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Gay Veteran talks to Mitt Romney - ABC News
'Gay Veteran questions Mitt Romney's stance on Marriage Equality'
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disengage! disengage!
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Hah! he so did not want to be sitting there when that question was asked
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At least Romney is staying to the script.
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Governor good luck...you're going to need it.
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Mitt Romney believes in faeries, but not the kind this guy was asking about.
If we put this backwards ass cavemen in the White House, then we really deserve what we get. |
I feel that Romney is simply being stupid by taking a stance against gay marriage. He wants to be a leader, but is not open minded enough to adapt to changing times, and there are too many gay marriage supporters to turn your back on when you're running for President.
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In about 10 years(maybe sooner), gay marriage won't be a big issue. |
Very cool.
Guy has guts. |
they're the same age... can't help but notice the stark difference and how Romney looks 10yrs younger than the veteran
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that's a hell of a clip
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From a natural stance, there's nothing natural about homosexuality. From a sexual stance, yes I understand it. Hell, I'm in porn. I'm a huge fan of women together and I understand people that want to see men together. But, from a natural stance, homosexuality cannot reproduce offspring and therefore is unnatural. Gays cannot have children. Were it not for socialistic options such as adoption, homosexual couples would not have families and would cease to exist as units exactly when the two parties involved died. It's just simple logic and math. Heterosexual couples reproduce for a myriad of reasons and it's something homosexual couples cannot accomplish without assistance from a 3rd party. Now, do I accept someone loving whomever they desire? Absolutely. Do I believe there are persons that are born Gay? Absolutely. Do I think you will convince mainstream America that homosexuality is equal to and on par with Man/Woman relationships? Nope... Ain't never gonna happen. Also, I have no idea why the government is in the marriage business anyway. It makes no sense. From a purely tax revenue standpoint, a marriage is no different than a partnership. The government doesn't care when you are married, they only care about what happens if you break up. I don't think the gov't should recognize marriages. I think they should recognize that two people have joined in a partnership. If that happens to mean that the two people are both gay then so be it. Allow equality of those arrangements. Marriage is something that's religious in nature. Leave marriage up to the religions. If someone can find a religion to marry them as homosexuals, then have at it. Just my :2 cents: |
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Before you suggest we make a 'civil union' law that gives the same rights but is not a marriage... keep in mind we already tried 'separate but equal' with black people and it failed miserably back in the 1960s. If you want to take away all legal rights given to married people under our Laws, great. If you want to give the SAME legal rights to anyone married to anyone else under our laws, great. What you can not do is give some married people legal rights and not give other married people the same legal rights. That much should be very clear to anyone born after the 1700s :2 cents: |
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Dinosaurs never know when they're going extinct. Then one day they are.
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BTW, skin color and sexual preference are two completely different things. I can choose to be homosexual if I desire (don't go all flame on me, I already admitted I know plenty of "born gay" people. I also know plenty of ones that chose to be that way as well. Also, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that a "born gay" person could lead a life as a heterosexual, just as it's perfectly reasonable to assume that I could lead a gay lifestyle if I chose to). I however cannot choose to be a black man. It's just not possible. The argument has to be seen differently due to that fact alone. A black man being discriminated for skin color is a terrible thing. Being told you cannot marry someone due to sexual preference and receive benefits??? As I said before, I agree that they should be able to get the same treatment having it seen as a partnership. The definition of "marriage" at that point becomes immaterial. Two people joined together in a partnership in order to achieve specific goals that they could not achieve singularly. That's an equal definition of a partnership and a marriage. Why not just get away from the hot topic and make everyone happy? Give marriage back to the people in the marriage business. Arguing equality???? Hah.. fix my tax rates and then lets talk about equality for everyone. When I stop getting fucked up the ass because I make decent money and someone else doesn't I'll be happy to help them convince other people that "marriage" should be an equal right for everyone. "Progressive tax" rates are just legalized theft, nothing more. If you want equality, try full equality, not just selective. As I said, marriage isn't a game the gov't should be playing. It's a political hot topic so it helps people get elected or not. Stop the shell game is what I suggest. Get out of the game and just deal with the contractual side of things. Make that equal. Quote:
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Religion has no place in politics!
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(yes, I know not everyone in the bible belt) |
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No, you cannot choose to be homosexual. That's the dinosaur part. All the dwindling arguments hinge on it, and it's a rapidly shrinking number of people who simply won't or can't bring themselves to accept it.
