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BFT3K

09-30-2011 03:33 PM

Hey 12Clicks - This One's For You!

House Republicans' Labor Budget Cuts Rules That Protect Rooftop Workers From Falling, Coal Miners From Coal Dust

In addition to blocking President Obama's health care law and slashing funding for job training, the budget plan presented by House Republicans for health and labor programs this week would scuttle several worker safety protections put forth by the Department of Labor.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_989624.html

...and when your air, food and water are all poisoned, you can die with a false sense of superiority, alongside your betters.

Rabble Rabble Rabble! :1orglaugh

Vendzilla

09-30-2011 03:55 PM

Did you read the post? It talks about wearing a lease when working on a residential roof, have you ever worked on your roof? Could you imagine wearing a lease when you were doing it? Better to pay attention, don't drink beer or smoke pot while you're doing it. Probably trip over the thing and get it wrapped around your neck as you fell over the side of the house.

Aw, and it cuts funding for migrant workers to get GED's, ok, I'm good with that!!
LA county already estimates they spend a billion dollars on illegal immigrants each year

Bill8

09-30-2011 09:50 PM

I didn't read the article.

But that depends on the roof. Harnesses are a hassle, a pain in the ass, but if a unharnessed worker falls off the roof, generally chances are good taxpayers are going to be stuck with his medical costs and maybe millions in disability.

Health insurance is fairly rare in large swaths of the construction industry.

So maybe it's better to make them harness up, and save the money.

I've never heard of anybody getting their neck wrapped in the safety rope. Could happen, but if it does it's rare.

DaddyHalbucks

10-01-2011 11:01 AM

Cut out the billions in welfare fraud, and we'd have plenty of money for legitimate government programs.

Phase out all government social programs and you'd have a white hot economy with tons of jobs for everybody.

Vendzilla

10-01-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18462975)

most people that would fall off a roof, never should have gone up there in the first place, baby proofing the world is not an opinion

BlackCrayon

10-01-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18462975)

how so? most if not all of that welfare money is being spent and put right back into the economy. take it away and businesses will feel it.

vsex	10-01-2011 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18462975)

legitimate government programs.

:1orglaugh there's no such thing.

Barefootsies

10-01-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18462975)

Phase out all government social programs and you'd have a white hot economy with tons of jobs for everybody.

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Barry-xlovecam

10-01-2011 12:13 PM

I was a state licensed Residential Builder for 14 years and some of this thread's statements in reply are total bullshit.

Roofing contractors, for that matter all contractors and sub-contractors, who hire employees must have workman's compensation insurance by law. If a workman is injured on the job his medical expenses and loss of income is paid by the insurer. ( A "workman's compensation claim"). This insurance is one of the building contractor's most costly state mandated benefit costs. Even if a contractor does not provide common employee benefit major medical insurance he must by law provide workman's compensation to any employee or uninsured sub-contractor.

In some cases there is a cap as to time -- permanent disability, disability over 5 years, is not always covered by the state mandated policy.

Roofers are among the most costly workers to insure -- 30% to 40% of a worker's wages are spent in worker's compensation insurance.

Should roofing workers be mandated to wear safety harnesses? I would say no -- in most cases safe working habits are enough but in some extreme working environments is it probably a good idea and I saw some workers using safety harnesses and other equipment voluntarily years ago.

However, it is privately paid for workmen's compensation insurance that pays the costs of most on-the-job injuries.

It is possible to include the cost of this insurance in the cost of the work but if injuries decline the insurers are in no great rush to reduce premiums and the end cost of the work will most likely see no dramatic cost declines to the end consumer.

Vendzilla

10-01-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18462982)

how so? most if not all of that welfare money is being spent and put right back into the economy. take it away and businesses will feel it.

Actually , in Los Angeles County, they estimate over 1 billion dollars on illegal aliens , a lot of that is for parents of legal kids born here that are illegal aliens. They recieve welfare for those kids and then send a lot of money via western union to relatives in Mexico. So it's not going back into our economy, it's helping Mexico. That's one if the reasons Mexico doesn't want to shut down the border.

Vendzilla

10-01-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18463058)

I was a state licensed Residential Builder for 14 years and some of this thread's statements in reply are total bullshit.

