Olympic champion says black American and Caribbean sprinters have a 'superior athletic gene'
 

Survival of the fastest: Why descendants of slaves will take the medals in the London 2012 sprint finals

- Olympic champion Michael Johnson says black American and Caribbean sprinters have a 'superior athletic gene'

- All eight finalists in the 2008 Olympic 100m final are believed to have been descended from slaves

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"The Olympic gold medallist and BBC commentator said: ?Over the last few years, athletes of Afro- Caribbean and Afro-American descent have dominated athletics finals.

It?s a fact that hasn?t been discussed openly before. It?s a taboo subject in the States but it is what it is. Why shouldn?t we discuss it?"

Johnson says: ?It is currently being researched to see how much of a factor being descended from slaves contributes to athletic ability.?

"African slaves underwent a rigorous selection process and only the fittest were transported on ships."

And a large percentage of those transported never arrived.

Very true, especially on the trip to Jamaica :thumbsup

No, she went of her own accord.

All that running away from lions over 1,000s of years has some benefit. Darwinism proved right. LOL

Seriously the reason they gave about slavery is thin. Africans are just stronger physically.

I appreciate his honesty, and I think he's correct -- but god help the guy. He's going to get it from all angles by the liberal media. Actually, since he's a black guy it'll be the conservatives gunning for him.

Some people simply work harder at it; but in a nation where blacks are characterized
as lazy, there will be those that will not face the fact that blacks work harder
at it from a younger age.

End of story.

The whole genetic premise ignores all the fat slow ass niggas in the grocery store when I'm shopping.

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So while we are at it; why just single out black people :

Explain why white people have better dancing genes than asians.

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We would have to bring those 'fat slow ass niggas' to their peak performance before we could know.

The story/studies are comparing all athletes and the inordinate % of slave descendants that win medals/perform well.

Not a tough concept for even a poorly educated negro to understand.

I don't think African Americans dominate the NBA, distance running and many pro sports because "they work harder at it". Thats also just a racist as any other suggestion as it implies that being white means you don't work as hard. Of course, if someone says "if you're black, you don't work as hard" that is basically a hate crime, which you're totally ok with.

Their peak performace was at the fucking Burger King.

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Not in Water Polo. {there is sprinting in water polo}
:P

End of story - debate all you want he's right. Even within a population you can change the population by defining success. In Jamaica, running is success, life, everything. In 15th century England, the average "good" archer could draw a bow that no one can draw today, and shoot farther. Today pretty people do better, have more children who in turn are more likely to succeed which leads to:

Gentlemen, you've never had it so good: Women are getting more attractive in evolutionary 'beauty race'

"It is a common misunderstanding that evolution took place a long time ago, and that to understand ourselves we must look back to the hunter-gatherer days of humans."

Dr Lummaa said evidence had already proved important selection had been taking place in very recent populations.

She added: "Humans continue to be affected by both natural and sexual selection. Although the specific pressures, the factors making some individuals able to survive better, or have better success at finding partners and produce more kids, have changed across time and differ in different populations."

The findings have been published in the 'Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences' journal.

I remember back in the 80's I think it was.... Jimmy the Greek got fired for saying the same thing on TV.

Yep...exactly.

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poor Jimmy the Greek Snyder who was a famous sports gambler and went on to be a big TV personality on CBS' NFL pre-game show way back in the 70's was fired and had to live out his life ostracized for being a racist, after stating this exact same theory on national television.

and it's the truth, black slaves were selectively bred by their owners, you wanted big strong slaves so you paired off the biggest strongest male with the biggest strongest female.

how stating what is historical fact makes somebody a racist is beyond me.

Listen brain child of ignorance stuck in racist folklore :

Do a satellite view of black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods and then count
the basketball goals, golf courses and swinning pools, and see if the areas with the
largest of each produces the most successful athletes in the event.

Ain't no swiming pools or golf courses in the hood!

While blacks are outside paying hoops in the hood you were playing World of Warcraft
and sitting on your ass.

You would like a genetic excuse so that you can be happy with your laziness, since
"I ain't got the genes anyway, so why try".

Pffft!

When I went out for track none of the white students even tried to do the sprinting events. The liked long distance and cross country and whites dominated in those events.
They dominated in areas where they concentrated their abilities and same for blacks.

I don't think anyone can blame failure on anything but themselves. The idea is not "i'm black so i'll be awesome" or "you're white, so you can't hang because you don't work hard". The idea is about on segment of world class athletes that consistently outperform ALL others and that share a common trait.

If you know anything about world class athletics, then you know that genetics play the largest role in determining success. Training, diet etc only brings you to your genetic potential. A Japanese guy *can* win the Boston Marathon but a Kenyan who's better suited genetically and physically (also genetics) to distance running is a better bet. Thats not racism, that's just an obvious, undeniable fact. Over the course of time, there will never be a clear pattern of 5'2" robotic engineers, winning the Boston Marathon.

