Forget global warming, but what are they saying the cause is for these bizarre warm winter temps?
 

jesus, it's going to be 30 degrees Celsius in Winnipeg, Canada today. It should still be buried in snow and well under 0.

Global warming is a myth.

in the 80s the was scientific consensus that there was gonna be a new iceage and called it manmade globalcooling. In the 90s this scam became obviously and so they changed it to manmade global warming, even the brainwashed sheeples saw this was a scam in the past few years and now they call it manmade climate change.
Any change will do these days.

I wonder how the insane people will explain the iceage, or the melting of all the ice in 10 000 years if temperatures in the past 3.5 billion year was always the same untill the past decades?

climate change denial is highest in alberta, texas and the prison planet forums. wonder why.

yes it looks like this summer will be one of the hottest on record. no idea why.

I don't know enough to say yes or no for sure - However, it occurs to me you can't make major changes to the atmosphere and not expect something to change down here...

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you're canadian, what province?

manitoba.

It does seem like we've seen some record highs and record lows, but when I googled it I came across this:

Record Lowest Temps
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0113527.html

Record Highest Temps
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001416.html

Most record years are long ago, with few if any in the past decade.

Only about 7 or 8 states experienced record lows in the past 20 some years. Most of those in the Midwest. Only about 6 states have record highs in the past 20 some years.

La Niña is peaking:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0119152001.htm

There are also basically random flunctuations. Global warming (or little ice age) is claimed by serious scientists to represent a couple degrees per CENTURY. No scientist claims it would affect day to day weather in a noticeable way.

The serious debate about global warming is how much of it is caused by humans (other planets are also warming due to sun cycles) and how much is natural cycles. As mentioned above, not long ago the green freaks were screaming about a man-made ice age, but then the sun cycle changed and the average has warmed by a fraction of a degree over the last twenty years.

I'm back to using aerosol spray deodorant.

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the majority of the hottest years on record have been over the last ten years.

The charts (from 2007) I posted looked like most of the big extreme record temps were in the 1930s, and there was an extreme heat wave in 1936 - "The heat wave followed one of the coldest winters on record." .. " the summer of 1936 was the most widespread and destructive heat wave to occur in the Americas in centuries." No conclusions drawn, just found it interesting.

Right, and the 2007 info I linked were only U.S. record temps, not global. It's missing the past 5 or 6 years of data for the U.S. and they say we're in a peak sun cycle now.

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Good adaptive thinking - deodorant will keep your armpits dry while the earth scorches... :thumbsup

ADG

My .02 Cents

I believe the Earth does go thru these Ice age cycles.
Now if it has to get Warm before it gets cold to melt all the Ice, then so be it. Then do the extreme cold thing or whatever that is for the scientists.

Basic stuff here
I do believe that the CO2 levels are on the rise, and I do believe it is getting warmer.
Does the earth have Mini cycles, YES.
Do I believe Humans caused it, NO. Do I believe we speed it along, YES.

I am more interested in the Average Temp for the seasons / Years
Just saying we can have a record High one day but have a mild summer the rest of the year.

you shall see the signs in the skies

its been in the 70's here the last week this is the warmest march that i can remember.

all of this winter was way warmer then anything in the last 10-20 years.

Global warming is just a scam to make al gore rich

yeah, adapt or die :thumbsup

We had over 130 inches of snow last year. This year I think we've had about 13 inches.

Yeah....they've been talking on the news about all the crazy solar activity that's been going on and how it affected satellites and cell phones a week ago, etc.

But all the "climate change" scientists and activists don't even mention that. Seems to me that probably has a lot more to do with our climate than anything we are doing.

Hell, who knows...2 years ago I took the family to San Diego the second week of June and got a nice room oceanside on Pacific Beach. I thought we were going to be spending a week playing in the water and soaking up the sun. Instead we froze our asses off with the temps in the low 60's all week. :( The next week when we left the temps were back in the high 80's like they should have been. Go figure.

That sounds about right! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No, there was no such consensus. A small number of scientists talked about the possibility of the ice age returning. It was never more than a minority thesis.