You might be able to choose to fuck a guy in the ass, but that doesn't mean you're now a homosexual. You could also wear extra good makeup and look as african as the next guy. Doesn't make you black. |
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A rapidly shrinking number of people???? In what world? You think the large majority of Americans are fully accepting of homosexuality as a lifestyle? I would beg to differ on that. I in fact know personally of four people that are in homosexual relationships that previously were in heterosexual relationships (not a great sampling I know, but it's personal to me and therefore relevant to me). They consider themselves to be homosexual at this time. They made a choice, they clearly did. Look at Anne Heche, she made the choice on both sides. Was she a straight woman just playing gay with Ellen DeGeneres? Is she now really a gay woman just playing heterosexual with her husband and kids? Does this mean all gay people have done it by choice? Of course not. However, again, you cannot choose to be black. You either are or are not. Those classes and arguments for racism vs lifestyle inequality are completely different. |
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Personally the government and religion should have a hand in marriage. I'm atheist and will never get married in a church on moral grounds, so I will go to the courthouse to do that. If people follow a religion then they can go to their church if they want. Marriage has always been about gaining wealth and power, religion was only thrown on top so they could control it. |
I hate reading every multi quoted message ever created so I'll only do it once.
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The reason racism is a valid analogy is exactly because one can't change their true sexuality any more than a person can change their skin color. Just choose not to be black sort of fails right? It's the same thing and it's not a matter of belief, it's just a matter of accepting facts at the end of the day. If I jam my hand in fire, yes I'm choosing to remove my hand because "something just wasn't right about that on second thought". Anyway yeah, I'm fine having a different opinion. The handwriting has been on the wall for decades on this one though. But of course alot of people don't vote on math or science. It's pretty weak of lawmakers to say "traditional definition of marriage" though. How about the "traditional definition of property" when it came to abolishing slavery, or the "traditional definition of voting" when it came to allowing women to vote.. this one is really so easy to see coming. Just saying. |
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Sex is for fun and entertainment. The reason people get aroused by the opposite sex is purely for propagation of the species. That's nature at work right there. In order to make more humans, you get a boner so you want to have sex with the baby carriers. Simple enough. Just because a portion of the species gets boners seeing other boners doesn't mean nature isn't working as intended. It just means that those portions of the species won't be reproducing unless they get the proper 3rd party involved. Quote:
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Government has no business in "marriage", only in contractual agreements. A partnership is a contract with another entity/person. That's exactly what a marriage is. Nothing more. I fully endorse governments allowing domestic partnerships to be equalized with whomever the other person desires. My wife and I in a domestic partnership vs 2 men or 2 women enjoying the same seems perfectly reasonable to me. Convincing churches to bless "marriages" between same sexes??? sure, you will find some that will do it. Asking government to do the same and asking society to equalize those two thoughts (religious marriage vs. state endorsed marriage?) Won't happen. Change the word and it will be more likely to be acceptable. You won't get straight couples en masse to agree that their marriage is the same as a gay marriage. However, ask them to agree to partnership equality, and I bet that has a better chance of occurring. |
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1-I don't suppose you to subscribe to anything. I just disagree with you. I don't believe gay is a lifestyle choice first and foremost. I believe that it is for some and is not for some. Wait, I'll reverse that order for you. I believe that it is not a choice for some, yet it is a choice for others. I don't agree that the number of people believing homosexuality is a rapidly shrinking number. I guess it depends on your thoughts of how big the number is and how fast it may be changing. Perhaps the number of people believing that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice is a rapidly growing number? If you have 1million people that agreed with that before and now 1.5 million think that, then that's a 50% growth rate, whereas 1/2 million changing from the other side of the equation would be a 1/10% decline. Guess it just depends on how you look at it. 2- They realized they were homosexuals when before they were not? Possible, or perhaps they chose option 2 instead of option 1. Either way is certainly plausible. Anne Heche was straight, thought she was gay, and realized she was wrong. Or perhaps she was straight, then felt gay and now feels straight again. Maybe she will feel gay again at one point. it's convenient to pass her (and others) off as pretenders and assume that all gays are actually the only true gays. I know, it's convenient for me to do so on the other side. 3- I don't rely on gay being a lifestyle choice. I'm saying it's part of the equation, not the entire answer. It's not incorrect and can't be if it's part of the equation. The idea that it's shrinking is agreeable, just not sure I'd agree with the perception of how fast it's occurring. 4- Sure you can change sexuality and people are doing it. I'm straight, but if I decide to go on a bender for a few years and enjoy penis, I bet I'd identify as gay. I'd probably have a hard time getting a date otherwise. It would be a choice for me to do so and perhaps I'd become infatuated and perhaps fall in love with another man if I decided to do so. Would this make me less gay than those that have never felt feelings for a woman ever in their entire lives? Tough to make that judgement call in my opinion. Your supposition is that gayness is 100% born, just like skin color. I disagree. No big deal, I just disagree. I'd say yes for some, no for others. If you are looking at facts, then you have to accept that there are those in the gay community that have chosen to be there. Unless of course you write off all of those as pretenders, or they were confused in their heterosexual existence prior to, then your argument succeeds. 5- Traditional is what it is. Kind of like saying Majority. Can it change. Sure it can. Will it? Who knows. You may be right, or it may spark the populace to make different choices about how they wish to be governed. I'd venture to say that the black population fighting for equality was larger in percentage of the populace than the gay population fighting for a different kind of equality. Also, blacks were fighting for what people would identify most likely as remnants of slavery. They wished to be equalized to their white neighbors and not segregated. I believe they already had property and marriage equality at that point. To my knowledge, gays don't have to ride on the backs of busses or drink from separate water fountains or use different changing rooms. They simply want recognition of the word "marriage" to apply to them. I suggest using different terminology to accomplish those goals. |
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I'll never understand why some people really give a fuck if someone is straight, gay, whatever. Honestly why do you care what others do. Its sad.
