A Big Win against File Lockers
 

It took a while and lot of phone calls and pressure on Paypal but finally there is going to be complete co-operation between my campaign against file lockers and Paypal.

http://coldcopy.com.au/paypal-workin...legal-content/

I now have an ongoing dialogue with the most senior person responsible for shutting down illegal sites processing through Paypal and we will be communicating on a regular basis to ensure that every illegal site identified loses their Paypal processing.:thumbsup

Well done!!

Lets hope they don't just 'talk'.....

This isn't just talk. This is the Head of Brand Risk Management for the whole of Paypal and I have a direct line of communication with her. Not just email but direct phone numbers.

She has undertaken to touch base with me on a regular basis as long as my campaign keeps going.

Well done mate. It would be nice to see them pull the plug on most of those sites. If a site is legit, it will know how to clean up its act and survive. If it's not legit, let it burn.

There's already been alot going in behind the scenes today, I can't go into it here but there are going to be monumental shifts in this battle over the coming weeks.

The Paypal breakthrough is fantastic.

Why would a senior Pay Pal anything be in constant contact with you? I mean, no offense but you are basically a nobody to them. You throw up a couple blogs and now your are the largest illegal file sharing crusader on the planet and have a ton of street cred to the point that Pay Pal is going to keep in nonstop contact with you? :1orglaugh It just seems silly.

Read the blog entry, it names the person I am in contact with and her job title.

In the past few days journalists have taken up this story and have been asking Paypal questions. This has prompted senior people from Paypal Australia to be in contact with me to talk about these issues.

Further to that, it may surprise you that professionally I have many good connections, many relating to the "old school tie" of the private school I was educated at.

If you want to scoff then so be it, who am I to stop you. The proof will be in the pudding.
Do you really think Paypal would allow me to blog about conversations I have had with one of their most senior people without objecting ?

http://coldcopy.com.au/paypal-workin...legal-content/

Who is scoffing? It's a legitimate question. I am not trying to downl=play what you are attempting to do.

Also, why would PayPal care about what you blog about? Do you think they are monitoring your site 24/7 or something due to it's overwhelming online presence and importance? :1orglaugh

Whatever man, keep on keepin on I guess

I think because I persevered enough that they couldn't ignore me. It also helped that several journalists started asking Paypal about my site and why they were processing payments for illegal material.

If you read my blog entries from before today I was complaining that Paypal weren't taking it seriously, things changed overnight for a couple of reasons and this morning the Head of Brand Risk Management called me early this morning and the dialogue began. We had further and more detailed discussions this evening. (She is in the Asia Pacific Region). I'm pleased with the development and I think everyone else should be too as now Paypal will be doubling their efforts based on not only their own information but on the information I am gathering and sharing with them.

I can't go into everything discussed, the greater portions of our conversations are confidential however I can say that I am convinced Paypal are motivated to get on top of this overwhelming issue.

Seems like Paypal stopping their business with filelockers bothers you a lot...

I need to correct this. As I stated on http://coldcopy.com.au Paypal will not blanket ban file lockers, they will still deal with each on a case by case basis. This is one area where Paypal and I disagree.

lol it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Seems like you are a moron and can't read. Enjoy your 5th grade education.

thank you for the time you put into this... some may scoff, but the majority of us greatly appreciate your efforts in this battle

To be fair to Harmon, it is surprising that I have been able to score such a good contact so he was fair to question why. Please let's not bicker about this issue. If we let this become another GFY shitfight it will just hurt the cause.

I can see it bothers you a lot.

You have an ongoing dialogue with the most senior person responsible for shutting down illegal sites processing through Paypal, but you refused to communicate with Paxum.

Ruth is a Paxum rep. I don't think she has the power to shut down an account. As it happens though I have a batch of Paxum related file lockers I am going to email to her in the next day or so.

If my understanding of Ruth's role is wrong then I am happy to be corrected.

Also, who the fuck owns Paxum ? I know who owns Paypal but Paxum seems to hide it's true ownership. Maybe Ruth could come out and declare who the ultimate owner of Paxum is so they can be held accountable!

I think he's just a very insecure person in general, and has to bring his emotional issues into every interaction on this forum. I've seen it so many times it reads like a broken record.

