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Caligari 01-03-2012 12:33 PM
How Marijuana May Drive the Brain into Psychosis
 
and so it begins...or continues as the tirade against Ron Paul and his stance on issues steadily increases-
"How Marijuana May Drive the Brain into Psychosis"
http://news.yahoo.com/marijuana-may-...144302935.html

apparently this will be followed up by a new article entitled
"How Not Liking War Makes You A Drug Addicted Communist"

keep an eye out for these "news items" coming from all sides of the MSM over the next few months.
if a story seems fishy, it probably is.

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chucklesnorris 01-03-2012 12:45 PM
Ron Paul 2012!

"How Marijuana May Drive The Brain into Psychosis"

[insert propaganda here]

Related stories:

12 killed in drunk driving accident
Annual tobacco deaths rise by 4% to over 450,000 deaths per year

porno jew 01-03-2012 12:49 PM
i know a few people whose heavy mj use probably contributed to their eventual mental issues. i'm sure most smokers do if they were being honest. don't be a sheep and true believer and keep an open and critical mind.

arock10 01-03-2012 12:55 PM
rofl

"One chemical, called tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), increases the brain processes that can lead to symptoms of psychosis, while another compound, called cannabidiol, may negate such symptoms, according to the study."

marijuana can cause psychosis while preventing it at the same time

CyberHustler 01-03-2012 01:00 PM
Weed can make you think you're going crazy... but once you realize it's just the weed then you're fine. All you need to do is acknowledge that the weed is effecting you and realize you'll be normal when it's over, then poof no psychosis.

BlackCrayon 01-03-2012 01:04 PM
if you have an underlying mental illness that you aren't aware of, smoking A LOT of weed could make you more aware of it. i've seen some people bug out but they were always kinda crazy anyways.

the Shemp 01-03-2012 01:07 PM
fear the reefer ...

bronco67 01-03-2012 01:29 PM
Here's the kind of shit I think about when I'm really high...

What the fuck am I? I'm a bag of meat wrapped around some bones and a shitpipe, sitting on a couch, watching some electronic box, on a floating rock that could be swallowed by a black hole at any second. This will all end at any moment, and I'm wasting my time watching some bullshit and eating crackers. I should be running naked in the rain forest of Brazil, fucking jungle bitches, cliff diving and killing wild boars for dinner with my bare hands. Where's the fucking remote?

Is that at least mildly psychotic?

HDADULT 01-03-2012 01:37 PM
I have to agree with this statement because marijuana opens up your eyes and windows to the world and how it really works. This will make you a fucking nuts.

PR_Glen 01-03-2012 01:46 PM
psychotic? I'm sure no matter what they find that will be debatable.. but I know as much as everyone else that it makes you exceedingly lazy and impairs ambition... That alone should be feared more than anything else that 'scientists' claim...

CIVMatt 01-03-2012 01:53 PM
More like "Look if you have issues in your life, then weed is going to make you confront them and deal with it"

Shotsie 01-03-2012 02:12 PM
This is nothing new. There's been hundreds of articles released over the years asserting that Weed can exacerbate mental and behavioral disorders. If you're insinuating that this is some kind of veiled attempt to poison the well of public opinion because the powers that be are afraid of the Ron Paul message than i'd have to disagree with you. The majority of rational voting Americans recognize Ron Paul for what he is: a quack. And why do people think that if Ron Paul were elected weed would all of the sudden become legalized?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18668883)
Here's the kind of shit I think about when I'm really high...

What the fuck am I? I'm a bag of meat wrapped around some bones and a shitpipe, sitting on a couch, watching some electronic box, on a floating rock that could be swallowed by a black hole at any second. This will all end at any moment, and I'm wasting my time watching some bullshit and eating crackers. I should be running naked in the rain forest of Brazil, fucking jungle bitches, cliff diving and killing wild boars for dinner with my bare hands. Where's the fucking remote?

Is that at least mildly psychotic?
Just imagine what you would be thinking about if you were schizophrenic or bipolar.

Gabriel 01-03-2012 02:17 PM
Quote:
Pass it on: The compound THC in marijuana may increase symptoms of psychosis, while another compound called cannabidiol may decrease those symptoms.
Study seems inconclusive. Not sure why it was even published.

bronco67 01-03-2012 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18668953)
This is nothing new. There's been hundreds of articles released over the years asserting that Weed can exacerbate mental and behavioral disorders. If you're insinuating that this is some kind of veiled attempt to poison the well of public opinion because the powers that be are afraid of the Ron Paul message than i'd have to disagree with you. The majority of rational voting Americans recognize Ron Paul for what he is: a quack. And why do people think that if Ron Paul were elected weed would all of the sudden become legalized?



