Wil Wheaton Says Chris Dodd Is Lying About Lost Jobs; Says MPAA Accounting Creates More Losses Than
 

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...n-piracy.shtml

yeah those politician bribing assholes are cockroaches

Those would be crickets.

Will Wheaton, world's best expert on...um... well... on... performing as Ensign Crusher on an outdated television series.
Ahh yeah, that was what he is an expert on.
I almost forgot.

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real shame how his career just died after that show.

Here is Wheaton's quote from the article: "I have lost more money to creative accounting, and American workers have lost more jobs to runaway production, than anything associated with what the MPAA calls piracy. Chris Dodd is lying about piracy costing us jobs. Hollywood’s refusal to adapt to changing times is what’s costing the studios money. That’s it."

I will agree with him that the entertainment industry itself is rife with "creative accounting" and various things that fuck people out of money. Also, Chris Doddis for sale and is corrupt. However, he is free to finance his own project, distribute how he sees fit and make his own money outside the system. Just like if you are a construction worker who works for a union and you are sick of the union you are free to leave, start your own construction company and do your own thing.

Will Weaton is a boss. No one else can tell me otherwise.

Yup, clearly imdb is where people should go to get the credentials of people discussing economic policy.

he is not discussing economic policy he is talking about piracy and the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

he is also free to speak out against the trade organizations

and make it clear they don't represent him in this "fight"

Never heard of those.

You are correct. But if he is going to make accusations like he has perhaps he should show some stats or facts to back that up.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ofitable.shtml

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...10310122.shtml

those facts are already a public record

and unlike the claims of loses from piracy, which are based on speculation/insane assumptions that 100% of downloads would have bought the most expensive copy they could have, those number are hard real costs.

So ... anyone else digging the file-locker meltdown?

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Fair enough.

Shut up, Wesley

The MPAA tried that, but then had to admit they were lying cunts and made it all up.

Everyone who cares what Wil Wheaton has to say raise your hand...


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Sorry Wil that only counts as one.



Next, everyone who cares what Gideon has to say raise YOUR hand...


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You couldn't be more wrong...actually.

who are you to believe, a scumbag politician with an agenda or some actor who gains nothing by saying this.

:1orglaugh

Okay I admit I may have been a bit hasty. I now stand corrected.

There are two people who care what Wil Wheaton has to say. :D

even without agenda they both can just be dumb.

the existence of corporations dates back to creating them so when they fail loss is not distributed to owners :)

the nature of a corporation is that safety. however, this is exploiting that...

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somehow i bet that a lot more then you have.

This is wrong. Hollywood controls the majority of distribution channels from the theaters to most media stores to the actual ratings systems. It's a racket through and through.

While nothing is stopping Wheaton from getting investors, producing his own stuff, Hollywood and the distribution companies are still the gatekeepers. For him to sell his stuff on iTunes, he needs to have a rating that has to be paid for that is also run by the movie studios. Don't pay for the rating, can't distribute on iTunes much less advertise on broadcast networks.

Hollywood controls nearly every viable avenue when it comes to movies. The fact that Darth Vader still has not received residuals because Return of the Jedi still has yet to show a profit exposes the creative accounting that goes on. There is a reason Hollywood spends as much money as they do on lobbying and it's not because they want a level playing field to compete on.

so with this logic does that make paris hilton your abe lincoln?

gideongallbladder is really getting desperate it's been a tough couple of weeks :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I won't argue that they the major Hollywood players control most of the main distribution networks, but there are plenty of other options. Kevin Smith recently did what they call 4 walling for his last movie. He personally took it from town to town and did screenings then held Q&A sessions after the movie. He rented out independently owned theaters and cut all the middle men out of the deal.

A person could do that, then sell their DVD on their website and Amazon as well as other places and they potentially could get pay per view options and even license it to cable/TV.

It isn't an ideal situation, but it could be done and if it is done correctly a person potentially could make more than if they just starred in a movie someone else owned.

And how successful would kevin smith at promoting that run, if copyright holders had to sopa level censorship powers for his shit that should not be bit.

I don't see how a law like SOPA would stop Kevin Smith from 4 walling his movie just like he did.

as soon as he starred in one successful movie where he has a share in profit he's allowed to talk

and so are you, giddy

I fucked his mum

and how does he sell out the theaters then

he sells them out because he has an audience of 300k people listening to his pod cast

have you ever listen to it

http://shitthatshouldnotbe.com/


would die if he had to run around getting permission for all those clips

it is fair use commentary, that makes fun of fuck ups in movies (like companies are going to authorize that)

he was in star trek moron

that the point of reference for his complaint.

