The odds on meeting an Alien life form, excluding on GFY.
 

The odds on meeting an alien life form are so extreme, it's a wonder so many people claim to have met one or people believe they have been here so often. Here are the hurdles they would need to get over to arrive.

Humans are 500,000 years old, or longer. For a tiny micro fraction of that time we have been able to move under produced power, an even smaller amount of time to fly and the tiniest amount of time to get out of our own atmosphere. And we are still a long way from leaving our solar system.

As we get closer to traveling outside our solar system, we're consuming the Earth's resources at a rate that if we continue, we'll be extinct before we manage to solve the problems. Long before.

We have been to the Moon and found nothing of value, the technical advances we got out of the mission are nothing much and could of come far cheaper. There's nothing on the Moon to justify going again.

We have probes on Mars and so far the same applies.

Man always wants to know what is on the other side of the hill. If he finds wealth there, he goes back and occupies the land. If he finds nothing, he doesn't go again. Few people set up home in a wasteland like a desert. They colonise the parts that produce a profit.

So far we have no proof of any life in our galaxy. Maybe it's hiding or maybe it's so different we don't see it as life. More likely, we're alone in our galaxy.

Our galaxy the Milky Way is huge, often in ways few can comprehend. To travel from one side to the other will require solutions we are only dreaming about. No one has any proof of the theories they propose to solve the problem of the time it takes to fly fro A to B in the galaxy.

More to follow.

I'm from the delta quadrant.

Little green men made me do it.

I'd think that the man who believes in magic join links would believe in alien encounters.

Solving the problems of life traveling to the next star in the Milky Way, are as far away to us as Jets were to the Wright Brothers. It's not just distance that's the problem.

It's getting a life form 100% adapted to life on Earth to go the distance and survive. Life needs air, food, water, etc. This without the problems of fuel. The environment on the space ship has to good built to suit a life form that has adapted over many millions of years to live on the Earth. Gravity is a major problem. Spend 6 weeks in bed and see how well you can walk when you get out of bed. 6 months in zero gravity will waste muscles, 6 years, no one has a solution to that yet. Suspended animation doesn't solve the problem. That's for movies.

And when the traveler arrives on the distant planet, if the environment isn't 100% suitable to a life form developed on Earth. It will need a huge space suit to waddle around in. Assuming we can figure out how to make a suit in a way to suit an atmosphere we have no clue about.

H.G.Wells had it figured out in book War of the Worlds. The invaders couldn't live on Earth even though they were clearly advanced way beyond our civilisation.

The fact that a relative to the Monkey is now supreme on Earth is all by chance. If dinosaurs hadn't of died out when a meteor had hit the Earth, mammals would never of been the allowed to develop. The dominant life form might be a descendent of the T.Rex for all we know. Scientists are still trying to work out why Man is bipedal, as we are the only mammal that is and it's clearly inferior to four legs. Unless you have wings.

The theories they had about looking over the grass to see predators has been discarded now they have found an earlier humanoid who lived in a jungle where the ability to climb trees would of been better. Still not very good to see a lion 500 yards away if he can out run you in a flash.

All these fine points are what made us and will apply to life forms on other planets. Men in Black portray alien life form better than most people who say they came here or have met one. Yet people insist aliens they propose are bipedal, 2 arms, 2, legs, head, etc. :upsidedow

Why do you think they were men? :1orglaugh

Sparticluless

Aliens used to be much better in the old days. I could get $3k for one alien. Now idiots and the clueless give away their aliens.

David Sullivan lives in a giant spaceship.

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One bold thinker hypothesizes that our universe may have emerged from a set of laws similar to biological evolution. Like we pass DNA from parent to child, the cosmos may also produce offspring that inherit its genetic make up. And the seeds of these cosmic births could exist inside black holes, the endpoints in the death of massive stars.

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But could space and time be merely a physical illusion created by our own minds? One renegade researcher contends the universe is alive in our imaginations. Without us, it ceases to exist.

