How to shoot better selling porn.
 

And not spend the money that those trying to reach the "Met-Art" level.

Individual Personality. That sells. This is the fundamental factor that all good porn should include. Without it, it's just all meat banging up against each other. It might as well be a porn clip from any one of 100s of other sites.

Down the years and including online porn this has proved to be true. From Dirty George to Alsscan or Met-Art the personality in the movie is what helps a surfer hook onto the scene and supplier enough to separate it from 1,000s of other porn clips produced like Ford Cars, something for the trolls here, with no difference one after another.

There are many ways to introduce Individual Personality into a porn scene or picture. The look in the models eyes, the style of the shot in a picture. In a movie it can be the shooter, the way he/she shoots a niche or style or the performance of the model.

Once a shooter or model becomes an automated production line, the personality is lost. Great porn shooters and stars all have Individual Personality. And this is the only thing that separates them from the herd.

Of course I'm assuming the Individual Personality isn't one that's so crappy no one would buy it.

Yes I know if you adopt the attitude that "someone will buy it" this is all wrong. It just comes to numbers, do you want 1,000s to buy it or dozens?

Then you need to fix the problems in this thread. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1066937

Listen to the man. He'll make you rich!

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

If you look at a lot of the rich porn people you will see why.

Washed up photographer with no business acumen spends his times banging out advice to people who don't care. A man who has no understanding of the current adult industry and until enlightened a week ago didn't know that adult shops sold anything other than porn.

Listening to Paul Markham's advice on Porn is like listening to Bernie Madoff on the subject of prudent investment. :2 cents:

Now carry on with your dribble Paul, I'm sure you might surprise us and discover "something new" that the rest of the world has known for years.

That is very informative Paul, and I had a colleague in the industry explain that to me a few years ago about *personality* being what sells....they described it just the way you outlined and I think you are spot on with that info! Thanks for sharing!

This is why interviewing and getting to know the "models" before investing is so important.
Excellent point made. :2 cents: :thumbsup

For examples of porn nobody will buy, join paulmarkhamteens.com and don't do anything you see on that site.

Paul says porn doesn't sell, so it must be his content that doesn't sell so use that as a learning source.

Plus he could really use the money.

Nevermind the fact that his advice consists of the obvious.

No fucking shit a good personality will sell better. Good luck finding enough girls with good personalities to update each members area at least once a week.

Apples, apples, what a treat,
sweet and tart and good to eat.
Apples green and apples red,
hang from branches overhead,
and when they ripen, down they drop,
so we can taste our apple crop.

Is this how you check her individual personality?

Paul please show which of your sites have personality?

Just one will do.

Just one...

Thank you.

So how to make your apples taste different from the next one.

As Nalem say says getting to know a model before she arrives for a shoot is good. Even before you decide if she's suitable for shooting and how to bring out what is unique in her, helps a lot.

We see loads of threads with a picture of a girl and everyone raves over her. I've news that will shatter a few dreams. Adult Magazines are on life support. :1orglaugh

Videos sell memberships and just because a shooter can pull out one or two decent stills from 100, doesn't mean she has a clue how to do a video or the shooter. and today in the days of Tubes, it's a video that makes the difference pushing traffic and converting it. Retaining memberships is for most sites 100% about the videos.

So interviewing a model and not judging her from a photo is essential.

I will write more later.

Until then please stop judging porn work by a stills picture, surfers rarely do when buying video porn. :thumbsup

The only thing you were ever worried about when shooting a girl was if she'd fuck you at the end, despite paying her.

Paul Markham Teens is a classic example of everything thats wrong with crap porn. The product of a photographer who has nothing else on his mind than getting his dick wet.

Yet you drone on and one with your lies and dribble, not one word of which you ever put into practice.

Just hire me...

I see that modesty is not one of your faults...

Yes Paul, you are really well qualified to talk about that with your cutting edge, "different" sites:

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They don't look like an old man that doesn't understand the internet built them himself in frontpage to save a few bucks.

See how the personality screams from the site...

I don't understand how you come up with such amazingly different ideas that separate your porn from the rest of the world. It's ground breaking.

Teach us more, oh wise and successful one...

Winning content right there. Groundbreaking stuff. I wish every porn site had content that good. :1orglaugh

I love the main girl in the header, with the fake smile that clearly says "God I hope I can get out of here with my money soon without him making another clumsy pass at me or trying to touch me without my consent."

https://img.skitch.com/20120505-m9n8...15k7wpka42.jpg

Yeah, probably countless girls feel repulsed to this day that they were desperate enough for money to let Paul Markham fuck them.

Which brings me to a question, why haven't you been back to the UK lately Paul ? Are those rumors true or just rumors ? You should tell everyone the story in your words before someone else decides to do it for you :2 cents:

Please let me know at what point in the process Manwin works into the equation.

:winkwink:

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All the above images are taken by Paul Markham, excellent examples of how a great porn shooter produces porn!

bump for paul................

Forgot what I was going to post I was so mesmerised by the last 3 pics.

Ultimately it comes down to the man in charge to run the show. If he's a good man and the budget is good, there's no excuse for a bad performance.

Will post more tomorrow.

Yes Barefootsies will include something on their type of operation.

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ADG

I gotta admit that I expected quite a lot more in this thread when you think about the subject. It's a how-to thread but it kinda doesn't deliver. It's just a rant.

fuck off idiot

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

How come you never listened to your own advice and made some decent porn? OR did you listen to your own advice and that was what your problem was?

You are Sally Rand with a camera. Time for you to retire mate. That includes withdrawing from the boards.

http://adultking.co.uk/images/badporn3.jpg


I Soooo hoped she was eating some poo... :(

If ONLY that had been a turd, I would have cum buckets... I was genuinely aroused until I scrolled down far enough to see the 'wrapper'... BOOOOO......

AH but you're missing Paul Markham's point, good porn is all about disappointment and shooting good porn relies on disappointing the viewer again and again. This is one trick I've picked up from looking at quality Paul Markham porn.

After seeing Paul Markham porn this good I'll never be able to look at Nubiles or X-Art stuff again. :2 cents:

Paul Markham = Pure Genius.

Very well said I definitely agree with the original poster. A site's unique personality is refreshing

Wow, perfect summation.

Am I alone in thinking that "Shooting Lola" video would work well on a site dedicated to stopping young girls from entering into the seedy world of porn?

I just like to see meat banging up against each other.

yay. cool.

you've just given me an idea, thanks :)

Max as an experienced shooter has hit the nail on the head. Ultimately if you hire the right man for the job, give him the budget and control he requires, he will do the rest.

Most of the good and all the great porn shooters have an Individual Personality which comes into play when dealing with models, anyone who has met Max will confirm he has it.

Most of the time models require good selection which is done at the interview, good instructions and great directing. When done right the odds on succeeding with the final product are very high, when not done right the odds on failing are very high. Recently we had 2 versions of an Amateur porn scene.

One was two girls in a bath being filmed by the BF and then one giving the guy a BJ then fucking him while the other filmed it, she left to early IMO. but it was HOT!!! It just worked, was a little different, seemed real and spontaneous. Then another amateur scene of an Eastern European couple doing the same thing we've all seen a 1,000 times before and simply didn't work. Even if it does, it's everywhere for free.

The bath scene had Individual Personality the couples scene didn't.

So how to get that element into your scenes. Read on.

great thread paul

Creating Individual Personality or a site's unique personality.

Firstly you need some personality, uniqueness or individuality ideas to give it something to sell. That does sell. Otherwise it's just down to traffic getting the sale.

This can be done in Gonzo by the character holding the camera, there are so many examples of this, I need say no more. POV of a cock getting a BJ, is boring after a while and all duplicating each other unless the guy with the cock or the guy with the camera can insert something into the scene other than his cock. Ultimately for many it comes down to repeating the same scene over and over again. How many times have we seen a girl knock on a door, enter the room and in minutes drop to her knees and blow the cameraman?

And this is repeated over and over again with our conveyor belt way of producing porn. Some variations.

Pick the girl up in a car and get a BJ in the car, bus, lorry, train etc. Film it voyeur style, sneak away to a private room in a hotel after picking her up in a bar, get 2 or more girls, get another shooter to shoot it from the POV angle, pick up a "hooker" and film her without her knowing in a car, hotel room, etc. film a girl begging on the street and offer her money for a BJ.

Only film girls who can do it with some fun a vitality, rather than girls on auto pilot.

Get a shooter with loads of personal charm who can motivate girls to deliver a great scene. Because a guy who needs a camera to get laid, is going to produce shit porn.

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Note to the detractors trying to ruin this thread. I've survived 35 years and that alone says all you need to know. So keep making yourself look stupid.

You mean you lurched from one unsuccessful gig to the next, each time consumed with getting your end in. For you it wasn't about creating good porn or making money, it was all about getting laid with as many girls as you could manipulate into what you wanted from them.

Your legacy has been posted in this thread. Mediocre (at best) images which will be forgotten forever once you delete them or they disappear by attrition when you pass on.

Paul Markham porn is filler porn. It will slowly disappear into the distant past and nobody will remember it in 20 years, for that matter people wont remember much about you except perhaps as that kooky old guy running around forums trying to prove he was worth something.

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Thank you for the input.

hey paul i just dropped in to remind you you have no traffic

k thx bye

QFT. Shit Paul Markham Porn :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I feel sorry for Max Candy, even though he tricked me into spending $45, to be complemented on by Paul Markham must be the kiss of death.

Paul, please feel free to insult the photography and videos of Cinema Erotique as much as you like.

Paul, please post sites of yours which have personality?

This thread is like a vegetarian trying to teach people how to cook steak.

You've got no sites with a jot of personality.

You ruined the thread when you started it. We're just pointing out to the newbs that you are trying to teach them something you've never pulled off.

Oh well, the old saying is right. Those that cannot do, teach.

:)

xoxox

i have no problem to admit that this is what we learned from Paul about 9 years ago - the difference between porn and the picture of a naked woman. or that a fully clothed woman can be much more "porn" than a naked woman with spread legs. and he's right about that.

but i also heard the $3000 per set story nine years ago and that exclusive content is too cheap etc. and i am afraid while the world keeps turning and everything evolves, Paul is stuck in his time bubble somehow :winkwink:

but while Paul and me surely disagree on many things, i still dont get the permanent insults and name calling (from all sides). especially cause no one would do that in real life face to face.