Just imagine what you would be thinking about if you were schizophrenic or bipolar.
I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but I think the government would like to keep illegal anything that will get people thinking too much. Look at booze. Arguably worse for your body than marijuana, takes up more space, can make you throw up, gives you a hangover and allows you to be the asshole that you suppress most of the time.

It's alcohol. You can make firebombs with it. People put it in their body and that's legal, yet smoking a medicinal herb that expands your mind is not legal.

NetHorse 01-03-2012 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18668816)
Weed can make you think you're going crazy... but once you realize it's just the weed then you're fine. All you need to do is acknowledge that the weed is effecting you and realize you'll be normal when it's over, then poof no psychosis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18668829)
if you have an underlying mental illness that you aren't aware of, smoking A LOT of weed could make you more aware of it. i've seen some people bug out but they were always kinda crazy anyways.
LOL, we aren't talking about panic attack or anxiety because you're too high.

People who are predisposed to schizophrenia and psychotic episodes are WAYYYYY more likely to experience them if they abuse Marijuana. We aren't talking about a panic attack just when high either, a serious sometimes permanent mental condition.

porno jew 01-03-2012 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18668987)
LOL, we aren't talking about panic attack or anxiety because you're too high.

People who are predisposed to schizophrenia and psychotic episodes are WAYYYYY more likely to experience them if they abuse Marijuana. We aren't talking about a panic attack just when high either, a serious sometimes permanent mental condition.
yes i know 2-3 personally. pretty much schizo now and living on disability. also couple close friends who got into weed and conspiracy theories who are extremely paranoid to the point it`s boring and pointless to talk to them. they see everything through a super-paranoid prison planet lens.

i am pro-pot and legalization but not naive that there can`t be downsides to it.

Shotsie 01-03-2012 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18668968)
I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but I think the government would like to keep illegal anything that will get people thinking too much. Look at booze. Arguably worse for your body than marijuana, takes up more space, can make you throw up, gives you a hangover and allows you to be the asshole that you suppress most of the time.

It's alcohol. You can make firebombs with it. People put it in their body and that's legal, yet smoking a medicinal herb that expands your mind is not legal.
If alcohol was just created today it would be a schedule 1 narcotic. If it hadn't played such a critical role in society, more specifically European society, for thousands of years it would be illegal.

HDADULT 01-03-2012 03:02 PM
I do know if I smoke to much, I feel like this.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oln_statue.jpg

INever 01-03-2012 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDADULT (Post 18668898)
I have to agree with this statement because marijuana opens up your eyes and windows to the world and how it really works. This will make you a fucking nuts.
Yeah, who knew 3 inch robot gnomes ran the world!!

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 01-03-2012 03:27 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2csibv8.jpg



Quote:
The findings of a study published earlier this week in the Archives of General Psychiatry alleging that smoking marijuana can 'double' one's risk of psychosis or schizophrenia are in conflict with those previous reviews and ought to be interpreted with caution, says NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano.

"Despite claims that marijuana use may play a causal role in diagnosed incidences of schizophrenia, there exists no empirical evidence anywhere on Earth indicating that populations which have experienced rising rates of cannabis use have also experienced a parallel increase in rates of mental illness," Armentano said.

Most recently, a 2009 systematic review published in the scientific journal Schizophrenia Research compared trends in marijuana use and incidences of schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005. Researchers reported that the "incidence and prevalence of schizophrenia and psychoses were either stable or declining" during this period, even the use of cannabis among the general population was rising.

Armentano said that a non-causal association likely exists between marijuana use and psychosis because the symptoms of mental illness often strike early in life ? at a time when young people are likely to be already experimenting with cannabis. He also speculated that some people diagnosed with psychotic disorders might be turning to cannabis after the onset of symptoms as a form of self-medication.

Ultimately, however, Armentano said that even if the latest concerns about the potential adverse effect of marijuana use are to be taken at face value, then such findings support a policy of cannabis legalization and regulation ? not criminal prohibition.