Carl Sagan channeled through Paul Markham :helpme

i wonder if aliens have tubes

I wonder how many toilets a spaceship has.

We are so far away technologically from this that yes, it's nothing but science fiction and dreaming. It is most certainly not in the lifetimes of any of us and probably not for 100 or 1000 generations after us - it's more likely that we are wiped out as a species before we solve the obstacles. I do think we should do what we can do, get some people off this planet colonized somewhere so the species has at least a tiny chance of surviving.

Not hard to conclude that we are insignificant specks living on another insignificant speck.

That still leaves the possibility that there is life out there and while we can't get to them they could be far beyond us and able to visit us.

I believe in aliens but i dont believe they know about us...

Is this building up to the claim that Nathan is an alien?

that is an excellent question - although it makes you wonder if they pee and poo as we do.

maybe Currentlysober can help us with that...

this part is all bullshit, you need to update your book collection...

Earth's resources have been around for a billion years, probably longer, they're not going anywhere, with or without us--we barely make a dent. Which includes oil, which is not a fossil fuel by any means.

The moon has unlimited resources for us to mine and capitalize on, your 1972 version of what's on that rock is seriously outdated. The only reason they didn't find shit is because they couldn't do things like say... drill!

mars has even more resources available including water..

Life would. Robots might be able to visit us. We can send a robot to Mars, sending a man 34 million miles which is less than the space separating my two brain cells is a real big problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_...ars#Challenges

2-3 year round trip, with fuel, food, air and when they get there be able to function. We are a long way from sending men to a place for no reason other than to say they went. The costs are horrendous and for what point?

So the next time some idiot tells you they helped build the pyramids. Think about solving the problems of going to Mars just to teach people to build a pyramid. :upsidedow

You seriously need to stick to giving away free content on tubes. This is so far over your head.

So we found nothing on the moon, but if we went there and drilled we would find what?

Go read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_o...o_support_life

Yes Mars has water, big deal we have it here.

We don't even have a clue what's beneath the surface of the Moon. Mars we have a little knowledge. And these are the nearest things in the solar system.

Alien life faces the same challenges we do.

I hope they don't and if they do think this place is as useless to them as the Moon is to us.

We went there a few times and never bothered going again. We put satellites up into orbit and bounced TV waves off it and now there are so many surrounding the Earth we have debris up there.

It makes so much sense to have them, we keep doing it. The Moon, Glen thinks there might be something up there to find. If we drill for it. Anyone heard of NASA's plans to send a drill rig? Of course finding something, then presents the problem of getting it back in one piece and at a profit.

And all the time we're spending billions to explore another rock in space. We living on a planet we are over populating, burning it's resources at an alarming rate and yet to really solve so many problems here. :upsidedow

We can already do all this, read up, thing is releasing these kinds of tech that will get us anywhere quick in our solar system is dangerous, and potentially self destructive.

Leaving the planet and populating another planet (or mining) would at the very least slow our progression down.

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Hi Paul,

You've got it all wrong my friend.

The reason why we have met no intelligent Alien life is simply because of the distances. Everyone is too far away to travel to Earth. THE "UFO"'s people see are not spaceships (get over it people, geese).

Life was never expected to be found on the Moon. At the time we thought it had no water.

Mars is a good candidate to find life. There are all kinds of geological markers that showed that Mars once had running water. If water can be found on Mars, it just might contain life.

Europa is the BEST candidate to find life. Tidal forces from Jupiter are enough to keep the water below the surface warm and liquid, and it looks like it is getting enough energy from the sun too. Drop a spaceship there that can drill a hold big enough and deep enough to the ocean below and then drop a little robot submarine to swim around in, and we may just find a shitload of life.

Sure missions cost billions, but so what. This is where money should be spent.

