Originally Posted by xxxupdate (Post 18689628)

wouldn't every county in the world have to agree with this i.e. i could host my website in Sweden and i would be immune to the law you propose ?

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 18689630)

We threat pirates to play audio Compilation of all Paul Markham posts on gfy at their home 24/7 unless they close their sites :D

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18689652)

U wont solve the problem of piracy, just like the law has not solved the problem of drug abuse, murders, robbery or any other crimes.

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18689652)

U wont solve the problem of piracy, just like the law has not solved the problem of drug abuse, murders, robbery or any other crimes.

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18689652)

U wont solve the problem of piracy, just like the law has not solved the problem of drug abuse, murders, robbery or any other crimes.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18689670)

So don't have any laws on any crimes.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18689625)

The underlying problem with piracy is, for some it's profitable at the cost of of others. Usually the producers and vendors of the product being pirated. The list of those profiting from piracy includes the domain owner, the advertisers, processing and hosting companies.

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 18689681)

Yes Paul, that's the answer (looks around for Sleazy) IDIOT. :)

Laws don't make problems go away, they deter reasonable people from committing crimes using penalties as a consequence. We call the ones they don't deter criminals.

Like most areas, Copyright doesn't need new laws, it needs enforcement of the existing laws. But that isn't sexy or headline grabbing so politicians prefer new laws so they can make speeches and garner attention.

What we don't want is laws that task enforcement of the law to companies instead of law enforcement. That is when you see a total loss of control and reason.

Laws that remove the courts and Law Enforcement agencies from the process are bad laws.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18689625)

So how will it be paid for?
I did a quick search and found these stats on registered domains http://www.whois.sc/internet-statistics/. All 135,998,004 Seemed smaller than I thought but enough to carry the costs. A $1 tax on every domain registered will cover the costs and won't be too much to deter people taking a domain. Plus court costs can be added to any damages claim. Just lie a court of law. It can be a court of law. But it needs to be dealt with speedily.

Of course at the moment just a kernel of an idea. but it seems it has few flaws and just needs a bit of work to get it into legal jargon and makes companies or persons more proactive in self regulating themselves.

Comments please.

Originally Posted by bristarrmodel (Post 18689820)

If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18689829)

Then don't buy it. It's that simple.

A Rolex costs $20,000, why does it cost so much? ... I think I should be allowed to steal it instead. No you either do without, work harder to afford it or buy from a less expensive watch maker. Pretty fucking simple.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18689925)

Piracy can be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced just by taking down the websites that pirate. Lets say 90% of the worlds population who download pirate content do it from 20-30 top pirate websites. Take out the top players and the pirate industry will be hit hard. Keep taking down the top players and most people won't know where to go. There is no 100% solution to piracy but 95% of the pirate sites can be taken down within a matter of minutes. And the new emerging "players" in the field can be systematically taken down as soon as they appear


Laws DO work. A good example is the child abuse film "industry" that is all but gone from the net. Sure you can find it if you really want but its not easy to get and it is definitely something that one can control.

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 18689785)

not gonna happen, thread closed

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18689674)

Right now, there are people selling bootleg disney dvds out of their trunk in Southern California. My sister in East LA always has the brand new releases on dvd she buys for like 5 bucks from some Mexican lady. You can get anything you want like that.

When I lived in LA, across the street was a grocery store and every single day there was a table outside with pirated movies for sale. ALL. DAY. LONG. lol

Now how to stop that? lol good luck. At least with porn they can't pirate it and sell it all over mainstream venues like swap meets. That is a good thing, adults only!!

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18689961)

Intuitively, it seems like lower prices might reduce theft. Fortunately we don't have to rely on what seems like a reasonable guess because we have actual facts that answer that question.
Music is ONE DOLLAR and still it's stolen more often than anything else. That, to me, pretty much answers the pricing question. What really happens is that even a price of one measily dollar doesn't reduce theft, so that guess was wrong, even though it seemed like a reasonable guess.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18689835)

Say what you want about Paul being outdated. The one thing for sure is he isn't is a thief like some in this industry. If being outdated means being honest then I'm outdated as well.

Originally Posted by bristarrmodel (Post 18689820)

If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?

Originally Posted by bristarrmodel (Post 18689820)

If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18689792)

You're out in the cold Paul. Left behind. You missed the boat.

