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BFT3K 10-24-2011 11:05 AM

Is this Message Anti-Semitic, or Reality?
 
Watch, and decide for yourself...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-rBZsNhY8

Fletch XXX 10-24-2011 11:10 AM

watching...

devilspost 10-24-2011 11:16 AM

corrupting art lol

Gabriel 10-24-2011 11:18 AM

http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/fi...-287x30011.jpg

He approves.

BFT3K 10-24-2011 11:28 AM

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/investing...158/?tag=stack

Cherry7 10-24-2011 11:29 AM

Fascist twaddle.


But nice to think the Russian communists shot anyone with a copy.

A 15 year with a bit of knowledge could pull it to pieces....


The first world war caused the Russian Revolution and the end of so many of the monarchies, not the Jews.

The Jews were victims of Stalins murders etc etc...

The Nazis were mass murderers, I've seen the camps, met the victims.

Si 10-24-2011 11:40 AM

:1orglaugh

Another Anonymous success fairlytale.

Matt 26z 10-24-2011 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18512252)
The Nazis were mass murderers, I've seen the camps, met the victims.

If the Nazi plan was to kill Jews then why didn't they just kill them?

The fact is, during the first part of the war the Nazis put Jews in internment camps of much better living conditions than what the US provided for the detained Japanese-Americans.

Jewish treatment deteriorated at the same rate of the German military. The most logical conclusion is that there was no "final solution" and that it was a breakdown of the military and German society in general that caused millions of detained Jews to die.

The Japanese-Americans would have similar horror stories had the US been successfully invaded during the war. Available supplies would have gone to white Americans, not "wasted on Japs." There would also have been military command issues causing US soldiers to develop a mindset that they can murder Japanese-Americans and get away with it.

If the Nazis wanted to kill all Jews they would have shot them upon capture; not try to house them for years.

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2011 12:58 PM

Adolf Hitler and the elders of zion -- the most famous blood libels of the Nazi Party -- a total fabrication.

This proves that Anonymous are either Idiots or intentionally using Nazi lies made both famous in Mein Kamph and earlier (in Napoleon III's time -- interesting) by the Czars in the Russian Pogroms ...

http://www.google.com/search?client=...utf-8&oe=utf-8
Quote:

Dec 9, 2010 – --Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the ...
Quote:

Comparing Joly's "Dialogues in Hell," an attack on Napoleon III, and the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," which contains the procedure of a Jewish conspiracy of world domination, shows that the later was paraphrased and plagiarized from "Dialogues in Hell." In addition, the major inconsistencies of the Protocols prove to be confusing and suspicious. This leaves no credibility to the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and proves that it is just a tool to spread the disease of anti-Semitism.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...tocolsMain.htm

pornguy 10-24-2011 01:11 PM

Forgery implies that its not the REAL ONE. That another exists that has been copied.

Hrm...

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2011 01:13 PM

Hardly original either ...
 
Well now they have done it -- they have fucked with the 'elders of zion' :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Elders will be visiting their mother's basments ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...acy _theories
Quote:

Antisemitic conspiracy theories
Further information: Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory

Antisemitism has, from the Middle Ages, frequently taken on characteristics of conspiracy theory. Antisemitic canards continue to circulate. In medieval Europe it was widely believed that Jews poisoned wells, had killed Jesus, and used the blood of Christians in their worship, although blood is not kosher.

In the second half of the 19th century, the notion grew up that Jews were plotting to establish control over the world. This idea was grafted on to an existing conspiracy theory according to which Freemasons were plotting to take over the world.[21] The most famous text alleging the existence of this "Judeo-Masonic" plot is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A more modern manifestation of such ideas is the myth of a Zionist Occupation Government.

Various conspiracy theories have been advanced regarding Jews and banking,[22] including the myth that world banking is dominated by the Rothschild family,[23] that Jews control Wall Street,[23] and that Jews control the United States Federal Reserve.[24] A related canard is that Jews control Hollywood or the news media.[25]

Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples.[26] For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic[27] conspiracy theory.[28]

blackmonsters 10-24-2011 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18512204)
Watch, and decide for yourself...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-rBZsNhY8

What I gathered from the video is that :

They hate rap music more than Jews.