Roofing contractors, for that matter all contractors and sub-contractors, who hire employees must have workman's compensation insurance by law. If a workman is injured on the job his medical expenses and loss of income is paid by the insurer. ( A "workman's compensation claim"). This insurance is one of the building contractor's most costly state mandated benefit costs. Even if a contractor does not provide common employee benefit major medical insurance he must by law provide workman's compensation to any employee or uninsured sub-contractor.

In some cases there is a cap as to time -- permanent disability, disability over 5 years, is not always covered by the state mandated policy.

Roofers are among the most costly workers to insure -- 30% to 40% of a worker's wages are spent in worker's compensation insurance.

Should roofing workers be mandated to wear safety harnesses? I would say no -- in most cases safe working habits are enough but in some extreme working environments is it probably a good idea and I saw some workers using safety harnesses and other equipment voluntarily years ago.

However, it is privately paid for workmen's compensation insurance that pays the costs of most on-the-job injuries.

It is possible to include the cost of this insurance in the cost of the work but if injuries decline the insurers are in no great rush to reduce premiums and the end cost of the work will most likely see no dramatic cost declines to the end consumer.

I've spent a lot of time in high rise construction. Most accidents are caused by bad unsafe working habits. I never got hurt, but some asshole that sweep debris in the elevator shaft on top of the workers got nhis ass handed to him.

BlackCrayon

10-01-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18463090)

the situation with illegals is pretty shitty but what about the rest of the country?

Vendzilla

10-01-2011 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18463118)

the situation with illegals is pretty shitty but what about the rest of the country?

One state at a time, here in LA county, the census said there was a 10% increase in the hispanic population last ten years. One of the things I saw in Amsterdam was more people spoke english than in LA

Bill8

10-01-2011 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18463058)

I was a state licensed Residential Builder for 14 years and some of this thread's statements in reply are total bullshit.

Roofing contractors, for that matter all contractors and sub-contractors, who hire employees must have workman's compensation insurance by law. If a workman is injured on the job his medical expenses and loss of income is paid by the insurer. ( A "workman's compensation claim"). This insurance is one of the building contractor's most costly state mandated benefit costs. Even if a contractor does not provide common employee benefit major medical insurance he must by law provide workman's compensation to any employee or uninsured sub-contractor.

And i owned construction companies from 86 to 98, and while the law requires workman's comp, the chain of subcontractors and paperwork always led to dozens and hundreds of fly-by-night companies that hired quick workers that were not covered, ESPECIALLY for residential construction. This was standard practice to keep costs low.

It was so common as to be the source of constant jokes and tension and fear, at every level. The only place where it wasn't was in the very highly paid contracts for large state jobs.

And if you don't know that, then you were some sort of midlevel worker, paid to intentionally avert your eyes. The ideal is not the real, especially in construction, one of the dirtiest and most borderline criminal of all supposedly legitimate businesses.

And, workmans comp is shitty quality insurance, which you do mention, and a roof fall is often a long term injury that will often require operations and disability for the rest of the guys life. Even if they get up after the fall, the type of damage done can be causing pain and limitations for life.

In any case, going boohoo over safety regs, even tho following safety regs is a pain in the ass, doesn't make sense, because the point of them is to save money for the fucking taxpayer.

Because workmans comp is shitty insurance, and part of the workman's comp deal is you get some shitty insurance in exchange for giving up the right to sue your negligent employer. And the taxpayer makes up the difference.

DudeRick

10-01-2011 04:44 PM

Oh my God noooo... We'll all die! The Huffington post says so! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

12clicks

10-01-2011 10:16 PM

More idiot thought from the left.

Barry-xlovecam

10-02-2011 04:10 AM

Scabs did not work the sort of construction I did -- custom built homes or federally and state funded road projects ( I did stone veneer bridges at times ).

On small remodeling jobs, tract house construction is where there were scabs working but on any jobs with building permits pulled, unless the permits pulled were 'homeowner permits' there was a licensed contractor involved -- building, plumbing, mechanical.

If you know how Comp insurance works and both its audits and claims work you would know that what is said is fact.

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There are some few fly-by-night contractors that are unlicensed and uninsured but they don't work on the bigger jobs. By state law here cannot contract nor collect on any job (contract) over $600 in a court of law.

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