Idiot.

Jesus, can't you fools do ANYTHING but parrot fox news propaganda? Why are you so damn afraid of doing your own research and thinking? What, are you pussies?

But, yes, sudden spells of intense cooling and cold ARE part of the global warming model - what happened in europe this winter, for example, is exactly the kind of thing the model predicts, as is the warm weather here.

nobody knows shit, it was predicted that the US Midwest was going to have a horrible snowy cold winter this year.

You people should not be so afraid of doing your own research. CME's, for instance - they are fairly well understood, look it up yourselves, don't let Rupert Murdoch do your thinking for you, and tell you what to believe.

Reading this it is clear most of you commenting don't understand what is happening.

Climate change is not about continually getting hotter, but the experience of wider fluctuations - more higher highs and lower lows, wetter wets and dryer drys.

Didi I mention the acidification caused by increased carbon?

The consensus of the experts is overwhelming. I am amazed that rational well educated people question the effect we have on our earth and evolution.

I don't judge people by skin color, sexual preference etc, however when presented with facts, people who continue to deny either "theory", I do.

The real reason is the jetstream. It's basically dipping way down into the south, then shooting up again straight into the midwest/canada.

See for yourself: http://www.intellicast.com/National/Wind/JetStream.aspx .

The way it's sitting right now, about 750 miles north into canada, it's pushing all that warm air up here.

Nothing to do with carbon emissions or global warming. Just a very odd jetstream pattern.

Hey Bill8, I'm old enough to remember what was going on in the 1970's and 1980's. And yes...it was BIG news that we were going to be having an Ice Age because of human beings.

I'm not "parroting fox news". I'll just give you a link to an article in TIME magazine from 1974: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...944914,00.html

YOU need to do some research. I've been around long enough to see the scientists change their opinions in direct correlation to whomever is paying their bills.
The scientists working for oil companies say one thing...the ones working for Green Energy say another.

These scientists are just people at the end of the day. They do whatever is going to pay the rent.

And that Time magazine article isn't the only one. We were watching "educational" films in high school in the 1970's that were indoctrinating us to believe that mankind was definitely bringing on an Ice Age from the gases we were releasing in the air. Yes...it was the consensus then.

Hell...even recent studies are saying that an Ice Age is coming. This is from National Geographic in 2005: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0_ice_age.html

But at least that one doesn't blame humans.

In my humble opinion...the entire "climate change" argument can be put in three words: "Follow The Money".

Whether it's oil companies...or on the flip side "Green Energy" interests...there are billions of dollars in play and at stake.

I don't recall any such prediction, but I don't track midwest weather. Source, please?

Weathermen, and meteorlogists, are not climatologists. The two types of science are related, but meteorologists depend on things staying much as they have in the past for their models, and their predictions, to work.

Thats why they talk in the language of hundred year storms and hundred year floods.

Weathermen, and weather predictors, are not typically even scientists, they are in the business of selling weather predictions.

But, if, as the climatologist's models are predicting, the climate is changing, you would EXPECT meteorology to fail more and more often in predictions.

i just bumped the thread i made about the weather prediction back in the fall.

We've had an unusually warm winter here in Miami this year. Probably the warmest in over 20 years. However the water level is not any higher than normal so no worries yet.

And as I have said many times before, NEWS is not science. NEWS is a business, and the business is about selling ads and getting eyeballs to the ads.

Just because Time magazine has an article, does not mean it was a scientific consensus.

Time is a business, selling ads is the business. When you read the actual science, only a minority were talking about a new ice age.

It was never a consensus, it was a MINORITY opinion. That's how science works, by getting groups of scientists arguing with each other about possible models.

That said, yes, a new ice age, or a short ice age, iS part of the global warming model, and it could happen, especially, the model predicts, in europe.

Yes, films were made, I've seen them too - I bet I know the one you are talking about, made by the BBC. But it was a film, made as content for a business.

IT'S NOT SCIENCE!

