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Shit Robme flip flops again
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old news.
I don't understand why anyone would trust Mitt Romney to be President. |
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Gingrich? Santorum? Bachman? All EVEN WORSE than Mittens. Obama 2012. |
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What I don't understand is how Romney passed a healthcare bill when he was governor that seems very similar to what was just passed nationwide. I'm not saying what we passed is perfect - bills never are - but something is better than nothing. I have a friend of mine who is paying a ton of money for healthcare and he cannot switch because of pre existing conditions. Now he can.
What was best was that convention they had in Hawaii a few years ago. I think it was a Republican thing, about the same time Obamacare passed. They (I think it was John Stewart) asked if they knew of a state where that has mandatory healthcare state wide, and all of them replied there is no such state. What no one seems to know is that Hawaii does in fact have such healthcare - where it's required by employers. |
The bad out weighs the good in Obama care... The inserts killed it..
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Make it law to pay for health care out of a % of your income. So everyone from the day they start work is covered. For people who can't work for what ever reason, make the care provided include those who can't work. Then pass a law to make the insurance companies non profitable.
Better still, look to other countries for the best models to see what works. Health care in the hands of big business is flawed from the start. End of ....... |
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hopefully the US as a nation fixes those inserts the old fashioned way |
i hate flip flops...
i prefer proper shoes.... |
Obama was Bush 2.0 and Romney will be Obama 2.0.
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What's bad about "Obamacare" again? The lower insurance prices? The inability to be denied for pre-existing conditions? The kids 19 to 25 allowed to be covered by mom and dad? The closing of the doughnut hole for senior prescription drugs? Or is it that unknown fear of other savings and advantages coming in the future that we should be afraid of according to foxnews or rush limbaugh?
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BUT...we did get a $300 refund check from them thanks to the stipulation in ObamaCare that limits the insurance companies profit percentage. :) But at $800 a month for me, my wife, and kid...it's still pretty damn expensive. Has anybody here had their insurance costs go down yet? |
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the only reason you bring in a romney is to cut money spending....typically he destroys a company and makes money doing so. Will he be able to do the same for something the size of the USA? As well as keep the USA intact and functioning? I do not think so. I haven't seen or heard of any solid plans from them, just smiling and waving.
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Ryan and Romney specifically refuse to lay out their tax plan as recently as yesterday on ABC's "This Week". Instead of saying what they plan, Ryan claimed they want to do it in a public way.. to which the host replied that's why I'm asking you here on a public program! lmfao..
I think they might be jerks.. |
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Don't worry -- they have a plan. It is tricking down to you as I type :upsidedow |
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I'm talking about an actual reduction n premiums (which is what was said would happen) |
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Without Obama care, would they have kept the 300 AND increased your premiums? You betcha. :)
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But as I said...the big promise of ObamaCare was that it would lower our insurance rates. Since it hasn't completely kicked in yet, that may turn out to be true in 2014. But I'll be damned if the insurance companies aren't raising the hell out of them right now. :( |
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Who are you with? I'm with Blue Cross/Blue Shield and it has only gone up and up over the last 4 years. |
His flip flops are the king of the beach
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A Michigan state run federally subsidised preexsting high risk program. You have to be a basket case to apply -- it is up to $13,900 per person annually. Very expensive but no private insurer would cover me. |
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I'm hoping to see my premiums come down when the whole thing kicks in. Right now, the fact that it keeps going up kinda suggests that one of the deals that was cut in the backroom was to allow the insurance companies to get one more good final price-gouge in before 2014 (I think that's when the whole Health Care plan is supposed to finally be implemented) What I personally would have like to have seen would have been Obama and the then Dem controlled House & Senate growing a set and making it a real single pay system. But that was just a pipe dream. If it had happened, the health insurance industry would have been immediately put out of business. And they have too much money and lobbyists for anybody in Congress to be able to do that. |
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If Either side can not make a change based on new information then that is worse....
IE what if we found out before we went there were no WMD, nope not going to flip flop. Now if it is Flip Flop as in two faced then yes that is BAD. If it is a Real Change of Mind, then more power to the right or the left!!! |
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Thanks, yes for now anyway. |
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The chart on this page says it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures And no...there is no Hitler with a giant war machine that we have to contend with. Just crazy Muslims who want to blow shit up here and there. Apparently it takes 1.5 TRILLION dollars a year to deal with that. :( |
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I'll give you 1 simple word.. Republicans.. It doesn't matter what he says or does they will vote for him because he's not a Democrat. Much the same as Democrats would vote for any Democrat because he's not a Republican but most Democrats are more liberal (oh dirty word) and are more open to voting for people outside their party if it seems like a sensible vote. Republican on other hand are like the Taliban and it's always their way or no way. |
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As for welfare, this is small money given to poorer people. Sure there is some abuse.... But maybe take a look at corporate welfare first since that is just giving huge money to wealthy corporations |
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http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...ear/?mobile=nc Republicans love to see people on food stamps - that way they can bitch without doing anything to solve the problem. What has the GOP done to reduce the number of people on food stamps (which is different from welfare, btw)? They have done NOTHING. Since Obama set foot in the White House, those fuckers have done everything they can to hold back the recovery. |
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I have a few friends who will be FORCED to get coverage even though they do not go to the doctor, and for dental they ask and pay Cash prices. I Do Love the little things in the health care the now Mitt says he will keep. ALL mentioned above! What is going to suck is the Price tag that we will have to start paying on soon, and then when it gets turned over to the states to foot the bill, ouch! |
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But no like everything they will just cut people and say oh look at what the other side made us do or whatever... It is all stupid! |
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I am probably the exception to the rule, but when I read articles like this; Health insurance costs up 97% in 10 years: report http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012...alth-insurance there is a serious problem ... |
You anti healthcare law guys know that health insurance premiums are going up at a rapid pace with or without the new healthcare law... This is not a new thing
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Instead of a Health "Insurance" program...we needed to stop the price gouging, put in tort reform (hundreds of billions of dollars are WASTED every year on unnecessary tests because if a doctor is sued for malpractice and didn't order a particular test...the malpractice insurance won't cover them) I'm not sure that ObamaCare actually does ANYTHING about actual health costs. It just tries to make us all get insurance in the theory that having millions more paying customers will have insurance rates go down. I could be wrong about that though. The ObamaCare plan is so many pages, I don't think anybody knows what's in it. lol |
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