally indefensible and all of the surrounding states which have wanted to destroy Israel from day one, would do so very quickly. And now, let the revision of history and the Jew hating begin!!! LOL!

Better question is why does the US have a say in it at all?

I see the guy above this post always pushing for smaller government, but this is the biggest government move there can be.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Israeli is without fault here. They are trying to grab as much land as they can.

But not every nationality or race has the right to self determination and statehood. Look at the Basque and the Amish - They have their own culture, and while they have their own rules they follow the laws of the country (or in the case of the Basque the "countries") they are located in.

I'm not saying that the Palestinians don't deserve statehood. However, the moment a rocket is launched from this new country, it's no longer a minor terrorist attack - it's an act of war. Once the Palestinians have their own country, they have to operate by international law. (In concept so does Israel really.)

The Palestinians create a country, rocket attacks continue, and eventually Israel will invade - and finally take the last of the land by force. The only way this will work is if the Palestinians can stop all of the rocket attacks and terrorist attacks.

Good answer.

And there's more. The Israelis will have to get out of the land they occupied by putting towns and farms on stolen land, which makes the "defense" excuse void. No one puts houses and farms on land that's a buffer between you and your enemies unless you're pretty sure they can't or won't do squat.

The problem goes way back and based on the Old Testament.

Abraham, I told you it goes way back, was the head of a nomadic tribe of herdsman. Him and his cousin Lott fell out and Lott left the tribe and took his family to Sodom. We know that part. Well Lott and his two surviving daughters were alone in a cave and had sex. The girls got pregnant and the 2 sons were the fathers of the Canaanites.

So fast forward a few centuries.

Moses took the Children of Israel from Egypt, you know that one as well. Then God told them the land of the Canaanites was theres and they were to kill all the Canaanites who opposed them. Even gave them the plans to The Ark which was a Weapon of Mass Destruction and made walls fall down so they could kill the Canaanites and all their goats, beasts and dogs also. On Gods orders to take the land he had given them.

Also empowered people like Joshua, David and Solomon and all the rest to make sure they kept the land they were given by God.

Which didn't count for squat when the Babylonians invaded Israel and again enslaved the in Babylon and they decided to write the Talmud while there. And tell it the way they wanted it to be.

So basically, this tribe of wandering nomads, grew big enough to conquer the Canaanites land, kill all who stood in their way and they were blameless, because God told them to. :upsidedow

Of course if you look for actual evidence of what's in the Old Testament in Exodus, you find an amazing lack of evidence to back it up. The Egyptian never wrote a thing about Moses and all that part, plagues were and are common in that part of the world. Joshua lived at the wrong time for the bringing down the walls of Jericho, which was built on a fault line and suffered from earth quakes and a lot more of his conquests are bogus claims, no one has ever found proof or evidence of the Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah can be explained easily. The region is covered with oil and gas deposits.

It's a book of fiction which they base their rights on.

If you look at the history of Israel, the Israelis have no real rights to it. Definitely not on the wishes of any God. They stole it from one tribe, repeatedly could never keep it until they got massive support from the US. The number of people who occupied the land include the Egyptians, Babylonians, Hittites, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Turks, Germans, English and now a bunch of Jewish nomads from mainly Europe and then across the world and now call it their homeland.

It was always home to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Now Israel wants to change that.

You can argue who has the rights to what land until your blue in the face, but possession is nine tenths of the law. Japan and Russia have been fighting over the Kuril Islands since the close of WW2.

I think it's all pointless anyhow. The population of Israel is 20% Arab and increasing daily. Eventually there will be more Arabs living in Israel than Jews. Then what?

So when they get kicked out again, it will be fine?

It's a pity people don't agree with you. Like GWB and Obama and the rest of the world. Just leave the oppressors where they are because they are where they are.

Maybe I have higher ideals.

do you really think that? what then do you say to thomas jefferson...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

do the palestinians have a right to liberty?

No !!! Only Libyans ... because .. they ... heuuuhhh .... have OIL !!!!

eventually you will have just another country with an oppressed majority, like saddam husseins Iraq, apartheid south africa, Syria.

not all people are free, & america cannot free all people. But isnt resolving the palestinian status a national interest of the US, given that conflict is a root cause of animosity between the US & the muslim world. Why is Israel so sacrosanct. Its democracy is limited to a specific race of people. & their extremists run wild with no respect for even israeli law.

another quote from the declaration of independence...

