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HushMoney 05-21-2012 06:33 AM

Facebook just opened at $35.00, down -$3.23
 
it's just the opening of the trading day, but dayum! :1orglaugh

seeandsee 05-21-2012 06:35 AM

People will lost money if something dont pop instead social buzz :D

Axeman 05-21-2012 06:37 AM

Looks like the underwriters are making another stand at $35 right now.

ninavain 05-21-2012 06:40 AM

The underwriters/banks are propping this stock up..but it will be in free fall this week...it's over guys..Facebook just shit the bed.

Axeman 05-21-2012 06:43 AM

Looks like the underwriters gave up the $35 floor and made their new mark at $34. Very fast change of strategy there. Must be a ton of pressure on it downward.

EddyTheDog 05-21-2012 06:44 AM

11% in a few mins - Ouch

HushMoney 05-21-2012 06:45 AM

gonna be a fun day of viewing it looks like.....

woj 05-21-2012 06:45 AM

ouch.... but doubt anyone is surprised...

EddyTheDog 05-21-2012 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18957311)
ouch.... but doubt anyone is surprised...

I assume all the people who bought between 38 and 44 are!

HushMoney 05-21-2012 06:47 AM

down to 33.00, almost 14% of it's value!

sweetcuties 05-21-2012 06:48 AM

lol, never bought never will :2 cents:

teomaxxx 05-21-2012 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18957311)
ouch.... but doubt anyone is surprised...

well, probably some of those guys who bought in the IPO are a bit surprised how fastly they lost money ...
as i wrote already here, Facebook will be used in the future as prime example that nothing has changed on the Wallstreet after the financial crises and they will sell whatever shit with straight face, while trying to legitimize insane over-valuations...

sperbonzo 05-21-2012 06:56 AM

There is no way I would have bought at 100x earnings. APPLE sells at 15x earnings and they actually have a change to really increase revenues, but FB doesn't. Major advertisers pulling out due to lack of ROI, china not allowing it, bad geo location on the ad-serving....



I can't believe anyone bought this...



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BIGTYMER 05-21-2012 07:01 AM

Stocks dropping like a lead weight..

Deputy Chief Command 05-21-2012 07:14 AM

$20 by end of the week? now that would be good laugh

Tom_PM 05-21-2012 07:15 AM

It proves the old addage that shit happens.

brassmonkey 05-21-2012 07:19 AM

their still rich

globofun 05-21-2012 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18957361)
It proves the old addage that shit happens.

:thumbsup:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nicky 05-21-2012 07:59 AM

Wouldn't touch that stock with a pole. Some of my friends bought and I told them to wait a few weeks to see where It settles but oh no they were gonna make a fast 20-30% profit :upsidedow

ruff 05-21-2012 08:03 AM

The big boys are selling short. As usual.

BIGTYMER 05-21-2012 08:08 AM

http://seekingalpha.com/article/6050...rm?source=cnbc

HushMoney 05-21-2012 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 18957441)
Wouldn't touch that stock with a pole. Some of my friends bought and I told them to wait a few weeks to see where It settles but oh no they were gonna make a fast 20-30% profit :upsidedow

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I wonder how much the underwriters are down as they try to keep the stock proped up.

Harmon 05-21-2012 08:33 AM

It will bounce back and forth before Friday. You will see chunks go, then bought up. I say at about $29 and then jump back to around $39. Maybe a rally before Friday, dependent on whatever the hell happens in the news with the rest of the stock market.

I honestly think it's just too early too see it tank off the deep end. People may be skeptical, but still intrigued. I predict a ton more public appearances by Zuckerberg, attempting to instill confidence into the investor.

L-Pink 05-21-2012 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18957302)
Facebook just shit the bed.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Love that expression.

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HushMoney 05-21-2012 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 18957514)
It will bounce back and forth before Friday. You will see chunks go, then bought up. I say at about $29 and then jump back to around $39. Maybe a rally before Friday, dependent on whatever the hell happens in the news with the rest of the stock market.