Just seeing his avatar makes you understand the kind...

nice, nice..

you should look into getting some media coverage

this would "serious" things up and help with Visa/MC

Just all those screenshots with CP titles on filelockers download links in the news would change destroy their business forever.

And go viral and be a world success.

It is good to see you are also reporting sites directly to paxum. Your recent paxum thread left a different impression. :thumbsup

Does this include piracy or just CP and that sort.

Well done !

Keep up the good work! Fuck pirates.

Well done!

Didnt you banned yourself from this board :upsidedow

"Further to that, it may surprise you that professionally I have many good connections, many relating to the "old school tie" of the private school I was educated at."

LOL - I can't take you seriously after that - sorry !

These paypal/visa officials just happen to be members of your old school boy network??? sadly you alone ended up at the bottom of the social ladder whilst they hold now positions of incredible power that you will wield at will?


Everyone knows these filelockers can have any content on them that have been user uploaded as long as they remove it within 72 hours of notification there is going to be no problem for them at all. Yes, in the case of CP they need to take drastic action and report these kinds of things to the authorities.

Even then when the file lockers are gone, that will make about 5% difference max to sales whilst the large tubes exist.

If you are now claiming that a senior paypal official is discussing other peoples businesses with you (essentially a nobody except in your mind) i think that will damage paypals credibility far more than any of these filelockers.

So after your months of planning --- what have we here? Nothing.

There is no big win since you have displayed nothing new, don't you think everyone who sends dmca to paypal sends a printscreen?? It's not paypal don't believe you that this shit exists on these sites, it's the fact that it does not matter as long as the locker removes within 72 hours of notification. If you can prove they uploaded or directly encouraged uploading of know illegal files or have not removed after notification then yes this could probably help.

Also where are the main culprits on your list the filelockers that have more than 1 visitor per year?? try alexa to find some large ones that will make some kind of difference. Why all these little tiny sites ?? where are the whales on there with millions of visitors??


I'm all for getting sales back to a decent level, however don't get any false hope that the total destruction of all filelockers will make much difference. Tubes alone killed porn sales its as simple as that. People who use these torrents/filelockers will never join porn sites.

Megaupload died - i noticed NOTHING i mean not even 1% movement in traffic or sales.

When one of the larger tubes sites went down for a few days traffic went up over 30% to my sites alone and sales in line with that too. That was just for a few days.


If you want to be a hero, use your private old school tie network of power to do something useful for us all....TUBES

You're doing 100% more than 99% of the people here to address a specific area of a large problem. And people are giving you shit. Tough crowd, tough crowd.

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how about two things:

- do something yourself instead of giving others shit for doing something

- learn how to work with tubes

otherwise you can also take the name of this board literally...

We're going after any file locker that either has pirate content or illegal content, which is pretty much most of them (especially those who reward uploaders).

I do not understand the haters on this board sometimes. Good job man.

I also don't see the point of going after the small fishes... Try rapidshare, hotfile, uploaded.to but careful as it might hurt :)

I never said that any of my old school network worked at Visa or Mastercard. I merely explained that I have a considerable network of people I can call upon.

In Paypal's eyes, if there is illegal content on it for one hour it's a target for review. Visa and Mastercard are even more stringent.

I'm not doing this for sales, I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do and I have been sick and tired of watching this disgusting industry flourish.

Read my blog and decide for yourself, having a Paypal logo on a site which delivers copious amounts of illegal material is worse in Paypal's eyes.

Squillion lost their account (they did however create another) but affiliates are complaining no payment

Exabit affiliates are up in arms due to no payments since their account freeze.

I claim both those scalps.

Many of these file lockers do encourage illegal material, look at the sales pitches I have pasted at http://stopfilelockers.com

Different sites are being handled in different ways, there are good reasons why I am not publishing some sites yet. To do so may jeopardize other actions being taken.

I don't care, this isn't about sales for me, it's about decency.

The moment Megaupload died many of these sites filled some of the void. Have you ever considered your sales are bad because your sites are crap ? Not every missing sale can be put down to piracy you know.


See, I don't want to be a hero, I just want to achieve the decimation of the illegal file locker industry.