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I'm not opposing gay marriage (although I don't specifically support it), I'm stating that convincing the populace that they should equalize it with heterosexual marriage just ain't gonna happen unless the legislature and courts shove it down their throats. I also don't equate it similarly to racial injustices. I just think its a horse of a different color per se. This isn't about dictating to others how to live their life and in fact is a dictation in reverse. The gay community wishes to dictate to the heterosexual community that they must equalize something that they disagree with. I just don't see that happening. (I know, bring out the historicals for racial injustice or gender injustice. See previous for my thoughts on how those are not directly comparable in my reasoning) I suggest changing the tactic and convincing the hetero side to change how the state views joinings of persons. I don't think marriage is something the state should be endorsing, especially since the state only cares about the contractual side of it. Marriage in and of itself is an emotional joining. I'd prefer the state stays out of my emotions and thought processes and keeps itself to tangible interests and concerns. |
Marriage is an emotional partnership combined with the legal protection of property.
The only argument against being fully committed to a man, woman or even multiple people is one of bigotry, misunderstanding or a religious belief that you are to help god fight against it. |
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i am not sure why i should even explain this |
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Now what? These people and their sexual disorder are there and society can't change that. There is no cure and it isn't the type of disorder you can lock someone up for having. Their same sex attraction feels as natural to them as yours does to women. Purely from a standpoint of doing the right thing, why would you want to deny them the same rights as straight couples? What you are saying is "Oh, sorry, you were born with a defect. So you can't pursue certain types of happiness with someone who is like you because I think it's too gross." Does the same argument apply to couples with downs syndrome or dwarfism? Each is a defect of nature. Since couples with downs can't function in society the same way straight people do, should they not be allowed to marry? And since dwarfs are highly likely to have a dwarf child in their family, should they be denied marriage also? You need to take a few steps back and reevaluate your views on human existence. |
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Kevin,
Things will get very exciting when people decide discriminating against others is an 'unnatural flaw' and start curtailing the rights of people who do it. The number of gay people plus the number of straight people empathetic to gay people far exceeds the number of haters. When critical mass is reached, being on the wrong side of history will leave many haters out in the cold. |
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I believe that the state should get out of the marriage game. Partnerships, that's all they care about. Partnerships. Allow partnerships of anyone whom wants to make one. Make the benefits and whatnot equal. If aunt Tessie and Aunt Gilda want to be in a partnership so that they can benefit from the contractual arrangement; have at it. No sexual concerns even involved. Make the arrangement equal and get the fuck away from a word. Otherwise there will always be exceptions that feel slighted. Get the gayness away from the issue and equalize it across the board. As far as my views of human existence are concerned, I appreciate your concern for me. I'm just fine. |
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The number of people that don't give a rats ass right now far outnumber everyone else combined. If they ever did care enough to chime in, they would drown out the fringes on both sides. People in the middle are far too busy living their lives to worry about the fringes. They think the left and the right are completely off their rockers. You may be correct in your numbers assumptions (gays+sympathizers>haters), but that's still not a massive portion of the overall population. |
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Allowing a marriage that another state doesn't wish to recognize is asking for Supreme Court review (insert concealed carry laws, driver's licensing of foreign nationals, etc). Just because State A says something is OK, doesn't make it national law. Everybody has got to say it's OK and no one has to bring it before SCOTUS. Otherwise, it's just pissing into the wind until someone does. BTW, you know just as well as I do that without some sort of Federal legislation (constitutional amendment anyone?), that not every state in the Union will accept gay marriage. There's the guaranteed liberal states of course, but on the other side, there's those guaranteed conservative states where it never will happen. That's why the federal push. Also, federal legislation is only binding until something overrides it. Care to be married where that contract can then be changed by a new group of legislators? They obviously have no desire to attack man/woman marriage, but you know there's plenty of conservatives that even if gay marriage were to pass, would come into the next conservative ruled congress and make a change. It's what they are most likely to do to the Healthcare Affordability Act (Obamacare) the first chance they get. Constitutional amendments were made difficult to enact and just as difficult to change. Standard legislation goes the way of popular opinion as soon as the legislators are elected. They want to get reelected. They could give a shit how people felt a few years prior. |
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He's not even the right choice fiscally. His policies are no different than GWBs. We all know where that got us. Obama 2012. http://www.bartcop.com/10-year-jobs-where_n.jpg |
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