What would you do if a model you shot was raped?
 

What if after you did a nice hardcore shoot, everything went great, you all said your goodbyes and you really liked the model and even gave the model advice on where to go out to a local bar and the next day you get a call from the model saying she went to the bar, was drugged by the bar tender and her and her friend was raped! Her friend was at the police station and told the cop's what they did before they went to the bar. The cops ask the girl who they were with, she tells them your name they go OH yea we know who that is, he is a pornagapher. btw the girl that did the shoot was 19 the other was 20 years old.

They asked the girl if you tried anything with them, what type of shoot you did and assured the female it was legal to do artistic nude etc... What would you do with the tape? the model release? Now you feel like shit i mean REAL shit that you hired these models and they go out to get raped. OH you also called around to find out if the bar tender was arrested and you find out it was true! Now ya feeling like total shit, waiting for the cops to come question you. Would you go back to the hotel where they are staying? would you send flowers?

Just need advice DON'T dig into this and make stupid comments please. Thanks
TOM

(speachless) :(

Sorry to say the same right now. That is horrible. :(

goddamn that is like lightning striking you twice while winning powerball.

i dont even want to think about that

Maybe somone is trying to tell you somthing?


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How is any of this your fault? Because you told her where to go have fun??

That is a very sad story, I am sure it will tramatize her, but dont
feel that it is your fault.

This would not have anything to do with the shoot you did the other night, would it??

:uhoh

talk to a Lawyer...don't ask for opinions on a WM BBS.

:2 cents:

damn man, thats a tough one, I would anything I could to help with the law and to help the girls recover. Find out if they need anything, they know you didnt cause the problem. Just be as supportive as possible.

Hope everything works out ok
Danny

Get an attorney. NOW.

I think flowers or something would be entirely appropriate in that situation + it will score points w/the fuzz.....uh cops that is.

sorry to hear the story though. Fucking bastard bartenders...hope the sting em up.

As long as the content is legal I would keep it. Perhaps hold off on putting it online right away.

I would send something as an apology as it sounds like you have a heavy guilt load from recommending these girls go to this bar. Its not your fault they got raped though from what I can see here so if you are innocent you should be ok.

Unfortunately the police are probably going to be all over your ass in the very near future so I would make sure you have all your model releases and legal paperwork in impecible order so they can go through them all AND more importantly I would make copies of all your releases and put them somewhere safe offsite. That way if they seize your release while they search your place your content is still covered by the releases.

Besides that all I can say is Nightmare!

Yup!

that is really fucked up and unfortunate.

it is not your fault, though.

I mean, yes, the chain of events stemmed from her meeting you. But, a million bad things can happen within any given day, depending on the choices we make.

Get a lawyer, but I don't see what you did that was illegal.

I would hold the content, out of respect...

Like if I did a photo shoot with a girl who died shortly thereafter - it would just be odd to use the pics.

First of all, go visit them, show them you care.
Secondly, get yourself a lawyer.

Exactly....don't ask here, that useless, call a Lawyer right now bro.

My gf was raped in a similar way (drugs) a while back and to tell you the truth you cant really do much. If you are close with the models let them know that you care and let them know you will be there for them if there is anything they need.

the bartender should rot in hell. you didn't do anything wrong.

I'm not sure why people post this crap, because it doesn't matter if they left the bar and found their dead grandmother outside being run over by a tractor-trailer full of rosaries...

What does shooting a set with the girl have to do with her getting raped?

I shot a porn video of a girl, and she asked for directions to her hotel, and when I told her the directions she hit a bucket full of 72 new borns on the side of the road and killed them all... SO?

I mean, you told her of a bar you knew of that could be fun. They went, drank were underage, and got drugged. I'm sorry, but the last time a guy suggested a restaurant I didn't expect that he knew the chef, and the waiters. I expected he had a good time there once. The fact that the bartender happened to be a pervert asshole wasn't something you knew, and you can't get in trouble for suggesting that underage people drink. Jesus, I mean I'm sure the girl was hot/nice and you feel bad something shitty happened, but what the fuck would you ask us about it for?

There's no liability here, that being said, talk to a lawyer anyhow, we are a bunch of web board idiots that know nothing about your local municipality's rules.

TarPy

PS - I feel bad for the girls, but unless you were in on it with the bartender, this is just stupid pointless guilt. Oh, btw, some little girl got abducted because she gave out her info in a chat room on AOL, and I heard Steve Case is up on the top of his building about to jump....

Digi,

That is awful to hear.

I read a piece in Details a few years back, it was coping with the aftermath and trying to move on in a relationship... it really didn't have many positives.

In fact, I think it was the most depressing article I have ever read in a men's lifestyle mag. Not the happy-feel good Maxim style article, at all.

