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Caligari 10-26-2011 10:26 AM

New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS
 
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...141203055.html
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Substantially more Americans agree than disagree with the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement, according to a new poll. And nearly two-thirds say wealth should be distributed more equitably.

Forty-three percent of respondents to a new CBS/New York Times survey said they agree with Occupy Wall Street's goals, while, 27 percent said they disagree. Thirty percent were unsure.

baddog 10-26-2011 10:28 AM

Math must not be your strong point.

Lucy - CSC 10-26-2011 10:30 AM

More Americans agree with OWS as oppose it with a large chunk undecided. I think if they were to see the video and read the text the OWS have issued about what they want then the undecided figure would move over to the agree.

baddog 10-26-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC (Post 18516932)
More Americans agree with OWS as oppose it with a large chunk undecided. I think if they were to see the video and read the text the OWS have issued about what they want then the undecided figure would move over to the agree.

When did 43% become a majority?

Caligari 10-26-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516925)
Math must not be your strong point.

43% agree
27% disagree
30% don't know, which negates that percentage. we could be fair and say that 15% of these people actually agree and 15% don't agree but then again we are back where we started eh?

Failed 10-26-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516936)
When did 43% become a majority?

If 43% agree and 27% disagree....well let's break it down for you.

43
-27
____

16

So, 16% more agree with the OWS movement than disagree, thus the majority who agree is larger than the minority who disagree.

baddog 10-26-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18516949)
43% agree
27% disagree
30% don't know, which negates that percentage. we could be fair and say that 15% of these people actually agree and 15% don't agree but then again we are back where we started eh?

51% would be most
43 < 51

baddog 10-26-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18516956)
If 43% agree and 27% disagree....well let's break it down for you.

43
-27
____

16

So, 16% more agree with the OWS movement than disagree, thus the majority who agree is larger than the minority who disagree.

Well, "failed" makes sense as an alias I guess. The ONLY way the title of the post would be correct would be if it said "New Poll: More Americans Agree With OWS"

43% will never be "most."

Failed 10-26-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516965)
Well, "failed" makes sense as an alias I guess. The ONLY way the title of the post would be correct would be if it said "New Poll: More Americans Agree With OWS"

43% will never be "most."

I didn't say "most", I quoted your post that said "majority." I'll give you my password, you can borrow my nick for the day, you've earned it!

Caligari 10-26-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516958)
51% would be most
43 < 51

and as i said being more than fair if 15% of those undecided were for OWS then 43 + 15 = 58%.

heck, if only 8% of those undecided 30% were for OWS it would give you your 51%.

but the reality is that if you don't have an opinion you don't count it, so 43% would be the majority in this poll.

BFT3K 10-26-2011 10:50 AM

Don't worry, the OWS movement will only grow, as will its approval.

_Richard_ 10-26-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516936)
When did 43% become a majority?

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Meanwhile, just 26 percent said that money and wealth are distributed fairly in America, while 66 percent say they aren't.
math.. reading.. who needs em

The Demon 10-26-2011 10:55 AM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150191/Am...t-Economy.aspx

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517008)

:1orglaugh wake up. wall street = government

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517038)
:1orglaugh wake up. wall street = government

Oh right.. The loony "enlightened" thinkers are still unable to make distinctions..

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517041)
Oh right.. The loony "enlightened" thinkers are still unable to make distinctions..

The fact that there is no distinction is why OWS exists.:2 cents:

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517049)
The fact that there is no distinction is why OWS exists.:2 cents:

No, the OWS exists because they are unable to at least take partial blame for their stupidity because it would indicate they have some character flaws, so they must blame somebody else.

baddog 10-26-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18516968)
I didn't say "most", I quoted your post that said "majority." I'll give you my password, you can borrow my nick for the day, you've earned it!


Oh, so your tactic is to change the subject in the middle of the conversation? What was the topic of this thread again? Oh yeah, New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS


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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18516971)
but the reality is that if you don't have an opinion you don't count it, so 43% would be the majority in this poll.

A "majority of the people that took the poll" does not equal "most Americans."