Its seems as though the USA picks & chooses when to aspire to ideals set forth in the founding documents. But as demonstrated by the US civil war, sometimes the US needs to fight its allies (israel) in order to live up to those ideals.

As lincoln said about aspiring to our declaration...

Zionist infiltration in America.

If there is a state, Isarel will create fake terror if there isn't any real terror and blame it on the arabs to justify war. They dressed like Arabs when they bombed the king david hotel, they dressed like arabs when they were bombing american targets in the lavon affair, the USS liberty attack was supposed to be blamed on Egypt, but it didn't go according to plan.

How many times haven't they been caught?

Israel is not totally indefensible and the surrounding states have not wanted to destroy Israel from day one. Please continue to get your news from the American Zionist media.

Ariel Sharon stated:
"Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."

"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate."

-- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".

"I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential Jewish people in the country"

-----Sec. of State John Foster Dulles quoted on p.99 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

Obama and his whole administration are zionists.

Oh right Sperbonzo, the pretendaJew has to chime in on this. Revision of history? You mean like how Israel gases the Palestinians? Or were you referring to the way the Palestinians have to go through checkpoints wherever they go? Or were you referring to the countless Palestinian infants that Israel has murdered?

How would the border be indefensible? Israel has nuclear weapons. No other country in the area does. That right there means they are on top when it comes to defense. But put that aside for a minute and consider Israel's enormous military power and technology compared to that of the Palestinians', rocks and home made rockets.

Stop pretending to have a say in this. You aren't Jewish. We have talked about this before and you have admitted to believing in your own form of Judaism which makes you just as Jewish as me and just as Jewish as Hitler.

I have no idea.

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Doesn't say much for having the fourth biggest army in the world, bleeding hard-pressed US taxpayers out of billions in military aid every year and owning hundreds of nukes, if Israel can't even defend itself against the likes of Lebanon and Jordan.

Ever noticed when Palestinians or Muslims reject Israel's "right" to exist they're condemned as extremist lunatics, yet it's perfectly reasonable and okay for Israel (and its Whitehouse puppets) to deny Palestine's "right" to exist?

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that quote is fake.

prove it ....

With this issue the majority cannot see the wood for the trees, but here it is on a plate.

If we zoom right out, it's clear that there's a far bigger agenda at work; it's a stage show from the Bankers. Israel belongs to the Rothschilds, they want Israel to look like a Mad Dog, this is so as the Rockefeller and Rothschild controlled UN can eventually come in and do their so called "Peace Keeping" on Israel; the world will cheer the UN and perceive them as a peaceful force for good. In reality this is a puppet show with the bankers controlling both Israel and the United Nations. We're being manipulated into accepted the United Nations as our communist world government

This stage show is being repeated in many ways around the globe; the Bankers are creating problems and then sending the UN in as the "Peace Keepers". It's all about getting us to accept their global government.

Also this is nothing to do with the Ethnically Jewish or Religiously Jewish people; they're being used and abused, as has happened on a number of occasions in history. This is from the top

America gives Israel more per person that it gives to its own people. Israel is not a third world country. It is a very rich country.

works the other way around moron.

if the rothchild's created israel as you say why would they need to send the un to control it?

It's a stage show; Rothschild is ensuring Israel is a Mad Dog, he could stop that at any moment he wanted to. Israel is a puppet on his left hand and the UN on his right :2 cents:

This stage show is to promote the UN as peacekeepers

proof the rothchilds control the un and israel or just something you heard on a youtube video?

I went to israel years ago and I will never forget all the Israelis kids throwing rocks at the little Palestinian girls going to school. Real rocks, real hard, hitting little girls in the head with real blood.

Notice you didnt query my other two quotes moron.

Notice how they lay in wait for them with the police stood next to them.

The family, like the Rockefellers in the USA, like to stay out of the limelight, but there are some things that just can't be hidden

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

so why post false quotes unless your are trying to distort and mislead?

yes they donated money to the early state of israel but where is the proof they control it?

don't you have at youtube video for that at least?

The 3 quotes were all real.

links then? to original sources? if you don't post them i assume they are made up and just using it to bullshit the easily duped.