:1orglaugh

Negroid rhythms?

Goddamn we finally own something; we own a beat!

:1orglaugh

Boom pop-da-pop; boom-boom popptity-pop.

Send me my royalty payments whenever you get that funky groove on.
Make all checks payable to the United Negroid Beat Foundation.
Because a beat is a terrible thing to waste.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

wehateporn 10-24-2011 02:35 PM

Danger Danger, Dangerous Thread Alert! :warning

All I'll say is that over 99% of ethnic and religious Jews have nothing to do with the Protocols :2 cents:

cykoe6 10-24-2011 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18512204)
Watch, and decide for yourself...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-rBZsNhY8


Your mask keeps slipping.

BFT3K 10-24-2011 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18512955)
Your mask keeps slipping.

You appear at 14:45 on the timeline! Nice cameo! :thumbsup

StickyGreen 10-24-2011 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18512687)
Danger Danger, Dangerous Thread Alert! :warning

All I'll say is that over 99% of ethnic and religious Jews have nothing to do with the Protocols :2 cents:

No shit, most "Jews" are just regular people like the rest of us.

ZIONISTS are the problem, not Jews.

Your own vice president admits that he's a Zionist (most in U.S. gov are).



Most people have no clue what any of this is even about, it's all just crazy talk to them.

StickyGreen 10-24-2011 05:17 PM

Don't try to expose the Zionists though or they'll hit you with this bullshit:


drmadcat 10-24-2011 05:33 PM

boring.........

StickyGreen 10-24-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by drmadcat (Post 18513041)
boring.........

No one really expects idiots to care about important things that matter.

Go watch some sports or something.

drmadcat 10-24-2011 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513014)
Don't try to expose the Zionists though or they'll hit you with this bullshit:


because the jews were killed in wwII they can attract Palestine know
bullshit what a load of crap

drmadcat 10-24-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513042)
No one really expects idiots to care about important things that matter.

Go watch some sports or something.

that's my opinion anonymous are fucking boring sending a new video every week then doing nothing or sorry i forgot they tuck down the police website in Boston
yep im the idiot

jesse_adultdatingdollars 10-24-2011 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18512369)
If the Nazi plan was to kill Jews then why didn't they just kill them?

The fact is, during the first part of the war the Nazis put Jews in internment camps of much better living conditions than what the US provided for the detained Japanese-Americans.

Jewish treatment deteriorated at the same rate of the German military. The most logical conclusion is that there was no "final solution" and that it was a breakdown of the military and German society in general that caused millions of detained Jews to die.

The Japanese-Americans would have similar horror stories had the US been successfully invaded during the war. Available supplies would have gone to white Americans, not "wasted on Japs." There would also have been military command issues causing US soldiers to develop a mindset that they can murder Japanese-Americans and get away with it.

If the Nazis wanted to kill all Jews they would have shot them upon capture; not try to house them for years.



What planet are you living on lol?

StickyGreen 10-24-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmadcat (Post 18513075)
because the jews were killed in wwII they can attract Palestine know
bullshit what a load of crap

"attract Palestine know?" wtf?

Did you mean "attack Palestine now?"

What a fucking moron. At least you admitted you're an idiot in your next post.

drmadcat 10-24-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513094)
"attract Palestine know?" wtf?

Did you mean "attack Palestine now?"

What a fucking moron. At least you admitted you're an idiot in your next post.

yet again because i make a spelling error your calling me a moron thank you
dick

StickyGreen 10-24-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmadcat (Post 18513112)
yet again because i make a spelling error your calling me a moron thank you
dick

"You're," not "your."

It's just way too easy to prove how stupid you are. Don't blame me, I'm not the one who can't write simple words correctly.