"Health risks connected with pot use ? when scientifically documented ? should not be seen as legitimate reasons for criminal prohibition, but instead, as reasons for the plant's legal regulation." he said. "For example, we as a society don't regulate the production, use, and sale of alcohol because it is innocuous, but rather because we acknowledge that its consumption, in some situations, may pose a risk of harm. Placed in this context, today's latest warnings do little to advance the government's position in favor of tightening prohibition, and provide ample ammunition to wage for its repeal."
:stoned

ADG

Operator 01-03-2012 03:30 PM
Unless you consider domestication natural, insanity is normal.

Badmaash 01-03-2012 03:40 PM
I love cannabis!

Caligari 01-03-2012 03:46 PM
They're just trying to drum up more "reefer madness" style bullshit like they did in the 1930's.
Same old crap, trot out some "expert" to make claims etc.

Let me put it this way- if you have a party of 20 "normal" people drinking heavily and a party of 20 "normal" people smoking a lot of pot, where will you see the psychotic behaviour?

.

$5 submissions 01-03-2012 03:57 PM
Water has some adverse health effects too (given the right circumstances) lol

Legalize Freedom

ThunderBalls 01-03-2012 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18668998)
yes i know 2-3 personally. pretty much schizo now and living on disability. also couple close friends who got into weed and conspiracy theories who are extremely paranoid to the point it`s boring and pointless to talk to them. they see everything through a super-paranoid prison planet lens.

i am pro-pot and legalization but not naive that there can`t be downsides to it.

What you're describing are right wing religious fanatics, has nothing to do with weed.

DarkJedi 01-03-2012 04:17 PM
i dont smoke, but every heavy weed smoker I know is fucking batshit crazy. must be coincidence.

uno 01-03-2012 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18668816)
Weed can make you think you're going crazy... but once you realize it's just the weed then you're fine. All you need to do is acknowledge that the weed is effecting you and realize you'll be normal when it's over, then poof no psychosis.
Same with shrooms, lsd, mescaline, etc.

TurboAngel 01-03-2012 04:54 PM
I call bullshit.

deadbabes 01-03-2012 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDADULT (Post 18669031)
I do know if I smoke to much, I feel like this.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oln_statue.jpg
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

StickyGreen 01-03-2012 04:59 PM
Obvious propaganda is obvious...

datingleads 01-03-2012 05:00 PM
it does

that's why we need to legalize it and only sell weak strains of it instead of this crazy 20% stuff that's all over the place now

CyberHustler 01-03-2012 05:30 PM
I'm about to smoke a joint of straight kief... my grinder got full.

ReggieDurango 01-03-2012 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18668816)
Weed can make you think you're going crazy... but once you realize it's just the weed then you're fine. All you need to do is acknowledge that the weed is effecting you and realize you'll be normal when it's over, then poof no psychosis.
Thats what you should also do when you are starting to freak out on shrooms!

SuckOnThis 01-03-2012 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by datingleads (Post 18669246)
it does

that's why we need to legalize it and only sell weak strains of it instead of this crazy 20% stuff that's all over the place now

:helpme :warning :helpme

bhutocracy 01-03-2012 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18668998)
yes i know 2-3 personally. pretty much schizo now and living on disability. also couple close friends who got into weed and conspiracy theories who are extremely paranoid to the point it`s boring and pointless to talk to them. they see everything through a super-paranoid prison planet lens.

i am pro-pot and legalization but not naive that there can`t be downsides to it.
Same here. For the life of me i'll never really understand the infantile relationship people build around pot. The constant need to defend it from any and all criticism.. The need to believe it's pure and innocent and plucked from Jesus's G-Spot for their personal consumption... The constant crying about alcohol as though it absolves pot's sins. Seriously grow the fuck up. It has benefits as well as negatives like pretty much everything else on the planet. If you don't think it has a causal link to psychosis you are naive or willfully ignorant.
Think of it this way, using alcohol again. There are almost monthly reports as to all the bad things booze does to you, gives you a dozen different kinds of cancer.. dementia, liver and kidney failure etc etc. When one of these comes out it isn't propaganda put out by the medical marijuana industry to take market share away from pot or (jesus skullfuck this is retarded) propaganda to push Romney ahead of Paul in the polls (seriously, back off to once a month cali/chuckle, you have proven yourself delusionally paranoid). It's just the constant background scientific inquiry. Your precious herb causes some level of harm. Deal with it. Pretty much everything in life does. Push for legalisation but don't be moronically blind. If you've been able to wake and bake every day for the last 5 years without developing any serious issues (besides the delusional thinking displayed in this thread), congratulations, you're not one of the people at risk of developing schizophrenia or drug psychosis. That doesn't mean there aren't millions of normal people out there at risk of triggering something they have no possible way of knowing about beforehand that should get some level of real information. Usage guidelines - amounts, frequencies, least harmful methods of use and warning signs to look out for before psychosis becomes more serious and semi-permanent.
Legalise it but minimise harm. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Same with pretty much every other drug and at the very least better mind openers like mescaline.

BlackCrayon 01-03-2012 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 18668987)
LOL, we aren't talking about panic attack or anxiety because you're too high.

People who are predisposed to schizophrenia and psychotic episodes are WAYYYYY more likely to experience them if they abuse Marijuana. We aren't talking about a panic attack just when high either, a serious sometimes permanent mental condition.
I was not talking about panic attacks, etc. fact is not only marijuana can bring out mental illness in people.

Peter Romero 01-03-2012 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18669131)
if you have a party of 20 "normal" people drinking heavily and a party of 20 "normal" people smoking a lot of pot, where will you see the psychotic behaviour?
.
QFT!!! How many "slower than the speed limit cuz paranoid" stoned driving accidents have there been this year where some idiot plows through a crowd of people? In fact... have there been any deaths associated with Marijuana? I don't smoke pot or drink alcohol but I'm leaning toward slower stoned driving being much, much, much safer.

papill0n 01-03-2012 07:41 PM
I have 14 mental illnesses and a big bag of dope

bhutocracy 01-03-2012 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Romero (Post 18669460)
QFT!!! How many "slower than the speed limit cuz paranoid" stoned driving accidents have there been this year where some idiot plows through a crowd of people? In fact... have there been any deaths associated with Marijuana? I don't smoke pot or drink alcohol but I'm leaning toward slower stoned driving being much, much, much safer.
False dichotomy much? You are a fuckhead if you drive drunk OR stoned and should be punished with the full weight of the law.

ThunderBalls 01-03-2012 08:18 PM
States That Legalized Medical Marijuana Saw Fewer Traffic Deaths, Study Says


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1176856.html

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 01-03-2012 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 18669431)
Same here. For the life of me i'll never really understand the infantile relationship people build around pot. The constant need to defend it from any and all criticism.. The need to believe it's pure and innocent and plucked from Jesus's G-Spot for their personal consumption... The constant crying about alcohol as though it absolves pot's sins. Seriously grow the fuck up. It has benefits as well as negatives like pretty much everything else on the planet. If you don't think it has a causal link to psychosis you are naive or willfully ignorant.

Think of it this way, using alcohol again. There are almost monthly reports as to all the bad things booze does to you, gives you a dozen different kinds of cancer.. dementia, liver and kidney failure etc etc. When one of these comes out it isn't propaganda put out by the medical marijuana industry to take market share away from pot or (jesus skullfuck this is retarded) propaganda to push Romney ahead of Paul in the polls (seriously, back off to once a month cali/chuckle, you have proven yourself delusionally paranoid). It's just the constant background scientific inquiry. Your precious herb causes some level of harm. Deal with it. Pretty much everything in life does.

Push for legalisation but don't be moronically blind. If you've been able to wake and bake every day for the last 5 years without developing any serious issues (besides the delusional thinking displayed in this thread), congratulations, you're not one of the people at risk of developing schizophrenia or drug psychosis. That doesn't mean there aren't millions of normal people out there at risk of triggering something they have no possible way of knowing about beforehand that should get some level of real information. Usage guidelines - amounts, frequencies, least harmful methods of use and warning signs to look out for before psychosis becomes more serious and semi-permanent.

Legalise it but minimise harm. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Same with pretty much every other drug and at the very least better mind openers like mescaline.
http://weedporndaily.com/wp-content/...11-560x406.jpg

Many of us whom consume cannabis are well aware of the health risks associated with smoking marijuana. Many of the same carcinogens present in smoking tobacco are ingested when cannabis is smoked.

That is why I am an outspoken proponent for healthier methods of consuming cannabis, specifically, via vaporization or edibles.

I have to say that living in a State where medical cannabis is legal is wonderful. A lot of kinks still need to be worked out of the system to make it better, and there is the ever-present danger that opponents of legalization will try to remove this current Medical Marijuana right we have as a result of a voter mandated initiative, however I think that most people are starting to realize that marijuana should be legal and regulated (although individuals should be able to continue to legally grow their own plants, since marijuana is way over-priced).

This post brought to you in part by Jack's Haze and True OG... :stoned

ADG

Odin 01-03-2012 10:08 PM
I smoke instead of drinking. So usually once a week on the weekends. That said, those I know who do smoke daily tend to develop mental issues. Like anything, weed isn't good if it is abused. Whether to legalize it or not? I don't know. I think decriminalizing it is fine as well. It easy enough to get for those who want it, and hard enough for those who may be casually influenced. That said, I do firmly believe alcohol is much worse.

DaddyHalbucks 01-03-2012 11:14 PM
One way or another there will be weed.

The question is: do we want to spend zillions on courts, jails, and enriching the cartels?

StickyGreen 01-03-2012 11:34 PM
Ron Paul: Cancel war on drugs...it undermines civil liberties and magnifies border issues...and kids still get the drugs

StickyGreen 01-03-2012 11:36 PM
Cannabis Cures Cancer? http://dotsub.com/media/fc4e051a-170...6c9f/embed/eng

Boy, two, with brain cancer is 'cured' after secretly being fed Cannabis Oil by his father http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...na-father.html

Why do you think the human body has CANNABINOID receptors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0417193338.htm

Cannabis compound stops spread of breast cancer http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...is-cancer.html

bhutocracy 01-04-2012 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18669529)

Many of us whom consume cannabis are well aware of the health risks associated with smoking marijuana. Many of the same carcinogens present in smoking tobacco are ingested when cannabis is smoked.

That is why I am an outspoken proponent for healthier methods of consuming cannabis, specifically, via vaporization or edibles.

ADG
Aye, vaporizing a couple of times a month isn't going to really hurt anybody, most likely even the psychologically at risk (providing they don't do it all day long when they do it). Like anything it's safety and moderation. It's the difference between a glass or two of red wine once or twice a week with it's cancer prevention properties vs binge drinking vodka and four loko every day. You'd hope once it's legalised we do the same thing we do with alcohol, set medically/psychologically "safe" limits and have consumption guidelines, safe blood THC levels for driving etc.

scottybuzz 01-04-2012 02:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18669686)
Cannabis Cures Cancer? http://dotsub.com/media/fc4e051a-170...6c9f/embed/eng

Boy, two, with brain cancer is 'cured' after secretly being fed Cannabis Oil by his father http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...na-father.html

Why do you think the human body has CANNABINOID receptors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0417193338.htm

Cannabis compound stops spread of breast cancer http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...is-cancer.html
did you not read any of the other posts? do you not see that the people are saying it is ok, but people should be aware of the side effects?

The links you posted could easily be countered by somebody posting links about the negative effects. But wait, the links with the negative effects are propaganda? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

weed is not some fucking miracle drug that will save the world.

NetHorse 01-04-2012 05:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18669686)
Cannabis Cures Cancer? http://dotsub.com/media/fc4e051a-170...6c9f/embed/eng

Boy, two, with brain cancer is 'cured' after secretly being fed Cannabis Oil by his father http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...na-father.html

Why do you think the human body has CANNABINOID receptors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0417193338.htm

Cannabis compound stops spread of breast cancer http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...is-cancer.html
And here we go. Let me guess, you're the kind of person who would ignore 15 times as many articles citing the dangers on the basis it's 'government propaganda'.

Weed is not as bad as a lot of hard drugs, but the people who get stoned all day and tell themselves it's perfectly healthy are delusional.

Here is a fact for you, marijuana smoke contains asinine amounts of tar and carbon monoxide. Smoke it all day and it's not going to cure cancer.

Here is a picture of resin from a bowl to look at while you attempt to argue how pot is healthy.

http://cdn0.wn.com/ph/img/39/b9/b033...7ae-grande.jpg

CyberHustler 01-04-2012 06:33 AM
You do not have to smoke weed, smoking anything is bad. For example if you eat the weed, physical health issues from the weed no longer exist... but if you're weak minded then you still have to deal with the psychological issues. If you can't deal with the psychological issues then you should stop using because it just ain't for you.

bronco67 01-04-2012 06:55 AM
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/v...ourceID=000145


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