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DateDoc 11-04-2011 08:24 AM

Groupon shares up 40%
 
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Groupon(GRPN) opened at $28 a share on the Nasdaq on Friday, soaring 40% from its initial offer price.

On Thursday night, Groupon priced shares of the offering at $20, above the range of $16 to $18 it had initially sought. The company netted $700 million in the stock sale, valuing the daily deals site at close to $13 billion.

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...FREE&cm_ite=NA
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GRPN

12clicks 11-04-2011 08:28 AM

how long will this bubble last?

CS-Jay 11-04-2011 08:33 AM

Didn't it open at $30?

blazin 11-04-2011 08:35 AM

Crazy valuation...

PR_Glen 11-04-2011 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18536734)
how long will this bubble last?

was wondering the same myself...

Bladewire 11-04-2011 08:38 AM

I'm not a believer. After a while I cancelled the email notifications because the offers were nothing I was interested in, sent to me, every day, like spam :2 cents:

VikingMan 11-04-2011 08:56 AM

I want to short this fucking stock so bad. For now I will just have to enjoy watching Apple tank.

Just Alex 11-04-2011 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 18536750)
I'm not a believer. After a while I cancelled the email notifications because the offers were nothing I was interested in, sent to me, every day, like spam :2 cents:

Yes, it went to shitter fast. Used to have some good offers but now it all junk.

TheSquealer 11-04-2011 09:05 AM

Funny times we live in when a Ponzi Scheme goes public.

DateDoc 11-04-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CS-Jay (Post 18536741)
Didn't it open at $30?

The IPO price was $20. It went just over $31 at one point. Right now it is around 40% up.

grumpy 11-04-2011 09:46 AM

another bubble. Lets see how long it last

vsex 11-04-2011 09:49 AM

Living Social has muuuuuch better deals

acctman 11-04-2011 09:54 AM

they better sell the company fast and stop being greedy

TheSquealer 11-04-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsex (Post 18536950)
Living Social has muuuuuch better deals

Better deals for who?

People seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of their business model, who wins and who loses.

There are 3 parties to a deal.

The Buyer
The Site
The Seller

- The Site wins. They get paid no matter what and take a huge % of sales

- The Buyer wins because they get cheap shit

- The Seller loses because they don't understand the disastrous consequences of offering deals at a loss to people who will not become regular customers. This is why all Groupon/Living Social et al feature retarded small businesses like Billy Bobs Alligator Airboat Tours and not Best Buy or Toys R Us.

Daily Deal sites prey on the desperate and ignorant as an important and necessary component to their business model. The problem with relying on the ignorant as customers and seeing such massive success is that everyone eventually gets educated.

TheSquealer 11-04-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman (Post 18536958)
they better sell the company fast and stop being greedy

Greedy?
While online ad sellers cheer, this doesn't bode well for Groupon. The company must dial back its whopping half-billion in marketing spending to become profitable and, so far, those cuts have meant slowing growth in paying customers.

Groupon's $613 million in marketing expense for the first nine months of the year has largely gone toward bringing new subscribers to the platform, according to public filings.

http://adage.com/article/digital/gro...-works/230777/

mafia_man 11-04-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 18536850)
The IPO price was $20. It went just over $31 at one point. Right now it is around 40% up.

You'd know all about overvaluation. Just look at your sig.

The Heron 11-04-2011 10:07 AM

It's a stupid fucking concept why it's still going I don't know

Houdini 11-04-2011 10:09 AM

Although we all know this will end up, to Groupon's intermediate shorter term defense, they've only put up 4.95% of the company to the public. They still have a huge amount of the company to sell off if they need more capital.

vsex 11-04-2011 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18536976)
Better deals for who?

People seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of their business model, who wins and who loses.

There are 3 parties to a deal.

The Buyer
The Site
The Seller

- The Site wins. They get paid no matter what and take a huge % of sales

- The Buyer wins because they get cheap shit

- The Seller loses because they don't understand the disastrous consequences of offering deals at a loss to people who will not become regular customers. This is why all Groupon/Living Social et al feature retarded small businesses like Billy Bobs Alligator Airboat Tours and not Best Buy or Toys R Us.

Daily Deal sites prey on the desperate and ignorant as an important and necessary component to their business model. The problem with relying on the ignorant as customers and seeing such massive success is that everyone eventually gets educated.

for me, why should I care about who else is involved. It's not the red cross dood.

DVTimes 11-04-2011 11:44 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15589083

TheSquealer 11-04-2011 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsex (Post 18537026)
for me, why should I care about who else is involved. It's not the red cross dood.

If you are looking for deals, you shouldn't care. If you are looking to invest in a flimsy tech stock which is nothing more than a pyramid scheme, you should care. :)

vsex 11-04-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18537421)
If you are looking for deals, you shouldn't care. If you are looking to invest in a flimsy tech stock which is nothing more than a pyramid scheme, you should care. :)

i'm just talkin' deals man. :thumbsup

Domain Diva 11-04-2011 06:55 PM

There was much celebration when the Titanic set sail....

acctman 11-04-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18536987)
Greedy?
While online ad sellers cheer, this doesn't bode well for Groupon. The company must dial back its whopping half-billion in marketing spending to become profitable and, so far, those cuts have meant slowing growth in paying customers.

Groupon's $613 million in marketing expense for the first nine months of the year has largely gone toward bringing new subscribers to the platform, according to public filings.

http://adage.com/article/digital/gro...-works/230777/

I personally think they should have sold when Google offered to buy them. I can understand not wanting to let go and dreams of being even bigger, but lets face it there is nothing unique about there business. It's been duplicated 6-10 times ... FB, Google, LivingSocial, Yelp, Foursquare, etc. all have groupon clones. Look at Digg should have sold when Microsoft wanted them.

Dubya 11-04-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18536993)
You'd know all about overvaluation. Just look at your sig.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

SomeCreep 11-04-2011 08:46 PM

I predict GRPN will hit $15/share within 6 months.

Furious_Male 11-04-2011 08:53 PM

The float was way to small to begin with. It was bound to shoot up. A bunch of flippers are playing it right now.

TheSquealer 11-05-2011 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman (Post 18538076)
I personally think they should have sold when Google offered to buy them. I can understand not wanting to let go and dreams of being even bigger, but lets face it there is nothing unique about there business. It's been duplicated 6-10 times ... FB, Google, LivingSocial, Yelp, Foursquare, etc. all have groupon clones. Look at Digg should have sold when Microsoft wanted them.

Their story again and again was that the sole reason for not selling was because they believed they could do better with an IPO. I personally do not believe they have a future because it is a terrible business model. They rely on 10,000+ person sales force and a near 1 BILLION dollar marketing budget this year to hit the numbers they are hitting, none of which are sustainable.

It's also worth pointing out that facebook et al have failed in this arena. It's a horrible business model.

Good news for Groupon
The IPO came just in time...before the principles lost everything.

Bad news for Groupon... all ponzi schemes eventually collapse...
http://static6.businessinsider.com/i...-to-a-halt.jpg

ErectMedia 11-05-2011 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acctman (Post 18538076)
I personally think they should have sold when Google offered to buy them. I can understand not wanting to let go and dreams of being even bigger, but lets face it there is nothing unique about there business. It's been duplicated 6-10 times ... FB, Google, LivingSocial, Yelp, Foursquare, etc. all have groupon clones. Look at Digg should have sold when Microsoft wanted them.

Agreed, The point of them not turning a profit yet doesn't concern me as the user base is valuable it's mainly the point that "there is nothing unique about there business" and can be duplicated. I think it's a smart buy on the opening as long as you know when to dump it. :2 cents:


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