That sounds true :)

Dude, the dumb shit is that scientist have looked at the possiblitity of breeding
humans and have found it to be useless. The study of identical twins blows every
genetic theory of athletic performance out of the water.
The twins are never equal in athletic performance.

Further from my personal expericence :

I was an all star athlete, but my brother got a fucking "D" in P.E. :1orglaugh
Yet, my mom remarried and gained a step son who became fasinated with my trophies
and sports letter jacket. He had none of my geneitcs; but the motivation he had made
him become an all star athelete. He never lived with me to see my workouts, but
my brother did. But look at who succeeded in sports. The one with the motivation
who had clear goals set before him by someone he admired.

Last but not least of the dumb shit Jimmy The Greek said :

"Slave owners bred the big blacks".

If you want to breed people then just turn the fucking light out and watch the
big niggas get all the pussy.

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Fucking stupid.

Besides, the guy was fired for being drunk when he said it too.

I know plenty about athletics bro.

I've heard every fucking excuse ever made.
It's all bullshit.
It's all about people not accepting that they got beat by hard work because everyone
thinks they work the hardest.

Blame it on genetics, blame it on steriods, blame it on and on and on except don't
dare blame it on simply not desiring it enough to do the work.

I watched too many lazy people laugh at my work outs and say I was stupid for
doing them but then the scholarship came and I was the only one holding it.

Go figure.

This is obviously a touchy subject, and i'm the whitest guy in the room..lol

I think it sounds logical though. Nothing wrong with that. They have an advantage because their ancestors were stronger and faster. Combine that with drive and ambition as well as hard work, and id say they are doing ok. :)

It's all that running from the cops with stolen property at an early age

pretty people have more children? have you not seen the average family of 5 at walmart? It's far from pretty...

Yes, slaves were bred selectively for strength (man controlled evolution right there).

The average black man has more athletic endowment than the average white man.
The average white man has more intellectual endowment than the average black man (or has the patients to study to appear so).
Keep in mind there are always outliers and these are just averages.
This is all due to environmental circumstances engendered over thousands of years.

It's all the same reason why history's elite intellectuals come out of areas that had long winters or at least changing seasons that warranted extended duration inside at a study.
Winter forces people to plan ahead and make choices which selectively chooses those that can adapt to that environment.

This isn't me being mean or bitter towards blacks, it's just fact. Michael Johnson is right in his assumption (it's just not some athletic gene, but a whole assortment of different dna sequences).

If we all lived on a planet with 2x gravity, over some generations are bodies would probably get stockier, and undoubtedly stronger by default. Our muscles may even take on a denser structure and become more efficient due to the environment.

If this could all be redone by having a control group of whites live in Africa for thousands of years and only somehow breeding with only each other (kept from inbreeding though) and slowly they'd lean out due to the hot environment to dissipate the heat and it'd be favored for those whose skin was more brown to eventually completely black to provide a natural SPF toward the hot Sahara sun.

A lot more pros in the NBA get by on raw talent than you'd think. Yes, hardwork gets you there but those of African descent have a much stronger base to go off of.

I still AM sitting on my ass playing it.

And yet you can't provide a single scientic fact to back up any of this theory.

Grow the fuck up.

:2 cents:

If that makes you feel better about yourself, sure. :thumbsup

I own a gym. I understand what you are saying and mostly agree with you. I hear nothing but excuses all day long and do little more than shutting those people down all day long and get them to accept personal responsibility. I understand what you are saying. I'm just saying that genetics play a much larger role on a world class level than you trying to qualify for the county track meet.

Steroids aren't the reason Mr Olympia is Mr Olympia. Steroids are a necessary component to get to that size and be competitive. But of course it takes unreal discipline, hard work, perfect diet and so on. HOWEVER, his size is the result of his genetic potential to get to that size.

I am simply saying that genetics play a large role in athletics on a world class level. Lance Armstrong didn't work any harder than the other 1000s that lost to him. The top 500 Iron Man triathletes aren't winning in by order of "hard work". There are a lot of factors, hard work is a prerequisite, not the sole determining factor as you are suggesting.

It's not any more outlandish to say "being a descendant of a slave gives one a small genetic advantage" anymore than it is to say "Ronnie Coleman was Mr Olympia 8 times ONLY because he used steroids"

It's a great deal more complex than that and when you are competing at a world class level, a .5% advantage for whatever reason (genetics, drugs etc) is huge.

So it is your contention that selective breeding is worthless? You don't think it would have helped you?