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517056)
No, the OWS exists because they are unable to at least take partial blame for their stupidity because it would indicate they have some character flaws, so they must blame somebody else.

spoken like a true Amerikan:winkwink:

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517065)
spoken like a true Amerikan:winkwink:

Thanks, ignoring reality for your own benefit because you want to blame someone else. Spoken like a true liberal.:winkwink:

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517061)
A "majority of the people that took the poll" does not equal "most Americans."

yes, it would mean "most americans" who had an opinion in the poll.
once again there are 30% with no opinion which does not count so you have 43%>27%

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517061)

A "majority of the people that took the poll" does not equal "most Americans."

Is getting old a prerequisite for being a prick or were you born that way?

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517083)
yes, it would mean "most americans" who had an opinion in the poll.
once again there are 30% with no opinion which does not count so you have 43%>27%

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This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1,650 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone October 19-24, 2011. Phone numbers were dialed from random digit dial samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. An oversample was conducted for this survey which will be analyzed in a future poll release.
Did not know 1,650 adults represented the majority of Americans. But hey, when you desperately want your idiotic agenda to work, you've got to rationalize.

BFT3K 10-26-2011 11:22 AM

Somebody should make a GFY poll on this, just for fun.

If I start it people will say it is already slanted, so someone else should do it.

baddog 10-26-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 18517089)
Is getting old a prerequisite for being a prick or were you born that way?

I apologize. I understand that today's educational system has let today's youth down, especially when it comes to logic.

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:23 AM

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Somebody should make a GFY poll on this, just for fun.

If I start it people will say it is already slanted, so someone else should do it.
You're kidding right? No matter who does it, the opposing side will claim "BIAS" almost instantly.

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517102)
I apologize. I understand that today's educational system has let today's youth down, especially when it comes to logic.

Yea? They offered Logic class in 1928? Did ya ace it?

BFT3K 10-26-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517103)
You're kidding right? No matter who does it, the opposing side will claim "BIAS" almost instantly.

Fine, here it is...

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1043267

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 18517115)
Yea? They offered Logic class in 1928? Did ya ace it?

Wtf? Really? A "you're old!" joke? What are you, 12, or just have the mentality of a child?

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517092)
Did not know 1,650 adults represented the majority of Americans. But hey, when you desperately want your idiotic agenda to work, you've got to rationalize.

:1orglaugh off your meds? it is just a poll, never said it was anything else.
just so you know-
Poll: a sampling or collection of opinions on a subject, taken from either a selected or a random group of persons, as for the purpose of analysis.

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517129)
:1orglaugh off your meds? it is just a poll, never said it was anything else.
just so you know-
Poll: a sampling or collection of opinions on a subject, taken from either a selected or a random group of persons, as for the purpose of analysis.


Title of the thread: New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS


Swing and a miss.:winkwink:

baddog 10-26-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517134)
Title of the thread: New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS


Swing and a miss.:winkwink:

and 43% = most.

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517125)
Wtf? Really? A "you're old!" joke? What are you, 12, or just have the mentality of a child?

Yea I'm 12, and even so I don't live in my step dads basement. Is he making you a grilled cheese sandwich today?

Lucy - CSC 10-26-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18516936)
When did 43% become a majority?

I didnt say majority I said more.

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 18517148)
Yea I'm 12, and even so I don't live in my step dads basement. Is he making you a grilled cheese sandwich today?

Foster care or low income housing? Either way, don't you worry son. This year's taxes will cover you for another 6 months.:1orglaugh

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517134)
Title of the thread: New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS
Swing and a miss.:winkwink:

:1orglaugh even though i started this thread i have to say it really delivers

hey guy if you don't agree with it, whine to yahoo news. don't shoot the messenger:error

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517152)
Foster care or low income housing? Either way, don't you worry son. This year's taxes will cover you for another 6 months.:1orglaugh

Good to see your mom is finally paying taxes on her cam income. :1orglaugh

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517153)
:1orglaugh even though i started this thread i have to say it really delivers

hey guy if you don't agree with it, whine to yahoo news. don't shoot the messenger:error