If you think you can make a better stab at this than me, feel free to go ahead. I haven't seen you contribute to this fight in any way. I guess it's pretty easy to sit behind a keyboard and rant.

As I said, there are reasons. I am not able to go into them in public. You'll just have to accept that I'm working toward destroying this industry step by baby step.

Oh rlly.

No porn at all if you want Paypal processing. What procedure beyond the ones for copyright holders do file lockers have in place to delete porn links? Why isn't uploading porn forbidden in their TOS? why does their support staff confirm that "porn is ok"...? should I go on?

Let's expend time and energy on filelockers that actually make no difference to us whilst tubes take all of our sales?
Work with the tubes?
How should we work with tubes that give full length movies ensuring no one requires a porn membership?
There is no working with that model.

How do you personally work with them?

This is a big waste of time, lets start a new thread where we come up with ideas to take the large tube sites out.

They take any need away to join a porn site whilst sucking up all dating, cams etc sales too.

If you want to work with that model you can take the name of this site literally.

Frankly dude, you're a fuckwit. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Yeah, ok champ.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_asset...ress02-001.jpg

Congrats, well done:thumbsup:thumbsup

i have said it before - tubes do not give away full scenes and even full member areas in full quality - file lockers do (or better: they are the tool to get the content to the surfer)

there are tubes that let people upload unauthorized content, we have to fight that of course but they are getting less and less

and when i say work with the tubes then i mean: either license to them (we did that, they pay good money) or upload promotional videos, they create signups (tried it and did pretty well)

but crying doesnt take you anywhere

:2 cents:

important point for paypal is stop the spreading of this type of infos at the beginning - before the information reaches the mainstream news.. if information about paypal and filelockers will reach the mainstream, then for sure visa and mastercard will must say something why are they supporting paypal - and probably they will do everything to not doing in mainstream..

Once again adultKing. thanks for the work and the info.

If I can do anything please let me know. My ICQ is in my sig.

congrats mate on the victory you have succeeded where many talked and nobody did anything!

Again, keep up the great work AdultKing. Very nice to get a reliable point of contact at Paypal.

Excellent job AK, thanks for everything you do.

Honestly speaking I think it's just a big waste of time...

After MegaUpload's bust everybody got aware of the big money in the file sharing business and a lot of DotCom's emule's started to appear with their own cyber lockers (some even got quite successful in a very short time)

I saw a few big sites stopping their services (Filesonic and Fileserve for ex) and tons of new ones popping up to replace them... nothing has changed, actually there's more and more out there (and more and more will be)

They might lose Payapal, right, they will start billing credit card directly, they will lose credit cards, they will start accepting wires (some already do), you will close their bank accounts out then? How about the dozens of resellers they have all over the world to collect local payments (I heard some even cash in exchange of vouchers)?

I appreciate your effort but I see no point of success IMO

Also I really don't see this going to help adult business at all, as someone already stated here as mostly filelockers host mp3s, warez, movies, ebooks...

I doubt anybody would even bother paying a filelocker fee to download porn when they can stream it free from tube sites

Just my 2 cents

Keep those 2 cents pal - you need them more than I.

Ok moron, continue in your pointless pursuit. I would like to cheer you on, but really i see nothing here at all apart from some kid trying to sound important. However, good luck to you and your 'private school chumps' network taking down some of these huge filelocker sites that have been around for years. I see nothing new happening here. I'll check back in 1 month and see if rapidshare, hotfile, depositfiles are still running fine.

"I merely explained that I have a considerable network of people I can call upon" -- hehe ...mom, pop, kid sister etc.. Who even says stuff like that??? Tell me about some of these illustrious friends you keep?? let's hear about this private school? Eaton? Rugby? oh wait some 3rd rate shit hole in OZ??


The only people the generally try to boast about being part of some old school tie network are the same kind of people that like to try and seem important whilst being being entirely insignificant in anyway in the real world. There are no OLD schools down-under.

Your self importance makes me smile and if rapidshare was reading this they would smile too. I have a good mind to contact the person you mention from paypal and ask them if they are actually discussing paypals tactics and policy regarding these other businesses with you personally. I know for sure what their answer would be. Some stupid little pest whom they avoid at all costs.

This is an entirely pointless exercise. I leave this thread now knowing that nothing will change as a result of it.