Any pros/cons of joining ASACP (or others?)
 

I work in software, haven't done much in this industry (but I am trying to learn about it!) please forgive me if this is off topic.

One thing that puzzles me, I used to see ASACP logos on all kinds of adult sites and now I don't see them anymore.

Have you ever been an ASACP member, or been a member of some other social cause (prevention of animal cruelty, etc.. etc...)

What were the pros and cons? are you still a member?

If not, why did you drop out of it?

Thanks!

ACACP Rules. You should check out their site and then contact Tim for info.

I don't have, or want an adult site.. not much point in me signing up! :-)

I am however, interested in working with other people who have sites and I'd like to know why I don't see many ACACP logos anymore.

Haven't really seen any kinds of organized membership for other social issues either, the way other mainstream businesses might have "Animal cruelty free products". (target stores are pretty big on social causes)

Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems (to me anyway) that breast cancer awareness, prevention of rape, or what have you might be a good idea for sales. In the age of piracy, might giving people "feel good fuzzy" about signing up with a given site who supports their particular causes be helpful? (or if not THEIR causes, then the causes their SO might believe in, to give them a bit of an edge for justifying their membership)

But I haven't seen any of that... I wonder why?

I'm certainly not the first person to have ever thought of it!

I guess its the same reason coke doesn't sponsor porn shoots. mainstream doesn't want to be intertwined with adult.

Y'know, I have this thought often, and have never gotten around to it. I might get my arse in gear and implement it tbh.

I am a member and am because I am socially responsible.

The use of the ASACP logo is up to the sponsor. We are a member/sponsor and reference it in our footers, but don't include the logos often because the logos aren't consistent with our own designs.

ASACP is great with no cons in my opinion and a cause we believe in. Especially helpful to put to bed any false perceptions people may have of porn companies.

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unixmaid - Contact me. I will give you all the pertinent information needed to make the right decision.

please share this information here.

http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=apply

Hope that helps

FUBAR is one of the member company's as well:thumbsup

Yeah, they didn't stand to profit from .XXX at all.

Elevated X is a member. There are no real pros or cons. By joining you're simply choosing to support an organization that has a good mission.

AJ

As I understand it they started as Adult Sites Against Child Pornography but ASACP now stands for something else? They removed the Adult part?

Hi Unixmaid,

Allison is correct by saying that the use of the ASACP logo on a member/sponsor website is optional. Many do have it and many have chosen to use their own design or a text link while others do not put it on their site.

For a list of ASACP sponsors please visit?
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=sponsorlist

For a list of ASACP sponsor and member websites please visit?
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=members

There simply are no cons for joining ASACP and supporting industry funded child protection efforts as well as the industry itself. The benefits are many for both members and sponsors.

Membership benefits are listed here?
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=apply

Sponsorship benefits are listed here?
http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=sponsor_benefits

ASACP educates members, the online adult entertainment industry, international government policy makers, and the public about online child safety, child exploitation, and the efforts of the online adult entertainment industry to battle child sexual abuse and be proactive with internet child safety issues.

Since 1996 we have provided an online hotline for web surfers and webmasters to report
suspected child pornography. ASACP then investigates reports and determines the ownership of suspected CP sites and forwards Red Flag reports to international government agencies and associations including the FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, as well as International Hotlines. ASACP also notifies ISPs and payment processors when their hosting and billing services are hijacked by CP operators.

Since 2004 the child exploitation hotline has processed more than 600,000 reports and in
2010 released a report that dissected five years of its most recent data from its Child
Pornography Reporting Hotline. One of the conclusions of this paper proves that the adult
entertainment industry is not involved with child pornography
(http://asacp.org/whitepaper/ASACP-wh...-9-10-2010.pdf). This report was submitted to, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) Online Safety Technology Workgroup and was referenced in their final report as well as several other relevant stakeholders in government and policy circles. In 2011 ASACP continues to stay on the cutting edge of technology by introducing new approaches to better isolate and investigate the highest of priority reports and thereby placing this crucial information into the hands of law enforcement even more efficiently.