Lucy - CSC 10-24-2011 06:10 PM



Anti Zionism is growing.

drmadcat 10-24-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513115)
"You're," not "your."

It's just way too easy to prove how stupid you are. Don't blame me, I'm not the one who can't write simple words correctly.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/your

helterskelter808 10-24-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513115)
"You're," not "your."

It's just way too easy to prove how stupid you are. Don't blame me, I'm not the one who can't write simple words correctly.

If you're such a genius, why are you reducing yourself to nitpicking his spelling, rather than addressing what he actually said? Seemed to me he was actually on the same side as you WRT Palestine/Israel.

blackmonsters 10-24-2011 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC (Post 18513119)


Anti Zionism is growing.

But anti-Muslim rhetoric toward "Barack Husein Obama", who is not a Muslim is ok?

:1orglaugh

Matt 26z 10-24-2011 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesse_adultdatingdollars (Post 18513087)
What planet are you living on lol?

The one where Winston Churchill said “History is written by the victors.”

The "final solution" is a fabrication of the allied forces to help pin the financial cost of WW2 onto Germany. Specifically, this was the work of Russia. Stalin had blood on his hands. He and Hitler both conspired to invade Poland. Death trains went from Poland to Russia. There were no camps in Russia though. They killed the Polish as they stepped off the trains. These events were covered up for decades after WW2. The Nuremberg trials were a dog & pony show put on by the allied forces to shift 100% of the blame for WW2 onto Germany.

Matt 26z 10-24-2011 06:42 PM

To further elaborate on my above post....

We know that influential members of Polish society were rounded up (actually with the help of Polish Jews, who sold out their non-Jew countrymen) and put on death trains for immediate slaughter in Russia.

IMO the Nazi internment/concentration camps were originally meant for Pols that were deemed to be a lower threat - with the ultimate goal of releasing them after Germany had established full control.

drmadcat 10-24-2011 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18513138)
If you're such a genius, why are you reducing yourself to nitpicking his spelling, rather than addressing what he actually said? Seemed to me he was actually on the same side as you WRT Palestine/Israel.

thank you

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2011 06:50 PM

There is a third possibility ; that that video was a plant to inflame the media to propagandize -- so far they haven't ...

helterskelter808 10-24-2011 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesse_adultdatingdollars (Post 18513087)
What planet are you living on lol?

Actually WRT the Nazis, people do tend to have a very simple-minded view that it was all blood-crazed Holocausting 24/7 from 1933. In fact the Nazis and Zionists had very close ties (both of them believing, for different reasons, that Jews should be expelled from Europe) to the point where some Zionists, for example the extremist terrorist group the "Stern Gang", of which future Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir was a member, actually offered to fight on the side of the Nazis.

The only unusual thing about the Nazis is how far they took views and attitudes that were established and accepted all over the world at the time. The victims of the Nazis - homosexuals, 'different' ethnic and racial groups and the mentally or physically disabled - were being persecuted, maltreated and killed all over the world.

Churchill, a hero of right-wing nutjobs in the USA today, was a notorious and vile racist and supremacist, even against white people of a 'lower' social class. He firmly believed in gassing and forced sterilization when it came to the 'wrong' kinds of people and referred to the white race in terms Hitler, and many of the racists on this forum, would approve of: as a "higher grade race".

As for the USA at the time of Hitler, the record is diabolical. Jesse Owens, who legend had it was snubbed by Hitler, can make the point:

"After all those stories about Hitler and his snub, I came back to my native country and I couldn't ride in the front of the bus," Owens recalled. "I had to go to the back door. I couldn't live where I wanted. Now what's the difference?"

"Hitler didn't snub me, it was FDR who snubbed me. The President didn't even send me a telegram."

cykoe6 10-24-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18513007)
You appear at 14:45 on the timeline! Nice cameo! :thumbsup


Your cameo comes at 13:42. :winkwink:

Supz 10-24-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18512369)
If the Nazi plan was to kill Jews then why didn't they just kill them?

