Sitting on the sidelines long enough...
 

I just read Fabien's post about OctopusCash (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1096494) and one part of the message got me irked:


"There will be no more payments. We are now out of business."

Yet as Homer Simpson pointed out
Which is true, if your company is "out of business", shouldn't your sites also all be shut down. As far as I can tell, their paysites are still running fine and operating business as usual.

So what about the the folks who have been promoting and pushing traffic to those paysites. What about those rebills? Those revenues that are owed? They are essentially telling their affiliates, thanks for the all your hardwork and guess what we are not going to pay you anything that you are owed.

Let me make this clear, I did not promote OctopusCash at any time so I have no horse in the race or no hidden agenda. I have long got out of the webmaster business, sold off my sites and I'm more in distribution now. But it just sickens me when I see Affiliates pull these shady bs on the people who promote them. Time and time again, we see it happen. Then a few months later, those same "people" will pop up with a new affiliate program and new sites.

I'm not just here picking on OtopusCash, although they are a shining example of shady since their paysites are still up and running. If you ran out of business, shouldn't your sites also be shut down??? It's just we have seen time and time again, the number of affiliates who screw the people who promote their shit and run away with money. More often than not, aside from ranting, webmasters don't do a thing to this shady affiliate prpgrams. Suing it out of the question because often it's too time consuming and the amount of money lost to these companies are simply not enough. And these companies know it, they are prey on that premise that you won't go after them and they will do it again and again.

So getting back to the original title regarding sitting on the sideline long enough, I thought I would devote my time, and resources to do something about it. I mentioned it briefly in the past and half jokingly but after today, I am seriously thinking about moving forward with this and help give these shady affiliate companies a taste of what it feels to feel fucked. Maybe they will care, maybe they won't. At the very least, it will give the webmasters who got scammed out of payouts some measure of revenge, small revenge but still revenge.

What is my plan? Here's where things get murky. And that's why I want to see your responses and see if you guys will support this or not. Ultimately, if I go ahead and do this, it will be to help our industry and the people in it. That's it. If you guys shoot down the idea, fine, no big deal.

On to the plan, so these "shady affiliate companies", they run paysites and they have content right? What if "someone" launched a tube site, and on this tube site, there is a user upload option. I'm sure you guys are starting to get a picture now :winkwink: And users upload the shady affiliate company's content on the tube site? I mean all of it, assuming the uploader chooses to upload it. The tube site owner, will ensure the server is located offshore, and utilizing DMCA protected facilities.

And if by mysterious circumstances, the shady affiliates send DMCA's to the site asking their content be removed, an email will be dispatched to them telling them that their content will be removed once they pay the affiliates they screwed over. Until then, they can GFY :1orglaugh

Would you guys on a whole support a tube site of this kind? Would you help promote it? Send traffic to it,etc...

And for companies who would be targeted, they would be blatant scammer affiliate programs. Not the late for one month to pay their affiliates, because as distasteful as it is not getting paid on time, shit happens and sometimes good affiliate programs are just late paying. But the companies specifically who will have their content featured on the tube site are the blatant real scammers who screw their affiliates.

Again, I have no horse in this race, no hidden agenda. Just sick and tired of seeing affiliates who work hard promoting these shady affiliate companies to put food on their table and get screwed at the end by these companies. It won't stop until we start doing something about it. Suing is not really an option, this is perhaps the next best thing to get some measure of revenge.

Whether you are Friends or Frienemies on this board, to quote 2pac "We might fight amongst each other, but I promise you this; we'll burn this bitch down get us pissed" :thumbsup

Parking here.

I always laugh at people who say they are thinking about doing this. Way to publicly implicate yourself making any lawsuits easy. It's hard to hide behind DMCA when you publicly state you are going to upload videos yourself.

So go ahead and do that. I'll sit on the sidelines and see what happens.

Two wrongs don't make a right. This is a stupid idea. This is also an unlawful idea.

If the OP making a point, fine float the idea, however if the OP is seriously considering it then he's talking about conspiring to take part in criminal activity.

The owner of the tube site is not uploading anything. The screwed affiliate would do it.

This is a stupid and unlawful idea.

We're fighting piracy enough as it is and you're seriously considering adding to that problem. :321GFY

Lawsuits from whom? The scammer affiliate program owners who's content showed up on the tube site? :winkwink:

Like I said AdultKing, it's an idea, if the masses don't like it, the idea won't go beyond this stage. And I would not be the one running/owning the tube site if it goes through. Just lending my help, and resources to help it get up and running. A few of us have been discussing this privately about the idea. I will help in my own way but no way I would run/own the site. Not after posting it here and exposing myself to possible legality issues. But others will run/own the site :thumbsup

You do realise, although I suspect you probably don't, that the content you are talking about might be owned by other parties thus you will be harming parties that have no involvement in the affiliate program concerned.

It's obvious you have no respect for intellectual property as you have ripped off the Pornhub logo in your Webcams Hub logo.

Two wrongs don't make a right. We don't fix problems by perpetuating piracy or other forms of infringement.

What you're talking about doing is wrong, patently wrong.

I guess this is where to look first if such a thing actually happened.

Measures will be in place to ensure that the content featured on the tube site are exclusive content owned by the scammer affliliate program. No third party content would show up on the tube site.

The idea was born after DungeonBank screwed a shit load of it's affiliates and refused to pay.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1047276

How would you know unless you a privy to private agreements between producers and licensees ?

You haven't thought this through obviously.

Regardless of whether an affiliate program scammed affiliates or not, it's no excuse to act illegally.

As an industry we rail against piracy, no matter what the motivation.

You do realize that posting personal details is against the forum rules right AdultKing? It's my gf's site so you just pulled her personal info. I'm not stupid enough to have my whois information exposed as all of my paysites are whois protected :). But if you feel the need to pull info, go ahead :thumbsup Guys who do business with me on the board knows that it's not my name you just pulled :thumbsup

Does your girlfriend own all the domains you have for sale ? \

The whois info is the same.

By the way, WHOIS information is public information, it's allowed in the rules.

what happened to the old days with the old baseball bat and kneecaps?

All these domains have the same WHOIS

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1090503

Yes, all domain sales are handled by her. I post them here as she does not have an account. Some of us don't have multiple account names :thumbsup

Oh I miss those days scottybuzz, things were so much simplier back then :thumbsup

Although Chris Mallick learned in that parking parkade that old school justice still exists :1orglaugh

Ok, well if you put your hair brained scheme into action she's obviously be a good person to start with when identifying your actual whereabouts. :2 cents:

Ok no problem :thumbsup I kinda see why Killswitch thinks you are twit now :)

Way to go using your girlfriend's name all over pornographic domain names because you lack a backbone to put your own up there. Only a real man would hide behind a woman. :thumbsup

She has no issue with it. She spends the money :1orglaugh from the sales. Why should it concern you if she doesn't have a problem with it :1orglaugh. That's the problem with guys like you Harmon, just from your post, you think porn is dirty and try to make it sound like we are in the dirty business but it's just business and there is nothing wrong with being involved in the porn industry. :)

I suggest you get a real job.

Thanks, I got one :thumbsup. So much hate for the idea I see. Oh well, guess those shady affiliate program owners win another round. :disgust

At the end of the day, it's the webmasters who get screwed when shady affiliate owners know that guys like AK, Harmon, and 12clicks would rather protect the scammers than the people getting scammed :( It's a green light for those scammers to continue what they are doing under new programs

Another winning idea from the mind of elitewebmaster

I also noticed that ? "It's my gf's site so you just pulled her personal info. I'm not stupid enough to have my whois information exposed as all of my paysites are whois protected"

You're not stupid enough? But you put your g/f's out there instead? You're a hell of a guy.

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i like shitting on the sidelines for as long as possible...

At least until the police move me on... :2 cents:

Well hello there arock, no it wasn't my idea actually. Can't take the credit for it. You would be surprised if you knew who came up with it actually :thumbsup

Not exactly sure why you think it's such a bad thing. She had no objections to her name being out there. She ran my script and she registered the domains. Don't see how you come up with me pimping out her name. Her domains, so it's her right to leave her name on there. Again, if she didn't like her name out there, then I suppose she would have whois protected it like I do mine :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh: thumbsup

It's just funny you say you're "not stupid enough" but I guess she is?

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It's stupid if you have paysites and you put your full name out there for the gov't,etc.. to see is what I meant. For her, I don't see the issue since she doesn't run any sites, she just sells undeveloped domains. I'm surprised by the responses where everyone is so concerned for my gf having her name on the whois of her domains but she's not. :1orglaugh I'm sure if she cared enough, she would have whois protected her name.

no, you horse's ass. I'm simply stating the obvious. Clowns like yourself who are out to save the affiliate never do. If they (read you) had any talent, you'd be busy using it, not talking about stealing content from a program that at its best probably did 5 joins a day.

U mad bro? :1orglaugh

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does a cat get mad at a ball of sting, noob?:1orglaugh

Since you resorted to name calling in your last post, my guess is yes :1orglaugh

yes noob, I get mad at all of the "elite webmasters" who don't have a pot to piss in. now run into the other room and tell your mom you made a funny.

Are you 12?

I wish :1orglaugh

With the mom jokes now? Wow I really ticked you off huh :1orglaugh

it wasn't a joke. I really DO want you to run to the other room and tell her of your latest online success.:1orglaugh

Ok will do :thumbsup