I'm sure it is only his podcast and not the millions of fans he has built up over a career of making movies. IMDB says that Kevin Smith has directed 17 different things. Of what they have listed I have seen 7 of those. I am obviously not the biggest Kevin Smith fan in the world, but I do consider myself a fan of his and I have never heard of his podcast, yet I still heard about him taking Red State on the road.

Still, if he is using those clips in a legitimate fair use way he should still have no problem. If a copyright holder filed a complaint against him he might have to prove the fair use rights, but so long as he is not doing anything shady he should have no worries.

first of all i said successful...

then i said with a share in profits

when you got your money already and dont give a shit how much profit something makes it's easy to talk

but who do i explain....

you are truly delusional if you believe they are going because of his podcast.

hollywood has made him a very wealthy man.

so know your arguing that you have to get fucked over by hollywood accounting 17 times and then you can finally get paid fairly

let me ask you a question what showing of red state did you go too?

as far as i am aware of he sold out every appearance using his smodcasts except for one

and he bitched about how much money he wasted because of the way he was forced to advertise that appearance to get oscar consideration.

http://www.movieline.com/2011/07/28/...ualifying-run/

"using his smodcasts" fuck you are stupid lol. like really really neanderthal stupid.

star trek the next generation had many "profit sharing" parts to it, merchandising being a big one. Go to a convention ask any of those stars what they think of the likeness licencing deal.

they all got fucked up the ass on those deals because of hollywood accounting.

But the reason it worked for Kevin Smith is because he is Kevin Smith. He already has an established film career. For many new filmmakers with no installed fan base, it's damn near impossible.

He chose to enter into the Hollywood system. Nobody held a gun to his head and made him direct Cop Out. He did it because he was getting paid (and likely getting paid well) to do it. He chose to play the game, and now he is reaping the rewards of that game.

I didn't see a showing of Red State. I saw an interview with him about what his plans were as far as taking it around the country and he never did a screening in my city. Had he done a screening here I would have tried to get tickets to go see it.

Also, did you actually read the article you linked to? I just did and I didn't see him complaining at all about wasting money for Oscar consideration. He, along with help from Quentin Tarantino, arranged the screenings so that the cast could get considered for Oscars. He even says in the story that if you feel the $20 ticket price for those screenings is too much, skip it and in a couple of weeks you can get it on pay per view for $9.99. Please show me the part in the article where he is complaining about wasting money on those screenings. If he complains about anything it is when he says, "And if you don't want to pay to see it at all, you'll likely be able to download a Bit Torrent version for free by the end of the Red State Labor Day debut. And still, someone will bitch that even THAT costs too much somehow." that is him bitching at the freeloaders, not the Oscars.

http://smodcast.com/


his naming convention moron



get educated about the shit your commenting on.

That is why he can charge $65 per ticket for the showings where others would not be able to.

I know a guy named James Westby who writes and directs his own movies. He 4 walls most of his movies. He takes them from city to city and struck deals with local independent movie theaters. In some cases they split the ticket sales with him. In others he had to pay a flat fee to rent the building for his run and he kept all the profit. He actually does decently with them. He isn't getting rich, but he was getting his work out there and making enough money to cover his costs, live and pay for the budget for the next movie.

Recently he has worked as an editor on bigger budget movies and he has enough movies under his belt that he could potentially raise money and do something bigger, but he also knows that as soon as you bring in other people they want a say in how it is made and doesn't want to surrender that control.

so let me get this fucking straight because a mainstream press article (controlled by the very system he complaining about) gave you a filtered version of his comment that must whole truth.

he sold out the shows in other cities at $65-$85 per seat thru the smodcast. He got reports thru the media about people complaining about paying $20 for this showing. And he address that issue with the press.


and surprise surprise they misrepresented his objection to model wrongfully categorized his showing as $20 rip off movie showing to be a complaint about his fans.


read thru the blogs

watch his sundance speach

listen to the blogs on smodcast

then come back after you heard the statements from the man directly.

I'm not reading through shit. I have better things to do. You claimed that he was complaining about having to waste a bunch of money to put on these showings so that his movie could qualify for the Oscars and you linked to an article as your "proof" of this. I read the article and there is no complaining in it and now it is my fault that I didn't read a dozen blogs and dig deep to find the once sentence that supports your narrative?

I don't really give a shit how he sold his tickets. I like the guy and am a fan of his movies and I'm glad this was a success for him no matter how it happened. If it was through his podcast, great. If it was because he was famous and got a lot of press about this tour great. None of this really matters to me.