The fact is, during the first part of the war the Nazis put Jews in internment camps of much better living conditions than what the US provided for the detained Japanese-Americans.

Jewish treatment deteriorated at the same rate of the German military. The most logical conclusion is that there was no "final solution" and that it was a breakdown of the military and German society in general that caused millions of detained Jews to die.

The Japanese-Americans would have similar horror stories had the US been successfully invaded during the war. Available supplies would have gone to white Americans, not "wasted on Japs." There would also have been military command issues causing US soldiers to develop a mindset that they can murder Japanese-Americans and get away with it.

If the Nazis wanted to kill all Jews they would have shot them upon capture; not try to house them for years.


Did you go to Middle School at a Hitler Youth Camp. You are a fucking moron. Yea, the most logical solution. So if they did not want to kill the jews, why did they kill 5-10 million of them. Was that because of the breakdown of the German society. They kept Jews alive to be slaves you fucking dimwit. To do work. Just like they did in Egypt, Just like they did with blacks in America. Yea. The Jews died because of a supply issue. They were running low on water so they put deadly gas in the showers instead.

Makaveli 10-24-2011 09:47 PM

The video contains some valid points...

porno jew 10-24-2011 09:51 PM

just another sad example of the current trend of "education by youtube documentary." it is really having a negative effect on the educational levels on the population. it's getting pathetic actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18513407)
Did you go to Middle School at a Hitler Youth Camp. You are a fucking moron. Yea, the most logical solution. So if they did not want to kill the jews, why did they kill 5-10 million of them. Was that because of the breakdown of the German society. They kept Jews alive to be slaves you fucking dimwit. To do work. Just like they did in Egypt, Just like they did with blacks in America. Yea. The Jews died because of a supply issue. They were running low on water so they put deadly gas in the showers instead.


Supz 10-24-2011 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18513178)
To further elaborate on my above post....

We know that influential members of Polish society were rounded up (actually with the help of Polish Jews, who sold out their non-Jew countrymen) and put on death trains for immediate slaughter in Russia.

IMO the Nazi internment/concentration camps were originally meant for Pols that were deemed to be a lower threat - with the ultimate goal of releasing them after Germany had established full control.

Did you learn this from your local kkk meetings. Even those guys can get a better understanding of Mein Kampf then you do. You are either the dumbest guy alive, or a complete anti-semite with a terrible understanding of the facts

Supz 10-24-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18513411)
just another sad example of the current trend of "education by youtube documentary." it is really having a negative effect on the educational levels on the population. it's getting pathetic actually.

Yea, I guess anti-semites will believe anything they read on the internet. They should try reading facts in history books. Even German history books do not support his 'Theory'

Shotsie 10-24-2011 10:20 PM

http://i53.tinypic.com/vrrawy.jpg

wehateporn 10-25-2011 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18513011)
No shit, most "Jews" are just regular people like the rest of us.

ZIONISTS are the problem, not Jews.

Your own vice president admits that he's a Zionist (most in U.S. gov are).

Most people have no clue what any of this is even about, it's all just crazy talk to them.

StickyGreen,

The difference between Zionists and both religious and ethnic Jews is clear to you, but not to most people. It will only be a small percentage of Zionists who really believe in the Protocols, a very small elite, most just want a homeland.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be open for discussion, just that any kind of racial or religious hate has to be removed or pushed away from this debate, as it's just a small group behind the document. :2 cents:

BlackCrayon 10-25-2011 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18513161)
The one where Winston Churchill said ?History is written by the victors.?

The "final solution" is a fabrication of the allied forces to help pin the financial cost of WW2 onto Germany. Specifically, this was the work of Russia. Stalin had blood on his hands. He and Hitler both conspired to invade Poland. Death trains went from Poland to Russia. There were no camps in Russia though. They killed the Polish as they stepped off the trains. These events were covered up for decades after WW2. The Nuremberg trials were a dog & pony show put on by the allied forces to shift 100% of the blame for WW2 onto Germany.

many people say the jews died due to sanctions imposed on germany by the rest of the world but you cant say that these days or you are labeled anti-semite.

wehateporn 10-25-2011 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18513798)
many people say the jews died due to sanctions imposed on germany by the rest of the world but you cant say that these days or you are labeled anti-semite.