I honestly think it's just too early too see it tank off the deep end. People may be skeptical, but still intrigued. I predict a ton more public appearances by Zuckerberg, attempting to instill confidence into the investor.

they overvaluated it. I think it will settle in around $25-$28 and stay there for awhile until they find a way to monitize their advertising better.

seeandsee 05-21-2012 08:47 AM

$ 33.678 -11.91%

Harmon 05-21-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HushMoney (Post 18957539)
they overvaluated it. I think it will settle in around $25-$28 and stay there for awhile until they find a way to monitize their advertising better.

Fair enough, and it makes perfect sense. I just feel that savvy people (investors) realize that there is a shit ton of traffic there, and Zuckerberg realizes it. He has yet to bring FB to it's full potential monetarily wise. He knows it. He has been sucking in traffic for years now before it (advertising) becomes a major imposition on the end user.

It's a matter of when and if they choose to change, will people accept it? Myspace v2.0... scary ground people are treading on.

- Jesus Christ - 05-21-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 18957514)
jump back to around $39..

It might be wishful thinking, but I doubt that's gonna happen. I think smart money dislikes FB and stupid money does less investing.

RyuLion 05-21-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetcuties (Post 18957319)
lol, never bought never will :2 cents:

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

Houdini 05-21-2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff (Post 18957453)
The big boys are selling short. As usual.

You can't short it for another week.

Sly 05-21-2012 08:53 AM

I don't know anything about stocks, but it seems that every time there is a new Internet stock it totally crashes. What is the last new Internet stock that went well?

nextri 05-21-2012 08:53 AM

facebook is the new FFN...

Timsb 05-21-2012 09:10 AM

Poor FB at 33.71

Harmon 05-21-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timsb (Post 18957593)
Poor FB at 33.71

Do you think it will hit some kind of low and then guys will buy it up? Bounce it back and forth? a buck or two up, then down... rinse and repeat?

Emma 05-21-2012 09:14 AM

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17n0...png/xlarge.png

Being rich is so much better than being not rich :)

Tom_PM 05-21-2012 09:18 AM

Bought some stock back in the 90's at about $26. It split about 6 yrs later. Today it's only around $4.50.

These things can happen sooner or later.

arock10 05-21-2012 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18957557)
I don't know anything about stocks, but it seems that every time there is a new Internet stock it totally crashes. What is the last new Internet stock that went well?

linkedin doing well so far http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=LNKD&ql=0

ruff 05-21-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houdini (Post 18957553)
You can't short it for another week.

I did not know that.

djroof 05-21-2012 12:57 PM

cool biz :P

$5 submissions 05-21-2012 01:24 PM

Some analysts' target price for that stock is $30

Personally, I think it is more around $10.

A 100 P/E ratio at $38 is just WAY WAY too overpriced

Considering that the EU problems in Spain, Italy, and Ireland (Greece is too far gone) will probably ROCK the stock market soon.

Also, China is slowing down.

The world's in for a rough ride for the second half of this year and FUCKING AROUND with FB stock is the least of its worries.

eroticsexxx 05-21-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18958001)
The number 1 rules in investing, NEVER invest into something you don't understand.

Meaning, how hard was it to look for similar concepts that failed? GeoCities, myspace, and for you old schoolers, TheGlobe.com. Back the 1990s, TG had 20 million users, only a couple hundred million Internet users back then.

Likewise, perhaps you should avoid making comparisons of FB to mere websites because it's something that you don't completely understand.

FB is a platform, much like Google.

Now some here have not been able to comprehend the difference and thus haughtily regurgitate the repetitive Myspace comparison, but the only thing that such persons are displaying is their lack of awareness regarding what FB really is.

epitome 05-21-2012 06:54 PM

LOL at the people that say it or the company will crash. While $38 was aggressive, FB isn't going anywhere.

In 2010 they had $2 billing EBITA and a $600 million profit (these numbers may be a little off, but close enough)
In 2011 that jumped to $3.7 billion and $1 billion in profits

So in one year they almost doubled their revenue and profit. Keep in mind, their user base was tapping out at that point. They got good at growing revenue and profit.

Their credits system also has nowhere to go but up. 2010 saw $106 million while 2011 jumped to $557 million.

Zuck knows he has to make mobile work. They've done zero to monetize mobile despite it becoming a huge part of their traffic. They will now focus on mobile ... and we all know how lucrative mobile can be.