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Unlike a simple mathematics problem like 2 + 2 = 4, which is still an abstract concept, evolution is much more abstract and it's something only some people can fully understand.

Sometimes truths are self evident and to anyone who loves and seeks truth and has ample intelligence, evolution just makes sense.

Let me ask you this...

Why is it as the level of education a person acquires (both equated on patience and intelligence) their belief in a religion or deity dwindles to a very small percentage with PhD candidates?
Smart and patient people understand things better than those that aren't.

First of all I object to classifing body building as athletic performance; especially
since there is no evidence of body builders moving into a sport and dominating because
of there excessive steriod use.

Big steriod bloated muscles do NOT equal better athlete.
If it did then body builders are really stupid to stay broke most of their lives instead
of playing pro sports where they could dominate and make millions.
They don't go into pro sports because they can't make the team.


The slave shit is just shit. I can't benefit from my great grand fathers workouts.
That's ludicrous.

Besides, I met him and the dude was fucking short.

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I recognize that this is a widely held assumption, but for a specific example of why this might not be true, look at medieval England:

All they did was longbow. Think Robin Hood.

Every village green was devoted to archery. An archer got all the girls. An archer got gold. A man could become something if he could shoot. Put our football, basketball, baseball, NASCAR, and Europe and Brasil's Futbol together, and you have some idea. The best archers were gods. Those stories about Robin Hood exist to this day. Name me one football player that will last more than a century.

Dude, those were little, sick peasants who lived on shitty bread and didn't have two pennies to rub together, but if they wanted to, they'd put an arrow between your eyes at 100 yards. Every single one. Every man HAD to shoot. If you didn't, you were an outcast. Children played at longbow and old men told tales.

In a few hundred years, this small population developed techniques that let them pull bows that we cannot pull today as in NO ONE. And we don't even understand how they did it. The average village had guys who could shoot farther than ANYONE in the world today, even with all our science and materials.

Agincourt shows what happened when you fucked with them. They killed 25000 french knights in FULL PLATE.

These guys ate, dreamed, lived the longbow. It was the only way out. Remind you of anyone? There were no genetics involved. Just focus and work from baby to grave.

First of all, being a body builder requires just as much dedication, hard work, discipline and sacrifice as any other sport. It taxes the body just as much as anything else. In fact, a large component of success in body building is recovering due to the intense and constant tax on the body.

Saying "body builders don't become [ANTHING] because..." is totally irrelevant to the point of genetics playing a role in physical performance.

Again, all totally irrelevant to the topic and the role of genetics in physical performance.

Evolution must exist in the abstract because there is very little verifiable facts to
back the entire theory up on the level that it's being preached.
Evolution is being touted as the cause for everything; yet it provides proof for nothing.

Evolution theory has become the equivalent of the religious claim "God works in mysterious ways". It's used to explain all that can't be explained.
The evolutionist says "Over time" to explain away all questions of how something occured.

Evolutionism is the "new religion" where people worship the monkey god that gave birth
to them.

Despite all the advances in genetic profiling no one can show us a model of how the
primate genetic sequence morphed into a human one. The answer is always one to
accept on blind faith that "it occured over time".

Evolution, just like God, cleary works in mysterious ways.


The only thing that is mysterious about God and evolution is how people continue to
put forth both with certainty when there is no solid evidence of either.

:2 cents:


PS : Randomly finding and digging up human remains and dating them in no way proves
one evolved into the other. It just a theory bro.

So why did you bring body building into the argument in the previous post?

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Because the single largest factor that determines ones success as a world class bodybuilder is genetics. That is true with most sports on that level. Drugs, training, diet etc still only raise you to your genetic potential assuming you do everything perfectly.

In simpler terms, genetics play a role in sports performance.

Often times, for lack of using a better terms, theory is fact. I'll use Carl Sagan as my bulldog here.

PS: don't use "bro" in intellectual matters, it discredits you.

Like I said before "Body building is not an athletic performance".
A body builder is a poor athlete with health problems cause by steriod abuse.

Thay can't win shit outside of the "beauty contest".

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The Governator/Terminator/schwarzenegger won top honors in body building for
a decade, but somehow now the "black gene" is dominating it?????

NOT.

So then he is saying that Europeans did them a favor?






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You discredit yourself by claimg that your folklore ramblings are intellectual bro.

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No proof of any of this and simply not true.

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Still, every silly thing you say, does nothing to discredit the idea that genetics is tied to sports performance.

There wasn't a lot of black body builders at that time. In fact, there wasn't a lot of bodybuilders at all at that time.

There are certainly a lot of black bodybuilders today and one was Mr Olympia for almost a decade.

So June was pick on the Jews month and July is pick on the Blacks month on GFY?

They did. But you'll never get anyone to admit it.