The Bankers needed an excuse to grab their own country, they needed the Holocaust and to make the most out of it; the Rockefeller's funded the Nazis :2 cents:

The Jewish people have been used and abused by the Bankers (as have many other races and nationalities)

CaptainHowdy 10-25-2011 05:46 AM

I stopped watching at the "Protocols of Zion" ...

Cherry7 10-25-2011 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18513798)
many people say the jews died due to sanctions imposed on germany by the rest of the world but you cant say that these days or you are labeled anti-semite.

You can say that but you will be wrong and you will look stupid as it will show a total lack of historal knowledge.

For example the Polish Jews that were forced into the Warsaw Ghetto and then starved to death. The Germans themselves filmed this, so the evidence is from the Nazi horses mouth. At the time the Germans occupied all of Europe and there was no shortage of food.


cykoe6 10-25-2011 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18513968)
You can say that but you will be wrong and you will look stupid as it will show a total lack of historal knowledge.

For example the Polish Jews that were forced into the Warsaw Ghetto and then starved to death. The Germans themselves filmed this, so the evidence is from the Nazi horses mouth. At the time the Germans occupied all of Europe and there was no shortage of food.



Thank you for proving that you can be a hard leftist and opposed to bankers and capitalism without hating Jews and denying the holocaust. Even though I disagree with your entire philosophy at least you are not resorting to the cheap "blame the Jews" tactics that have been used for centuries in times of economic strife. Th irony is how easily people fall into the same traps. An ignorance of history means we are all doomed to repeat it. :disgust

NewNick 10-25-2011 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18512369)
If the Nazi plan was to kill Jews then why didn't they just kill them?

The fact is, during the first part of the war the Nazis put Jews in internment camps of much better living conditions than what the US provided for the detained Japanese-Americans.

Jewish treatment deteriorated at the same rate of the German military. The most logical conclusion is that there was no "final solution" and that it was a breakdown of the military and German society in general that caused millions of detained Jews to die.

The Japanese-Americans would have similar horror stories had the US been successfully invaded during the war. Available supplies would have gone to white Americans, not "wasted on Japs." There would also have been military command issues causing US soldiers to develop a mindset that they can murder Japanese-Americans and get away with it.

If the Nazis wanted to kill all Jews they would have shot them upon capture; not try to house them for years.


WOW you really believe that dont you ???

NewNick 10-25-2011 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 18513161)
The one where Winston Churchill said ?History is written by the victors.?

The "final solution" is a fabrication of the allied forces to help pin the financial cost of WW2 onto Germany. Specifically, this was the work of Russia. Stalin had blood on his hands. He and Hitler both conspired to invade Poland. Death trains went from Poland to Russia. There were no camps in Russia though. They killed the Polish as they stepped off the trains. These events were covered up for decades after WW2. The Nuremberg trials were a dog & pony show put on by the allied forces to shift 100% of the blame for WW2 onto Germany.


And I suppose the annexing of the Sudatenland, followed by the invasion of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Holland, France and eventually Russia, all part of Stalins masterplan.

BlackCrayon 10-25-2011 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18513968)
You can say that but you will be wrong and you will look stupid as it will show a total lack of historal knowledge.

For example the Polish Jews that were forced into the Warsaw Ghetto and then starved to death. The Germans themselves filmed this, so the evidence is from the Nazi horses mouth. At the time the Germans occupied all of Europe and there was no shortage of food.


I said 'many people say'...not that I personally believe it. The point is that Britain imposed a blockade on Europe designed to prevent supplies reaching Germany through neutral states. Neutral states such as Spain were prevented from importing more than they needed for their own use, so as to prevent re-export to Germany.