In 2006, ASACP created the award winning RTA ("Restricted to Adults") label to better
enable parental filtering, and to demonstrate the online adult industry's commitment to helping parents prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate content. Today millions of adult websites use RTA ? accounting for the bulk of professional sites. There are more than 20 billion monthly hits to pages labeled with RTA, demonstrating that the majority of adult entertainment sites have self-labeled. For its dedication and efforts, ASACP and its RTA Labeling initiative have received widespread support from business leaders and trade
associations, governments and civic organizations.

Since the creation of RTA, ASACP has introduced the RTA plugin for Wordpress, the RTA
Label for mobile platforms and written a paper entitled the RTA Labeling Website Progress
Report (http://rtalabel.org/rtapaper/rta-label-paper-final.pdf) to demonstrate the online adult entertainment industries commitment to online child safety issues. Most recently ASACP has released the RTA Parental Controls for Android APPs system which consists of both a labeling system for mobile applications and a filter which can be utilized by parents to prevent their child from viewing age-restricted mobile applications. This technology was granted a provisional patent and it is currently being developed for multiple mobile platforms.

ASACP continues to vigorously reach out to government and policy makers by responding to the so-called "War on Pornography" being waged by special interest groups demanding the censorship of Constitutionally-protected speech, ASACP recently penned a letter to the U.S. Congress and the U.S. and state Attorneys General, offering a counterpoint to the organized antiporn phone-in and letter-writing campaign. This was seen as a necessity, since many of the claims being made in this bogus "war" surround the involvement of children in commercial adult entertainment ? claims that ASACP has been consistently able to refute, based upon its ongoing research and child exploitation hotline reports.

Further bolstering these outreach efforts, ASACP participated in the 2011 State of the Mobile Net Conference in Washington. Providing a fair and balanced forum for Internet-policy development, this conference is hosted by the Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee (ICAC) and allowed ASACP to interact with governmental agencies and advisors, as well as a variety of mainstream powerhouses, including event sponsors Comcast, Google, Microsoft and VeriSign, among others.

And most recently ASACP penned a letter to the U.S. Congress, protesting its erroneous use of the phrase ?Internet Pornographers? in new legislation targeting sex crimes against children. H.R. 1981, the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011, seeks to tie the online adult entertainment industry with the heinous crime of child sexual abuse ? providing stiff penalties for criminals, but falsely equating legitimate businesses with illegal enterprises. Given the inaccurate portrayal of the adult entertainment industry within the title of this legislation ASACP had no alternative but to respond with facts to counter this falsity.

ASACP is the only organization that bridges the necessity of online child safety issues with
the needs of legitimate adult entertainment business owners and the noted concerns of
international regulators and lawmakers ? an effort which is made possible by the sponsorships, membership fees and donations that the association receives from decision makers like you ? and an effort which reaps continued rewards for all stakeholders. ASACP is currently and aggressively expanding its international presence and needs your support to help us accomplish these challenging but necessary goals.

Not only is your continued support essential, it is also the right thing to do! You?ll be protecting your business and supporting the industry by protecting children.

ASACP is a non-profit 501(c)(4) Social Welfare Organization.
The ASACP Foundation is a non-profit 501(c)(3) Charitable Organization.


"ASACP now stands for something else? They removed the Adult part?"

ASACP did change its name about ten years ago in order to receive our 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(3) designations. The government would not approve these statuses with ?Adult Sites? or "Child Pornography" in the title of our organization. We were therefore forced to change the name of the organization to Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection. As well ASACP does much more than fight child pornography online. ASACP is proud to show the world who are sponsors and members are and what they continually do to be proactive in protecting children on the internet. We thank all of you for your support of our efforts past, present and future.

If anyone has any questions about ASACP membership or sponsorship please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Tim Henning
Executive Director
[email protected]

Thanks for explaining. I must have been one of your first sponsors, back in 1997 (?). But when redesigning my sites, the ASACP logo vanished. But I'll definitely going to put them back up. Keep up the good work!

