Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 18565052)

Me ?(8:04 PM):
Mark,

just came across one of your websites right now.
Has some pretty large implications.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:04 PM):
ok
what's up?
Me ?(8:04 PM):
www.copiedwebsite.com
Me ?(8:05 PM):
i'm shocked really
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:05 PM):
we're running it on our network to test conversions?
Me ?(8:05 PM):
www.mysitethatwascopied.com
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:06 PM):
we're running it on our own network, with a different sponsor
Me ?(8:06 PM):
it's an exact duplicate.
my exact text, that i created.. my concept, even my graphics .. you turned around and copied it exactly?
Me ?(8:08 PM):
Should try to be diplomatic about it, what do you think?
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:09 PM):
sure what would you like to do
or me to do for that matter
Me ?(8:09 PM):
i think that's a question for you to answer mark, i just want you to know i'm a very nice person, and very reasonable. ethics and reputation are a big deal to me.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:12 PM):
Well i can tell you from our end we are trying a whole bunch of different moneitzation methods on our IM ads
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:13 PM):
this is one of the ones we are trying out
it's been up for about a week from what i understand
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:14 PM):
it was not supposed to be an exact carbon copy...
Me ?(8:14 PM):
i think it's a big deal when someone comes to you for traffic, wants to do business with you, shows you a site in cofidence, and you copy it exactly to the "t", stealing my exact text.. and duplicating it.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:14 PM):
i'll e-mail my ad guy to remove the ad tonite
Me ?(8:14 PM):
not a very admirable attribute.
Me ?(8:15 PM):
and it's you mark.. it's you.
you who i talked to, and showed my site to
which i have older sites with that exact text years old as well
Me ?(8:16 PM):
i have our chats logged, and i must say buddy.. i'm pissed off, just as you would be i'm sure.
it wasn't supposed to be an exact carbon copy? man that's tough.
Me ?(8:17 PM):
we can do this a few different ways mark, your choice.
Me ?(8:19 PM):
before you start ducking out on me, leaving me to take action.. you should let me know how you tend to handle this and rectify what you've done.
Me ?(8:25 PM):
i have plenty of ammunition mark, i'd prefer to be diplomatic.

if not, i can only do my best to explain your own practices and ethics and how you treat your customers and yes i have purchased traffic from you before.

i'm sitting here telling you i want to be diplomatic, but your silence is a slap in the face.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:27 PM):
i've e-mailed my guy to take the ad down
Me ?(8:30 PM):
you think that's an acceptable resolution to blatantly stealing from your customers? word for word? people who comes to you with there websites to do business and buy traffic from you? what about ethics? this is how you treat your customers?
Me ?(8:31 PM):
i'm sure gfy would get a kick out of it.
Me ?(8:32 PM):
thank GOD i save all my chat logs for things just like this. if you think i lack the ammunition please try me. I've got friends too.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:32 PM):
hey well at the end of the day it's your call
i have offered to take down the ad
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:33 PM):
i already e-mailed my guy
Me ?(8:33 PM):
mark, you haven't even apologized.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:33 PM):
it wasn't supposed to be a carbon copy
Me ?(8:33 PM):
all bullshit aside man, like for real person to person
how would you feel?
i'm not a bad guy man
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:33 PM):
i get my ads stolen all the time
ALL the time
Me ?(8:33 PM):
not quite the same thing, your in a different position.
you can't fuck over your customers like this and not except some sort of reaction?
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:34 PM):
ask xxx, he gets his stuff stolen all the time also
it's a part of the business
we try different forms of monetization
if we see something that we think will work well with our own stuff we try it
just like all the paysites out there
Me ?(8:34 PM):
yes mark, but you provide traffic to hundreds of valuable webmasters
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:35 PM):
one guy releases xxxyyy.com website the one day and the next day another guy releases xxxyyz.com
Me ?(8:35 PM):
how would they feel knowing THE company they buy traffic from, rips off there concepts completely word for word, and tries to cut them out
all for trying to do more business with you.
not cool.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:35 PM):
this traffic was from our own internal sites, it was not on any of our publisher sites
Me ?(8:35 PM):
people will understand, it's CLEAR as day, and I have all I need to prove it.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:35 PM):
it was promoting a different sponsor
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:36 PM):
so as i said before i am happy to remove the ad
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:37 PM):
and i apologize for the inconvenience
Me ?(8:37 PM):
not good enough. that's what you call diplomacy?
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:37 PM):
ok well what do you want then?
Me ?(8:37 PM):
you changing some text a bit?
i have an iq.
what do you suggest.. sorry, not used to deception on this kind of level.
Me ?(8:38 PM):
i know i can make it a very costly mistake for you.. and again, i'm not a bad person or unreasonable, i dont want to start problems.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:38 PM):
well what do you feel is fair compensation
Me ?(8:39 PM):
if it wasn't you, in your position, with your customers, you'd be much better off.
Me ?(8:40 PM):
it's got to be worth it to me, that's all i know.
simply taking the site down isn't enough, i'm sorry
again, i'm not unreasonable.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:41 PM):
well what if i leave it up and i cut you in on a percentage of whatever sales we get from it
and past sales that have been made thus far
Me ?(8:41 PM):
well mark, you could say that.. then turn around and open a new one up and change the text, cut me out entirely.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:42 PM):
well let me get some metrics on what we have made so far
and we can go from there
Me ?(8:42 PM):
how long will that take
Me ?(8:43 PM):
mark, dont kid me. i know you wont have a long term campaign with me getting a percentage of the sales.. you'll cut me out first chance you get.
Mark -GTS (DH) ?(8:43 PM):
should not be long, just have to figure out how many sales we have pushed in the last week
Me ?(8:44 PM):
i dont want to give you that much time for damage control.