Sadly this is true for you. There was a point to pivot into turning all this in your favor. You missed it still trying to fight.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18690011)

So do away with affiliates and the cost drops 50%, or drop their payments to 5%. Then sell 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 day memberships at $1 a day. Limit download of course. Don't keep continually updating which is a big cost and people can pop over to other sites. Unless you iTunes and have a million customers paying every day.

iTunes model. I suggested that a year or so and people rubbished the idea. Now it's something people are proposing. :helpme

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18689829)

Then don't buy it. It's that simple.

A Rolex costs $20,000, why does it cost so much? ... I think I should be allowed to steal it instead. No you either do without, work harder to afford it or buy from a less expensive watch maker. Pretty fucking simple.

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18689969)

It'll happen if only because the big money (Hollywood and the music industry) needs it to happen in order to survive.

SOPA or something like it will happen and it will happen soon.

And if it's a watered down SOPA that passes, congress will then slip it the steroids it needs in another bill when no one is looking.
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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18689961)

Intuitively, it seems like lower prices might reduce theft. Fortunately we don't have to rely on what seems like a reasonable guess because we have actual facts that answer that question.
Music is ONE DOLLAR and still it's stolen more often than anything else. That, to me, pretty much answers the pricing question. What really happens is that even a price of one measily dollar doesn't reduce theft, so that guess was wrong, even though it seemed like a reasonable guess.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18690044)

you realize statements like that are whathe going to make sure the bill never passes.

or only pass with abuse it and lose it penalty.

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18690043)

But right now there are 2 easy ways for people to get porn without paying, tubes and lockers. Both make money off your content. How are you going to stop them?

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18689948)

Blame google and other indexing search engines for the fast growth of piracy, The very people smut peddlars use to make money from. You take one down another pops ups or the technology for file sharing changes.. and to compare it to child abuse films is way off. Most prob 99% of people know that its wrong to abuse children, its a totaly different story to piracy, You talk to most youngsters and they have no problem sharing files, Society does not tell them that it is wrong to file share like it is to abuse children, Its going to take a very long time, if ever for society to do the same thing about file sharing.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18690089)

Yes people know that child abuse is wrong and torrenting isnt but this was not my point. The point is that pedo crap is extremely hard to find for the normal user. The same can be done with pirate sites. Child porn was removed from the net not because people knew it was wrong but because something was actually done against it. My point is that the same can be done with piracy. Most of it can be removed from the net, it is technically possible and it can be kept that way.

Nothing is impossible and I don't see a reason why piracy can't be dealt with the same way, just take away the popular places and you have solved most of the problem.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18689914)

Are you really this fucking simple minded? When I jump into discussion on GFY I like to assume that no matter how much I call you an idiot that you are at least intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying. The more I read from you the more I believe that you actually are this stupid.

Let's break this shit down.

You were asked "If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?"

A reasonable question because places like STEAM have shown that if you price your digital goods at a level that your consumers consider acceptable and provide a good user experience then piracy is mostly a non issue.

You responded with what I quoted above.



$30 per month porn is Rolex pricing in the internet world. Not for all, just most.



Oh this argument again? Nobody here is saying that anyone should be able to steal your shit, just that you can't fucking stop it. Can you get that through your head? You can't fucking stop this shit, you aren't going to, you are going to have to adjust, die or float along at a fraction of your former glory because you are too bitter and stubborn to do anything about it.



I sure do, too bad most of the internet does not give a fuck about L-Pink from GFY. Now what are you going to do? The law is not going to save you, ever.

Also, you're all self righteous about how you would never pirate anything so obviously you must be an upstanding moral citizen that doesn't do anything one would find questionable. You know, like produce or sell porn?

The fact of the matter is that piracy can't be stopped. When someone tells you that and you jump in with all the reasons you are against it *again* it makes you look retarded. We know you are against it, almost every fucking person here would be happy if magically stopped tomorrow but it's not going to happen.

And one more tidbit just for the record. Copyright laws were intended to keep the flow of information going. They were not created with the purpose of making sure you get paid for every video of a girl being tag teamed by 5 guys that you "own". They begrudgingly accepted the fact that "artistic works" would be copyrighted to give you a monetary incentive to keep releasing them to the public but they never gave a shit about you making money from your ideas. Copyright was for the greater good of society, not your pocketbook. The only reason that all of the arguments fall onto protecting your income streams is that corporations have a lopsided influence on our laws.

Cheers