You're supposed to invest in the stock market for long term. You cannot judge a company by what it stock does from day one to day two. The richest men in the world take long positions in everything for a reason.

There are plenty of investors that aren't sweating right now because they see long term value. The people that view the stock market as short-term gambling are the one's that are sweating.

SomeCreep 05-21-2012 09:34 PM

FB is going to $20 within a year.

FlowerKid 05-21-2012 09:51 PM

FB is just a bubble it will be worth a shit in the long run.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 05-22-2012 03:39 AM

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ilnjscb 05-22-2012 06:24 AM

Pre-trade is 32.77 lets see which way it goes. I'm sure the underwriters will prop it to avoid suits.

DateDoc 05-22-2012 06:35 AM

Looks like they are letting it go - $31.10 now.

DateDoc 05-22-2012 06:45 AM

Back over $32. Some serious buying going on.

Evil Chris 05-22-2012 06:49 AM

People haven't learned from when the dot com bubble burst?

Just send me your money instead. :)

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18958895)
Oh shit, you actually bought FB stock? Lack of a awareness? - Seriously? FB core function is nothing like Google.

Last year Facebook had $3.8 billion in revenue, not profit, just revenue. We don’t know how profitable Facebook was because it was a private company. Let’s pretend Facebook’s future margins are better than Google's 2011 with 27.5%. This would mean they earned $1.045 billion in profit which would imply a P/E ratio of 95.7 and a return slightly over 1% on investment. This would also mean, FB couldn't even keep pace with inflation.

BUT Facebook is a growth investment right? Possibly, but how much growth can possibly be expected with 900 million users already, or to put it another way, nearly half of the 2.3 billion total internet users? Sure the internet will continue to attract new users, but from where? Developing worlds only have limited access to the internet?

Facebook’s main traffic is from dumbfuck Americans now figuring out most of what they write isn't important and your high school buddies don't care. Matter of fact, there's a steady stream dropping because they don't want to be associated with others knowing their lives or be somehow associated with yours.

Anyway, to achieve an 18.31 P/E ratio (like Google) holding the $100 billion valuation constant, Facebook will need to increase their revenues and "hypothetical" net income by more than 500% to $19.86 billion and $5.46 billion respectively. I don’t think it’s realistic that Facebook can increase their revenues and net income by 500% within a reasonable time either through growth in users or through generating significantly more revenue per user.

This was necessary just to justify Facebook’s opening IPO price if you think the company is comparable to Google in its prospects. If Facebook made $1 billion profit with 900 million users that means each year, each user earns Facebook roughly $1.11 on average. We know that to achieve an 18.31 P/E Facebook would need $5.46 billion in earnings, divide that $1.11 formulating the number of users required to generate this income target. That would be 4.92 billion users or, in other words, twice+ the total number of users estimated to be on the internet today.

Even with my piss poor high school math, how could you not see Facebook's future being more analogous to MySpace than to Google? Facebook isn’t an innovator. They’re not branching out into other businesses in a meaningful way, but an outlandish $100 billion valuation? FB is going to be TheGlobe.com x1000 and has NO shot of being anything like Google. WAKE UP!

Those with no vision make themselves quite obvious.

The metrics which you discuss so confidently, such as user base and ad revenue (FB's primary source of income at present), are not applicable to FB's future growth in as meaningful a way as other sites before it. This accounts for why the vast majority of critics of FB simply can't comprehend what actually is happening and thus they bring out the MySpace/<insert website here> comparisons.

At the same time Zuckerberg can't (and shouldn't) release the full dynamics of FB's plans as a platform as yet because he needs to be the first to market with what is about to happen in the coming year. Social networking will be turned effectively on its head and others will attempt to follow suit, but it will be too late.

Most persons in the know actually expected the dip and in some circles it is hoped that the value goes as low as mid 20's in value so that the stock practically can be doubled up on.

There will be a desperate scramble for FB stock if/when even a small portion of FB's platform plans come to fruition because the price will bounce back and soar to record levels practically overnight. It all depends on how Zuckerberg and crew play their cards.

Like I said before, they can double their profits if they let it take a deep slide and buy back stock as they go, but we will see how savvy a CEO Zuckerberg really is. There is nothing like a stock that takes a massive slide and then makes an awesome comeback to spur long term investor confidence.


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