Britain also undertook other measures against neutral countries, such as mining Norwegian territorial waters so as to deter the shipping of Swedish iron ore to Germany along the Norwegian coast.

It is true that Germany did not suffer the same food shortages that caused its Home Front to collapse during the First World War. But if you read the book, "Starvation Over Europe", you will understand why that was so. Germany simply satisfied its own food requirements from its own production and the production of the countries occupied by it, meaning that the burden of the 10% deficit in the total food supply of German-occupied Europe was diverted away from the German people and onto the peoples of the occupied countries.

Germany adopted a system of rationing the available food supply, ie the 90% of total requirements that could be produced within German-occupied Europe, based on the principle that other peoples would starve before the German people did. That principle in turn was derived from Germany's experience in the First World War, where its failure to ruthlessly exploit the territories it did occupy in Eastern Europe (in particular Ukraine from March to November 1918) resulted in starvation in German and more severely in its Austrian ally.

Not only did the food rationing system reserve available food supplies for the German people, so as to maintain its normal standard of nutrition, it also reserved food for population groups favoured by the German Government. The book "Starvation over Europe" shows that some peoples, eg the Danes and the Czechs, enjoyed a standard of nutrition equal to that of the German people and in some cases even better.

The other side of the coin was that less favoured groups received much lower rations. According to the book cited, the lowest rations were accorded to Jews and Greeks. It is understandable why Jews received the lowest ration, given their status as the most disliked people from the German Government's point of view, but it is hard to understand why the Greeks were equally disadvantaged. Perhaps that was a result of logisitical factors, and it is noteworthy that Germany cooperated with the Allies to supply food to the starving urban population of Greece.

Although a shortfall of 10% may not sound like much, it can be a matter of life and death when the burden of that shortfall is concentrated on a particular part of the population, ie if the available 90% is shared among, say, 97% of the total population of the blockaded area, giving it about 93% of its requirements, while the remaining 3% of the population receives nothing.

The crucial issue is that although theoretically Germany could import food from or through neutral countries such as Portugal, Spain, Turkey etc., Britain's command of the sea-approaches via the Atlantic and the Mediterranean meant that it could control imports by those neutral countries, reducing their ability to re-export to Germany.

Once Germany had occupied most of Europe, prior to the invasion of the Soviet Union, it became responsible for the feeding of that entire area, both itself, its allies, and the countries occupied by it. That is when the 10% food deficit of the European Continent (excluding the Soviet Union) really began to bite.

In short, one should not fantasise about large convoys of merchant ships arriving at Lisbon and Turkish ports loaded with food for Germany and its allies. That simply did not happen.

Much is made of the economic agreements between Germany and the Soviet Union of 1939, 1940 and 1941, which allowed Germany to import food and other raw materials, in particular oil, either from the Soviet Union itself or acquired by the Soviet Union from other countries for re-export to Germany.

However, it needs to be remembered that the Soviet union was not giving lend-lease aid to Germany. The three economic agreements were barter arrangements whereby the Soviet undertook to deliver fixed quantities of raw materials to Germany in exchange for Germany's delivery of fixed quantities of manufactured goods, including arms and other forms of war-production, to the Soviet Union.

It was very difficult for Germany to keep up with its deliveries, since they weakened Germany's own war-fighting capacity, and when they lagged the Soviet Union cut back its own deliveries in retaliation. For example, in the second half of 1940 Soviet deliveries were drastically cut back, on the excuse of Germany's tardiness with its deliveries, and they were not restored to their former level until the third economic agreement of early 1941. It is possible that the reason for the Soviet reduction of deliveries in 1940 was actually Stalin's shock at the unexpected sudden German victory in June of that year, and his resultant concern to weaken Germany.

The economic relationship between Germany and the Soviet Union prior to June 1941 was nothing like that between Britain and the United States, or Britian and its Commonwealth and Empire. Britain was never in a position where, in order to receive supplies of food and other raw materials, it had to divert a substantial part of its war production to a supplier that could well turn out to be hostile; it was always able to rely fully on its suppliers.


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