I don't need to whine to yahoo news. Your thread said "most Americans". When I destroyed your idiotic logic by proving that a poll is an unrepresentative sample, you backpeddle by claiming "it was just an opinion", which ignores the initial assertion that your thread title is misleading, or you make a last gasp post like this one. Either way, game, set and match.:1orglaugh

baddog 10-26-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517153)
:1orglaugh even though i started this thread i have to say it really delivers

hey guy if you don't agree with it, whine to yahoo news. don't shoot the messenger:error

They must have changed their headline after you started this thread. It currently says, "Poll: More agree than disagree with Occupy Wall Street goals," not "New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS."

Caligari 10-26-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517159)
I don't need to whine to yahoo news. Your thread said "most Americans". When I destroy your idiotic logic by proving that a poll is an unrepresentative sample, you backpeddle by claiming "it was just an opinion", which ignores the initial assertion that your thread title is misleading, or you make a last gasp post like this one. Either way, game, set and match.:1orglaugh

a poll is a set of opinions genius:1orglaugh
i think its more like game set and meds, as you need to be gettin back on yours:1orglaugh

The Demon 10-26-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517168)
a poll is a set of opinions genius:1orglaugh
i think its more like game set and meds, as you need to be gettin back on yours:1orglaugh

Wow.. Desperation and backpeddling at its finest.

Caligari 10-26-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517166)
They must have changed their headline after you started this thread. It currently says, "Poll: More agree than disagree with Occupy Wall Street goals," not "New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS."

Same thing, just shortened the title.

"More agree than disagree" = "Most Americans Agree" with OWS

in the poll more = most (keeping in mind that no opinion does not count)

Americans because, you know it was Americans being polled...

just trying to explain it carefully so you get it...

Rochard 10-26-2011 12:04 PM

The title of this thread should really be "most people don't give a shit about OWS.

baddog 10-26-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517213)
Same thing, just shortened the title.

"More agree than disagree" = "Most Americans Agree" with OWS

No, it is not the same thing. It is not even close to being the same thing. Especially when you are talking about 1,650 out of 312,000,000

blazin 10-26-2011 12:09 PM

How about the majority (60%) of those people that had an opinion about OWS agreed with it.

:)

The Demon 10-26-2011 12:11 PM

Kinda weird to make that point when recent polls show that the majority of people have no idea as to what the clear goals of the OWS are.

Quentin 10-26-2011 12:16 PM

I agree with some of what I hear coming from some people within the OWS movement.

Unfortunately, there isn't a poll in existence that offers its respondents the opportunity to specify which parts of any given organization's/movement's beliefs they agree or disagree with, so if I were to take this particular poll, I'd probably choose the "don't know" option as my response.

I run into the same problem when I'm polled about any particular candidate for public office. The polls are designed to get me to express an absolutist position that is easily communicated when the poll results are published, not to record my actual opinion.

A better manner of poll (one that I'm guessing is not forthcoming from any polling service any time soon) would ask its respondents about specific positions endorsed and championed by the movement/organization/candidate at hand, and report the aggregate response to each of those individual positions/provisions as a separate line item. Every once in a while you see results from polls like that, but most are very general, and very much creatures of an agenda-driven author.

Sadly, most pollsters aren't terribly interested in divining truth, or accurately representing the actual opinions of the respondent pool; they are interested in crafting a poll such that it tends to result in numbers that forward the agenda they have already decided is right and proper.

Caligari 10-26-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517234)
No, it is not the same thing. It is not even close to being the same thing. Especially when you are talking about 1,650 out of 312,000,000

Sure it is, that's why it's called a poll.

When you get the opinion from 312,000,000 you are looking for lmk:winkwink:

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517251)
Kinda weird to make that point when recent polls show that the majority of people have no idea as to what the clear goals of the OWS are.

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517092)
Did not know 1,650 adults represented the majority of Americans. But hey, when you desperately want your idiotic agenda to work, you've got to rationalize.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Demon 10-26-2011 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 18517279)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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recent polls show that the majority of people

Ooops! Looks like someone failed miserably yet again.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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