Originally Posted by marlboroack (Post 18565192)

Why does everyone have to fuck everyone else?

Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 18565188)

Mark is a liar, a con artist, and a thief. If you do business with him you are likely to get fucked.

Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 18565239)

Not finished reading but, is this about stealing ad IMAGES or complete websites?

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly (Post 18565227)

"Fudge" Any numbers lately Mark?

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18565230)

Mark from GTS doesn't seen to deny that he straight up stole the site. His response is "hey people steal from me too." I'm sure they do, because birds of a feather flock together. If he's a thief, he'll attract other thieves who steal from him.

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18565230)

Mark from GTS doesn't seen to deny that he straight up stole the site. His response is "hey people steal from me too." I'm sure they do, because birds of a feather flock together. If he's a thief, he'll attract other thieves who steal from him.

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl (Post 18565249)

As one who has spent good money in the past with them, sure hope that traffic was chock full of integrity

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl (Post 18565249)

Well God damn.............not a good look...just like they do on that football show...

COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As one who has spent good money in the past with them, sure hope that traffic was chock full of integrity

Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 18565243)

Not sure who to believe anymore.

Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 18565281)

Adult was never known for it's business ethics and morals

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly (Post 18565227)

All this is much worse than I expected.... I honestly got burned lightly compared to Dom, and you guys.

I was basically promised the world as a graphic designer, and ended up living 500 miles from home in a situation where my landlord was also my boss (on exclusive contract), who knew I wasn't making enough to pay the rent....
When pressed for raises, or to initiate the design business we planned, I Learned basically his plan was to take MY business and run it, while paying me 25% - I left a 60k a year non-exclusive position for this BS?

I'm not retarded, and no contract was ever signed that said this was the plan ( ie: turn over my brand and customer list etc ) so I basically refused to do it, and worked on the side outside my exclusive contract.

I was fired for insubordination and breach of non compete:1orglaugh which was never signed on the advice of another GTS worker.

The whole thing was just a giant fuckin mess, but the things I heard in that office made me sure this day would come.. I heard Mark say more than a few things that led me to believe all was not as it seemed at GTS and he was too dumb to know not to talk about it infront of a guy that completely hated him.. "Fudge" Any numbers lately Mark?

Good luck with this, Diomed.

I honestly hope it's the nail in his coffin... Finally.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18565454)

Damn dude, I was so happy to see you in the other thread I wasn't even thinking about why you were interested in it. I had forgotten all about this and hope you've gotten things back in order.

Cheers man

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly (Post 18565458)

Yeah dude,

Back in order for sure, I work with a great mainstream company who appreciates my designs, pays me well, and has never tried to pull a fast one on me.

Glad to be out of adult for the most part and away from shady fucks like Mark.

( Did you get my reply email? no reply from you since )

Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18565483)

what are the 2 sites?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18565476)

Wow, what a way to kill a business.

Originally Posted by GTS Mark (Post 18565773)

As you know there are always 2 sides to a story. and this is one...

Originally Posted by iMind (Post 18565790)

Both sides do seem pretty clear from the logs posted above.
1) Client asks you to review a site, offer information as to a potential traffic buy
2) You Steal said design, populate it with your own ads and start campaign across it
3) you get caught, don't deny it, however remove the site immediately, to remove proof.

What did I miss?

Originally Posted by GTS Mark (Post 18565800)

Logs can be altered and a huge part of this conversation is bullshit lol! It's always interesting what Information people leave out when it suits them.