As for intelligent life, have you heard of the Drake Equation?

http://hendrix2.uoregon.edu/~imamura...re-9/drake.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Leaving the planet is easy, populating another one is as far away for us now as the steam engine was for a caveman. Maybe not that far. Still think about it, we actually get there in one piece and alive, which is the major hurdle. If it's not an exact parallel world to what we have here, gravity, atmosphere, water, food, etc. How do we survive?

Now the question is WHY? Because there's water on Mars, big fucking deal, we have enough thank you. There's life on Mars. So fucking what. Spending trillions to discover a new worm isn't worth it, we have loads of undiscovered ones already.

Think of it like this.

We knew the Sahara was there, we knew we could get there easily, we knew we could live there, we knew there was water there, we didn't bother because it was just a pile of rocks and sand. Much like Mars is, they're just different rocks and sand.

We found America, we discovered it was nice and we could grow crops, live there there and now look at it. Same goes for so many places on the Earth.

Going because it's there is a great thing. going back because it's still there. Needs a good reason. Now think in terms of the light years separating us from the nearest places. Mars is a 2-3 year round trip for a long weekend stay. :Oh crap

Well, if someone met YOU Paul wouldn't that kill two birds with one stone? You know, GFY member AND alien, all in one adorable package?

How many toilets are there on Mars?

EX-FUCKING-CACTLY

Or maybe our telescopes can barely see the closest planet outside of our solar system, let alone see life on one of them. To conclude that we're more than likely alone from that is complete lunacy.

Maybe. Do you want to spend a gazillion dollars to find out. Then discover it's a worm?

Yes, much better than spending a gazillion dollars pointing missiles at each other.

water isn't native to this planet. think about it next time you pretend to be thinking about something

The statistics FOR alien life form is overwhelming. It's just a matter of time until we make contact

Nice.. I'm from a few planets away from there. We may have crossed paths at one point.

Where did it come from then?

Agreed.

Thisc thread is about them visiting us. Maybe you and I should learn to read better. :thumbsup

Proof please.

at one time the rock floating out in the middle of nowhere called Earth was void of any water. small rocks that came from ( somewhere ) with small amounts of water bombarded the planet for millions of years. maybe just a fraction of a drop on each one. over time the planet known as Earth was covered in one big ball of water.

Our orbit(proximity) to the sun allowed something to grow called "life".

YOU are an Alien.

yet ironically he knows more than you :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cum again ?

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There is no mention of aliens in the Bible.

If God had also made aliens I am sure he would have told us.

False.

Also there is only one God.

Yes and he is me. haha

Got anything scientific you can link to, to show you have a clue what you're talking about? :1orglaugh

Actually, water coming from comets isn't the accepted reason for our water anymore. However water is not special to our planet. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen - two of the elements that exist. The elements are specific atoms that make up matter in our world. These elements were created in the big bang (whatever that might have been is still up for debate). Everything we know and see is made up of these atoms / elements. So water is not specific to our planet, there just happens to be a lot here - just as other planets might be made up of a majority of another element. Comets that crash into our planet that came from far far away are usually made up of mostly iron (another element). It's likely that we don't know of all the elements that exist, as there might be some extremely rare ones floating around our planet or universe not yet discovered - however it's not certain that they exist either.

We don't know for sure why Earth has a lot of water on the surface, but it's not specific to earth. We know of plenty of planets that have water or ice on them. Planets are just made up of elements, some elements more than others. Each one is it's own mixture of elements. Ours happens to be a mixture containing lots of water.

I'm from Texas, 16% of the population here are aliens, almost half of those illegal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/l...een-found.html

they found god... (or something like that)

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and there is plenty of oxygen, but how did these two elements bond together to create water? Most likely from the nuclear fusion of stars. No one knows for sure how it got here, could be a number of ways. My guess is when the earth was starting to form parts of it was big chunks of ice.

Just announced - Higgs found with a mass of 125.3 GeV (±0.6), with a certainty of 4.9 σ (sigma)

Guessing. :Oh crap

Very interesting. So why hasn't this happened to all the other planets and how many nore of these meteorite with hollow centres full of water have been discovered?