Some things in life are unfortunate and have a huge impact, but you are right - all you can do is support someone in moving on when there is nothing more to do.

Personally, I would freak the fuck out--daily.

Don't get mad, it is meant in a good way:
You bring a lot of bad news with you. It amazes me at every post.

I wish you all the luck and hope it will all be solved in a good manner.

why does he need one?

He didn't rape the girls, and that was the only crime mentioned in the story.
What did I miss?

I have seen this before when I was in Montreal first get a lawyer, contact free speech coalition where you are sure to get proper representation to protect yourself. The most important thing for you though is to comfort the victim. What she did for you was consenting what happened at the bar was rape, rape is punitiable as it was non consenting and non voluntary action on her part. What you do is not illegal, mind you I do not know the laws out there, but the police can't do anything to you. As I told you get a lawyer and do not forget to call free-speech.

very sad story :(

Probably I should burn the tape/photo.

and the bartender:
:feels-hot

Every adult webmaster needs a lawyer.

Pay someone to rape the bartender and whoever else was involved without drugs so they get the full feeling.

Oh, btw get an attorney seems the heat has your number for some reason. And don't listen to my comment above because its against the law of course.....

well, its not an easy thing but time do heal wounds.. for the most part anyway.

I think what people are worried about is the police already know him... That is not a good sign, imho...

Good lord didn't mean to start something ;( Guess i should of explained it better I know i am not in trouble, What I was needing to know I feel like shit cause I hired them, I was in no way involved in that shit, I've been wacking my brain out on what or if I should do anything besides talking to them on the phone. And I wanted to know if it happed to you what you would do. What I shot, what I did prior has nothing to do with this. Thanks for the comments though, I just feel so awefull about the whole deal with them, They were sweet and nice as hell models *shrugs*

Someone just called and gave some good advice earlier today I had a friend call to calm me down. I am just so upset about the rape thing, it brings back some burried memories of something that happened along time ago. Sorry

TOM

Dude it's not your fault. I would be as comforting to the model as possible, try to help out, etc. as long as you were all legal it's cool, I know you have a record in your areat etc..but shit man, you can't get blamed for everything..

they knew of me cause of prior things with escorting. and they know what i do now because i had to pass bunches of things with social services to keep my kids.

TOM

I never said this:

Team up with some friends and kick the guys that did it into oblivion.

Too much drama here..

Yep it was bad, but don't waste money on a lawyer.. and what's with the free speech deal?

Unless you shooting adult models in adult situations is illegal where you are, then you don't need to do anything from a legal standpoint..

True.. the cops may come and question you, but again, if what you did with the girls is not illegal, they have nothing on you.

Your shoot was totally separate from their trip to the bar.. They could have just as easily stopped you on the street and asked where a fun place to go was.

Definitely go to see them and offer your help to whatever extent you can manage.

Wow, thats pretty heavy Dude.
If it's question of using the tapes or not Because of what happened to the girls you should ask the girls what they think.

Poor girls! I would look out for there needs because of what happened. Shoots are cheap, If they didn't want them use then a wouldn't do it. Simple...one has to do the right thing no matter what type of business your in.

If it's a question of legalities (sp?) and you getting your butt in a sling, I don't think you would have anything to worry about. As long as the girls were of legal age and signed the releases.

But either way I wouldn't use the content if they didn't want me to.

Oz
...:::SEVEN:::...

Jesus, that's serious. Sorry to hear about this, Tom.

I guess this is my advice: Just remember that it wasn't your fault, and give yourself some time to think about what you feel is right.

rape the bartenders mom

Dude thats one sad story

Thanks Goth, I know it wasn't my fault but argh#$% the same shit that happened to these two girls happened to me in 98 it brought back some deep emotions that I had burried, freaked out today and its all over the damn news now, nothing about me. I just finished talking to a lawyer bad mistake by comming to a bbs board and posting anything aobut what happens like this. I have been assured im in the clear on any wrong doing, they may want a statment and may ask tons of question that i will then have to direct them to my lawyer. FUCK this is going to cost a penny. Really I just freaked out because I know how it feels to go through what they went through I just want to go hug them hold them help them but I can not do this. Been warned to stay away from it. as for using the content I will use it, the girls at this point hasn't said anything about not using it, she don't blame me and feels bad that her friend mention my named. There will be no more calls made to them on my behalf.

NOW IF a mod see tis post could you please delet this thread for my dumb ass... Thanks guys for the support.

TOM

why do they know who you are?

you were raped?

If i were you i would move. I also wouldnt shoot girls from the same town and not tell anyone about your business.

Agreed

Hey Tom,

That's a really sad story. No one likes hearing about rape. Sorry to hear that. As far as you, don't feel guilty and just watch your own self.

I don't even know you but I know you always send out positive vibes and always seem to have the best of intentions.

Just protect yourself bro.

-LD