Hi Tim & Others,

ASACP does (and always did) seem like an excellent idea, I appreciate your taking the time to explain it, I hope someone else benefits from your trouble!

As I pointed out, I'm merely interested in working with other people who have adult websites, one of the things I look at is whether they have the logo, tells me something about their character and whether they're someone I'd be interested in working with.

What I really wanted to know was how people in this business felt about such organizations, seems like everyone who's responded has been in favor of it. (I think that's awesome, BTW)

Thanks for everyone who posted!

I'll give you an honest answer to your questions.

Logic would say that would be due to declining support for their organization. ASACP members would say the tiny banner doesn't fit into their design, all the way at the bottom of their site, in the footer. Common sense will let you decide which one makes more sense.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this in the thread yet, so I will...

Their director, Joan Irvine, sold out and went to work for IFFOR (another bullshit organization), where she now collects a check to help govern the .XXX TLD and fuck over / extort the entire internet. Spend some time on Google or here and you'll find everything you need to know about this shit bag operation and the people involved, including ASACP's previous director.

You can read about it here: http://www.pimpspromo.com/icm-iffor-and-irvine/


I'm not a member. As you will read in my "cons" below, being that pre-teen content is the issue, and there is a lack of pre-teen porn on English speaking websites, and generally always has been, I do not feel my support is needed and instead give it to organizations in the real world, in the area I live in. People are going to sexually abuse children with or without ASACP, so I feel feeding and educating impoverished children in my area is more important and can actually make a difference. Where if I give my support to a group such as ASACP, while they may be able to reduce the amount of child porn online to some degree, they will not reduce the amount of sexually abused children by even 0.01%.

That said, the void of pre-teen porn sites on English speaking websites may very well be due to their hard efforts. I honestly don't know, they have never released a list of sites they assisted in taking offline and refuse all requests to publish such a list, but I will assume they had a small hand in it and applaud their hard work and efforts.

Pros - Doing something is better than doing nothing. Nothing wrong with supporting an organization, whatever it may be, if you believe in it. Go for it.

Cons - They only really consider pre-teen to be child porn, while underage content that is not pre-teen get a pass. They don't publish any list showing their accomplishments in assisting in getting child porn sites taken offline. Like many others, I personally believe they should. Some people like to see real action happening and not just press releases.

Since you are learning about the adult side of the industry and are judging people/companies by if they fly the ASACP banner or not, I urge you to use the search feature on sites such as this one and Google instead. Any shit bag can make a donation, or not, and fly such a banner, even if it is incredibly difficult to include their design, way down at the bottom of their site. And believe me when I say this side of the industry is overflowing with shit bags.

Good luck.

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Read it and weep.

Got that little tidbit from Joan herself a couple years ago. She also said even the FBI is mostly looking for pre-teen. This was when I reported 15-16 year olds getting fucked in the ass.

Actually, you are giving a misinformed answer.

It is the prosectuorial community that focuses on pre-teen cases as these are most extreme, but all reported CP cases are examined.

Once the association verifies 'Red Flag' reports and forwards them to the Department of Justice and other agencies, they become active investigations that may take years to develop as they follow the links down the rabbit hole (which is why you don't see onsey-twosey arrests as much as massive takedowns of dozens of criminals at a time).

Rarely are reports made back to the association (or other entities) on the status or outcome of these investigations, although ASACP does maintain close ties and working relationships with the global law enforcement community.

One recent success that was reported back to ASACP was the takedown of DreamBoard, one of the most notorious CP portals ever. XBIZ and other outlets reported on this.

One thing many of you miss is that if it was not for ASACP and its RTA program, the U.S. government would have already required you all to employ mandatory age verfication...

As for Joan, she is long gone from ASACP -- but the association's mission to protect children while protecting businesses continues.

If you have any questions, visit ASACP.org or contact the current Executive Director, Tim Henning.