I'll dig out a YouTube video too, but I'll need to check it's accurate

Baron Benjamin de Rothschild "So we decided to open ourselves a little bit more to the Israeli public, so we can be better known, if only because my great-grandfather started the country."

http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magaz...alues-1.323094


Baron Edmond Benjamin James de Rothschild, ?the Benefactor,? laid the foundations for Jewish settlement in Palestine through his economic support for what came to be known as the First Aliyah, the wave of Jewish immigration from 1882-1903.

?We are becoming more and more important in the Israeli financial system, and our philanthropic activity in Israel is also growing. So we decided to open ourselves a little bit more to the Israeli public, so we can be better known, if only because my great-grandfather started the country. We would not want people to forget that. ?

Are the videos I posted fake as well?

what does that have to do with the fake quotes you have no legit sources for?

just because they invested in israel does not mean they "control" it.

please use some critical thinking and don't blindly believe everything you read on the internet like a sheep. :2 cents:

The Rothschilds, like most Billionaires, don't pump money into things for fun, even if they sometimes like to make things seem that way. If they set Israel up and owned it back then, given that they've never been in a position to need to sell, they are going to be in control of it now too. They don't like people to know that because that means taking the blame for attacks/wars etc.

Given that they are a banking family, they didn't need to bring in anyone else to do Israel's banking for them, now look at the quote below

you left this part out of the interview with the supposed "controller" os israel:

"In general I am not in contact with politicians. I spoke once with Netanyahu, as I mentioned. I met once with an Israeli finance minister, but the less I mingle with politicians the better I feel."

It's important for him to portray this image, he has middle-men who he sends to the politicians. He chooses what to fund

you post no proof, only speculation which you try and pass off as fact.

that supposedly "authentic" quote is from someone who died 200 years ago. do the rothchild's control the money supply anywhere in the world? print money? no. so i have no idea what point you are trying to make here.

anyways that quote is fake and has no authentic source like the rest of the quotes you tend to post.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Money

Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!

Attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812). No primary source for this is known and the earliest attribution to him known is 1935 (Money Creators, Gertrude M. Coogan). Before that, "Let us control the money of a nation, and we care not who makes its laws" was said to be a "maxim" of the House of Rothschilds, or, even more vaguely, of the "money lenders of the Old World". This is a play on an English proverb, Let me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.

again use some critical thinking and don't be sheep and believe everything you read. baa baa.

It's a moot point. If he/she posts links or sources, you'll claim the sources made it up or they're biased (as if the US media is unbiased).

It's not really about "Jews" controlling anything anyway, and it's rather lazy and distasteful, IMHO, to attack "Jews" (generally) for what Israel does.

A lot of the same people (neo-Nazis) who attack "Jews" are quite happy to quote and cite such varied sources as religious Jews like NKUSA and Jews Against Zionism and on the other side, leftist Jews like Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein.

It's not Jews who own the US or Israel, it's a brand of venal, militaristic Zionism, which doesn't have the interests of Americans or Israelis at heart; only the interests of itself and its supporters.

Neither do so-called "friends" of Israel, in the US media or elsewhere, including Christian fundamentalist nutjobs praying for the second coming and/or Armageddon or whatever the fuck those wackos are into.

The media in Israel is actually often far more reasonable and less biased than the US, and it's a pity, because Israel could be a great country if it wasn't controlled by the same kind of racist, greedy, self-serving crooks as the USA.

no. you have no idea how to cite sources? i take it you never had any higher education.

Any reason why I should when I didn't post the quote?

I take it you don't know how to copy and paste a quote into a search engine?

yes and when i did most of these quotes have no original legit sources. they are fake. usually produced by actual real fascists or nazis / neo-nazi / authoritarian sympathizers and propaganda outlets.

Which is exactly what I said you'd say isn't it, fuckwit?

lol.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Tell that to the Americans ...

Remember .. :

Saddam , prove you have no WMD ...


Funny how it does not work like that anymore, moran ...:upsidedow

I understand you are trying to lay bait to stimulate the forum, so I suspect that you probably do know that the Rothschilds own Israel

If however you really don't believe it and think that the Rothschilds would be on CNN explaining Israel's actions and destroying the myth of the Israeli democracy. Perhaps you should start imagining how you would act if you were one of the world's top bankers and had complete control of a nation. Think of the reasons why you might not want people to know that.

Also, think about the reasons that a forum owner who posts under are pseudonym might not want people to know that the pseudonym is him :winkwink: