Don't ever do a brake job on an early 90s Honda Accord
 

Or any other car with captive rotors

If you have a vehicle with captive rotors, leave your chair immediately, run outside and find a mechanic - have the mechanic convert your braking system to something reasonable - do it now - there is no time to lose, here.

Captive rotor braking systems are dangerous because:

1. When you're changing the rotors you may murder someone
2. If you have the rotors changed somewhere, who ever does it may murder you
3. You're supposed to replace the whole hub assembly instead of just changing rotors which could cause rioting once people find out how much it costs

I'm all afternoon and into late evening out in the cold yesterday thanks to bad engineering.. Honda is pretty damn good at turning tin into something half way drivable that will run forever like some kind of bionic cockaroach.. but on this one they can SUCK IT.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If anyone ever approaches you asking you to work on their early nineties Honda Accord braking system, the correct quote is $48,379 PER SIDE. The guy who helped me quoted me $70 not realizing the car had these captive rotors and now he hates himself. I don't think the poor man will ever be the same :(

i have a 2006 honda crv and just replaced front and rear pads and rotors with no problem i did a google search on captive rotors and could not find a good reason why they would be hard to replace.

yeah, those look like a pain in the ass compared to a normal rotor.

The bearing assembly may as well have been WELDED to the knuckle

Nothing has ever been worse than removing the steering rack on an R32 skyline. The spacial combination lock was RETARDED.

You have mad problems.

Its nothing that the correct tools cant handle.

That happens when you spend too much time in the most negative thinking ass backward soul dead place on the face of the planet.. I think that people in third world countries eating mud cakes have more positive vibes than people around here. Add to that all of the drinking I managed to do to myself and BLAM. "Mad problems". :1orglaugh

Sure it'd be nice to have a lift and the jaws of life .. we had everything else .. even tried using an air hammer
Oh well, fuck it - the shop wanted close to $500 and I got it done for the $70 I paid the guy (he is ASE certified and has done this shit all of his life, plus he take the time to make sure everything is done RIGHT) and I ended up spending $25 on a new rotor since we broke one. I saved $400 and that is a lot to me. I wouldn't do it again. LoL!!

I know some mechanics that don't even want to do it.

I must applaud their refusing to be abused :1orglaugh

You forgot to use the youtube bracket things, stupid :mad:

Sorry about that :1orglaugh

I don't do brake jobs for friends unless they are straight forward disc designs. Drum brakes are "easy" but the springs are a pain in the ass, and I won't touch anything that will take me more than 30 minutes PER SIDE (front and rear) without the use of a lift or air tools.

The crazy part is.. this guy who worked on it for me not only stuck with his original price.. but he took all kinds of extra time taking care of little details like finding the correct specs and turning the rotor himself(they turn rotors at the parts store for $10 - but this guy knew them so he just waltzes back there and starts showing the guy who was supposed to do it HOW to do it, and they ended up not charging me). He even packed and banded the CV boot for me at no extra charge (5 minute job but still, I appreciated it).

Even more crazy he told me if I know anyone else who needs this done he only wants $75 per side!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oHhgllqSKro

Sign of the times.

Why would anyone bother working on an early 90's Honda Accord? You probably buy another used one for almost nothing --- if there's still another one on earth that isn't in a scrap heap somewhere.

learn to do it. man its not hard at all. :2 cents:

Well, good info.

I did learn how to do it.. and it sure as hell wasn't easy

Needs a bigger wing

You and your mechanic are not the brightest crayons in the box...its no harder than a regular brake job.

My dad's a tv repair man and he's got this killer set of tools. I can fix it.

You seem to know what you're talking about a lot of the time, but you're completely wrong. On a normal car you take the wheel of, move the caliper out of your way, take a couple bolts out and BLAM - the rotor is off.

On this car you have to take all kinds of other shit apart and then there are these two pieces that are so well stuck together they may as well be fucking welded.

You have to spray it with penetrating oil (which isn't a good idea for other reasons, but you have to) and then hammer and hammer and pry and hammer and fight with it until it finally BEGINS to break free. There's no way around that - we had an air hammer and everything else.

The guy I was working with is ASE certified and has been a mechanic his whole life.

he's right. I've been there and it ain't fun.

But if you want real fun, try changing the air brakes on a garbage truck, where you have to clamp an extremely high pressure spring with a vise grip, hoping that it doesn't come loose and shoot through your head -- all the while dodging garbage juice drippings from the hopper(the place where all the garbage goes).

Propane torch, impact wrench, 5lb shop hammer, done.

there's 20 pieces or less. watch a video on taking it apart. i change the head gasket on a nova i had by myself straight 6 and sealed the first time. My first time ever i was 17. :helpme

You can't use a torch because you'll destroy the bearing .. we used a torch for some of the other shit.. and like I said, we had air impact tools.. and sledge hammers and air hammers

Any mechanic working on fwd cars should have one of these, Hub Shark

This tool makes those honda rotor changes easy.

Wow
That would have been nice to have

if you don't want to spend the money. you can loan one at your nearest auto parts store. :2 cents: