Video Secrets commission change?
 

* This product contains free credits for the customer. The amount shown reflects the purchase price minus the cost of the free credits.

Any other affiliates notice this in their account? Why are we having the cost of free credits given away taken from our commissions? Why weren't we even notified of this change?

better call the submariner.

who promote VS ? i really don't care

Peekshows doesn't do they, they still pay straight up. I have a studio with them and also am a affiliate.

Falling profits is all I can think of.

Nothing stays the same ?

I'm sure they are doing it for good reason. To make you more money in the long run.

Companies flat out change names

Don't worry, that sale will probably be charged back.

I generate a lot of sales with VS and since I remember it was like that (I'm promoting them over 3 years).

I've been promoting them for over 2 years, not quite three, and have never once seen this until yesterday. Two purchases of $89.99 both with this asterisk attached.

I would love to know why my commissions should be shorted for free credits. To me, this makes absolutely no sense at all.

I saw many webmasters here trying to tell you about VS and what they've done in the past. Lesson learned?

There are an equal number who support them, and they've always made me money and paid on time. Though, I do understand the past issues and have read all the comments and threads made about them. What company doesn't have a negative thread, or a negative policy at one point or another? Do I choose the company that allows cookie stuffing, or the one that has their pop under on every illegal tube, or the one that owns all the tubes and a cam site, or...

http://www.flirt4free.com/promos/

Looks like you got the manager's special discount, lucky guy.

That basically is the question I'm asking here. Look at all the promotions they've had in just the past two months, and it's been like that for years. Why yesterday did I start being deducted for credits given away in these promotions?

Whoever thought of this promotional structure deserves a raise, honestly, It's genius...

Customers: get free credits to spend on the models and longer shows.

Models: get more credits spent on them, more customers spending, and promotional prizes.

Video Secrets: gets more models online, more traffic to the site, more paying customers, increases in spending, and bills the affiliate for the free credits that brought these benefits to the customers, models, and Video Secrets.

Affiliates: get royally fucked and don't even get to watch the show they were billed for.

I don't see it like this.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong then. How do you see it?

Thats a little shady IMO...

Free credits should not be deducted from an affiliate.. They're not deducted from a model are they?? NO..

Thats basicly like deducting 28.95 from an affiliates $30 commission because the surfer opted into a $1.00 trial.. That's retarded..

I like VS.. but that logic is pinching pennies a little too hard..

That's the part that gets to me the most. The models are getting more credits, from more customers, and even given prizes on top of that, and now the affiliates are paying for those extra credits. I'm not saying the models don't deserve the credits, but the affiliates shouldn't have to pay for them.

They were looking for ways to minimize commissions from webmasters in the past and they are doing it now to you as well. This seldom ends well for the webmaster.

I agree, and if this is going to be a permanent change I'll be focusing on other companies. I'm glad it happened so early in this year. I've quit my "day job" and have become a full-time affiliate. Mostly still in mainstream as that's what has allowed me to quit the day job, but I'm spending 3-4 times more time in adult. I'll just explore what other options are out there.

Vendzilla is in every webcam thread spamming VideoSecrets. Here, he's nowhere to be seen.

Obama is the best president in history and vendzilla knows nothing about submarines.

There ya go. You're welcome.

He'll be here soon.

No one from VS has answered an email I sent about a week and a half ago looking for suggestions and advice and no one has answered an email sent last night about this either. I'm not holding my breath for any responses.

It may be better if I don't say anything but then again I never have been too smart.

I admit I know very little about affiliate sales accept that you get paid a % of the sale or for each sign up...

So would it not be true that if these promotions drive up sales, there being more sales, more demand for the product that you are selling, there would be more commissions for you as an affiliate.

From what I understand the credits given away are 300 which would be 5 minutes or 30 bucks and these are only to new customers.

So if I am correct you want VS to pay you 2 bucks, the model / studio 2 bucks and not earn anything but loose 4 bucks?

My next question would be if VS is giving away 300 credits and you don't earn your 2 bucks on the free 300 credits, do you earn your commission when the customer returns and buys a 1000 credits. I think so..

Seems to me that VS is creating a lost leader helping you sell the customers that you send there.

If anyone has the right to bitch it is the models that have to put up with a bunch of ingrates taking them private for 1 minute and saying take off your cloths bitch...:winkwink:

But then what do I know.

My repeat rev share customers were the ones with the asterisk. They were not new customers.

How many of the free credits did I have to pay for, was it just 2 bucks or did they take away 30 bucks? The original purchase price wasn't shown, how convenient.

As far as the models having more of a right to bitch than I do, they are given all their money, even if it's free credits on top of promotion prizes. What did I get besides fucked?

*Also, many of the repeat customers tend to wait for another promotion to purchase their credits, since there is one almost every other day. Now I'll be getting fucked every other day. So yes, great, my rev share customers will continue to buy like always, except now I'll be getting less.

Spamming spammers

this has been the normal pay out for some time we use this strategy to get members that either have not converted or not converted in some time . we have found that this has worked very well for getting members to spend money and get more revenue in the long run to our affiliates . These credits are sold to members at a deep discount to the members .
im not in the office im listening to the keynote at internext.

remember we give 120 free credits to new customers

One of the members who was given the discount has made the following purchases recently:

Nov 28 2011: $214.99
Dec 04 2011: $27.99
Dec 04 2011: $99.99
Dec 17 2011: $27.99
Dec 17 2011: $27.99
Dec 24 2011: $74.99
Jan 06 2012: $99.99
Jan 16 2012: $89.99 (discount first shows up as deducted)

So as far as this member not converting, that's just not true. Since August of 2009, the month of my first sale, this discount was either not deducted until January 16th 2012, or was not disclosed until January 16th 2012 when the 2 asterisks showed up.

So, a few questions:

- Were the free credits always deducted from the affiliates commission and not disclosed until yesterday, or did they just begin the deductions from affiliate commissions yesterday?

- How much is deducted from the affiliate commission, the entire amount of the free credits, a percentage, or a set amount and what is the exact amount or percentage?

- Why isn't this in the TOS or calculated in the commission percentages given to affiliates upon sign up, and advertised on the Video Secrets website?

Thank you.

bump for answers

When you have a question about billing, I would appreicate that you contact us and wait longer than 5 minutes before bringing to the forums.
The sales crew has been in Las Vegas for Internext, doing our job and having meetings with affiliates to build relationships.
This is our job, we keep regular hours and I spend time above that handling forums and emails to strenghten those relationships.
Bumping a thread to have some math done that I need to get exact numbers from billing, is not going to get you answered any faster and your attitude of posting a complaint 5 minutes after emailing your rep several hours after regular working hours in completely un professional.
I will make sure your questions are answered tomorrow, your account is valued, but to answer it correctly, I have to get with billing to make sure of the numbers

This is something we have been doing for some time with a lot of success, if it didn't, we would have stopped.

The free 120 credits is also incentive to get members purchasing credits

This strategy works. We have a lot of affiliates that will confirm that

evasive as usual. should have asked about submarines, obama or weed.

I've been emailing my rep for nearly 2 weeks now. Not about this issue, but emailing him none the less. Why would I expect an answer about this issue through email when I can't get a simple advice email answered? If it's unprofessional to hold absolutely no confidence in a support email being answered, than I'm unprofessional, so be it. I think like most other affiliates here, we get fucked around and our questions dodged until we find that GFY is the best place to get real answers, because it's public. And my questions still aren't being answered, go figure.

What I find unprofessional is either being untold anywhere about free credits being deducted from affiliate commissions, or not being notified of the change that started yesterday in which free credits are being deducted from affiliate commissions.

This isn't a thread about math, and you still haven't answered any of the questions, the most important being, Were the free credits always deducted from the affiliates commission and not disclosed until yesterday, or did they just begin the deductions from affiliate commissions yesterday? That's not a math question and can surely be handled easily. I can wait until you find a calculator for the others.

Whether you value my account or not remains to be seen in the answers given.

This is about a rev share customer and the notice that the free credits being given to him are being deducted from my commissions, not a 120 credit gimmick for a sing up. There have been offers of 350 free credits to rev share customers who repeatedly buy, and now I find out that I may be paying for these promotions.

One more thing before I step out for a few hours to go get some work done myself. Being scolded like I'm a child about professionalism from a man who publicly threatens people to cage fights and is in constant political battles while representing a company is a joke. It's absurd that some affiliate representatives look at affiliates as people who are done a huge favor by being allowed to go out and constantly build sites, and links, and bring customers to the company. Like we owe you and don't deserve the simple respect of returning emails. This is a joke.

video secrets also reduces your rev share percentage if you don't continually send the new joins.

Still no email response to my question 2 weeks ago, or to this latest issue. While you're out there "having meetings with affiliates to build relationships", how about someone from Video Secrets putting some effort into our relationship? At least give me a phone call and tell me we're breaking up but we can still be friends.

First, you know I'm not your rep, I saw the email you sent about this matter, and it was this matter I was referring about.

You keep saying this is new, it's been going on for a long time, our promo days have been very successful in getting our members buying credits. We're thinking long term here, you should do the same.

When a customer purchases a product that has free credits, the cost of those free credits is deducted from the transaction amount prior to import into the affiliate system. This is not about the free 120 credits we give out at the beginning.

As for my conduct on this forum and others, I speak my mind, I don't hold back and I don't lie, this is the kind of rep I want on my accounts.

If you don't agree with me, that's fine, I hear from people all the time, they love to read my posts. I'm not going to back down from a key board warrior who thinks they can say anything they want and not feel heat from me about it. I'm all about having a discussion with people and I have my own opinion, people that want me to shut down are idiots for wanting to limit free speech and trying to make a living in this business. I love it when people have different opinions, if we didn't, what would we discuss?

Again, we value your account, you stand up for us in threads and I value that, but you are going to have to remember, this is Go Fuck Yourself, something I was reminded of when I moderated this forum.

Resend your question to Matt, CC me on it

Lecture me on professionalism and then remind me it's GFY, that's rich.

Yes, all the questions are now being answered and they are all the same, the affiliate gets the short end of the stick.

Do you realize what I've seen out of VS in just the past 2 years?

- A 30% commission that went from what 2,000 to 10,000
- A canonical URL to Flirt4Free stuck in my white label that killed it's search engine rankings that had to be built back up
- A WL domain change because you didn't like the word teen, so again, search engine killer and build back up
- Informed that if affiliates don't produce a new sale within 6 months ALL of their revshare is bumped down to 5% even though it's promoted at 20% lifetime
- Just informed on the 16th that commissions were being affected by an asterisk in my account
- No changes to affiliate tools and I can't even get an flv dump after 2 requests of your own tube videos to help promote

Yet, after all that, I took my sales from 12 in 2009, to 120 in 2010, to 491 in 2011, and was seeking advice and planning on at least doubling or tripling that number in 2012. But, where is the incentive?

Eh, fuck it, I'm done with my rant, this gets me no where. I'll just work harder for someone else so that I can come back to this thread next year and say I made a 1,000 sales with another cam company.

Again, I saw one email, it was dated and timed 5 minutes before this thread started.

Affiliate tools are getting a big boost in hopefully less than 2 weeks, I'm more than happy to talk to you about it.

I cant find any asterisks in may stats.