If you want I can explain in exhaustive detail the various models of theories about ice ages and global warming and ocean currents and aerosols and the like.

Just don't try to telll me that TIME FUCKING MAGAZINE is fucking science. It's NOT, and you look like a fool claiming it is.

Now, that national geographic piece is kinda sweet, and it's not even terribly inaccurate.

Yes, a mini ice age could happen - the models include that, especially in europe; which is pretty much what the article says.

But, national geographic is not science either, at BEST it's popular science news, a platform for advertising. The inclusion of reference to that silly movie the day after tommorrow pretty much tells you all you need to know about that article.

But, yes, a new ice age, probably a short ice age, is possible, if the atlantic conveyor current slows or stops.

And that's mot even taking into account of the new science of multi-decadal currents, vertical currents that carry heat down into the icey cold of the deep ocean. They are a relatovely new discovery - and if what those models predict is accurate, and the climate is still changing as fast as it seems to be, according to the growing body of measurements, well, all I can say is that I'll be dead before the kids have to deal with that problem.

Frankly, I kinda hope the 70s theory about the end of this interglacial period turn out to be true - but, I can't find any modern science to support the idea that a true planetary glacial age (an ice age) is likely any time in the next 3 to 5 thousand years.

But, we might get lucky.

Been in the 70 Degrees F + in Baltimore and its not even spring yet

people in the US think they are being clever parroting oil company propaganda about climate change but it just makes them look like redneck idiots.

you might as well go dig a hole and jump in it . we're fucked ...

It's just as retarded as the people that tell me that the fossils were placed under the earth by Satan to trick man.

The simple truth is reducing our footprint on earth EVEN IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLIMATE is the only way to protect our most valuable resource - our environment.

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I too think the planet goes through cycles. Some decades are hotter, some are colder.

They ice ages long before man was here, so that's some indication that weather was able to change in big ways without the help of man kind.

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You are so damn good at image search and I have to thank you for years of entertainment :thumbsup:thumbsup

record heats were set 100 years ago before we were fucking the earth up with what we do. Doesnt matter Sun is a star, stars blow up and one day our sun will blow up!

Mr Rothschild is here to save the world with his global taxes paid into his World Bank. He'll use all the money to save us. He says this is urgent and we should stop discussing and just put the taxes in place, as he needs them quick.

I am in mont tremblant skiing this weekend. Although the ski conditions suck, I've never tanned and skied on the same day before. So this is a 1st for me

It's already too late to fix things, really.

But, if things get as bad as some of the models predict, the time will come when all over the world people will be looking for people to blame and punish.

So, take comfort in that.

I say we give Rothschild and his World Bank huge taxes so as they can save us, he seems like such a nice caring chap, even if it does sound like a sneaky world coup :upsidedow

Club of Rome (United Nations Think Tank) Report - The First Global Revolution (1992)

" in searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like would fit the bill"

" It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one imagined for this purpose"

It's not the sun, and you look like an idiot claiming it's the sun. Normally I dont bother to respond to your comments, because you seem like a religious fanatic in your rhetoric. You have the right to your religion, and I don't particulatly care if you choose to be anti-science.

I'd be happy to explain why it's not the sun - but you wouldn't listen, so there's that.

Let's see if there's a real question in your post - well, I already said nothing can stop it, it's too late.

But, lets assume you mean the question rhetorically. We havn't stopped diseases, but with better medicine, sanitation, and civic engineering we have reduced most oif them, and we enjoy a much better life because we are not constantly afflicted with many diseases.

Your use of the example of crime is a red herring and a straw man - but it's also a good example. But the reverse of what you intend.

We can't stop crime - but crime levels have never been lower in thsi country than they are right now. We can reduce crime.

We can't stop global warming, but we might, just barely, be able to slow it down and reduce it.

And, at the same time, spread out and conserve the worlds remaining fossil carbon - so that our way of life lasts LONGER.

Personally, i don't believe we are going to do anything, because we as a species are not smart enough to understand what is happening, and to think on those time scales.

You are a good example of that.