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D Ghost 01-31-2013 11:16 AM

Firearms vs. Doctors/Drugs
 
Also, 9878 drunk driving deaths in 2011... http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

I guess we should ban alcohol and cars too!!

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4372/firearmsz.jpg

BlackCrayon 01-31-2013 11:18 AM

would be interesting if they did it the other way around as well. how many lives saved via guns vs the medical industry.

crockett 01-31-2013 11:21 AM

Doctors are usually held accountable as are drug manufacture companies if they did something that caused the death.

Doctors & drug companies are also required to keep malpractice insurance.

So.. by that line of thinking if you want to compare guns to doctors & drugs.. Perhaps Gun owners should be required to have accidental shooting insurance and gun manufactures maybe should be liable if their guns are used to kill people?

Is this what you are saying?

L-Pink 01-31-2013 11:21 AM

Interesting to think what percentage of those homicides would have been murdered anyway?

NewNick 01-31-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19454797)
would be interesting if they did it the other way around as well. how many lives saved via guns vs the medical industry.

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D Ghost 01-31-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19454802)
Doctors are usually held accountable as are drug manufacture companies if they did something that caused the death.

Doctors & drug companies are also required to keep malpractice insurance.

So.. by that line of thinking if you want to compare guns to doctors & drugs.. Perhaps Gun owners should be required to have accidental shooting insurance and gun manufactures maybe should be liable if their guns are used to kill people?

Is this what you are saying?

The drug manufacturers are actively marketing and pushing people to take their drugs. The gun manufacturers do not market their guns to civilians for you to go kill other people.

Is an automobile manufacturer held responsible for a drunk driver killing someone or for any driver killing someone? No.

CurrentlySober 01-31-2013 11:28 AM

Whoops... I've wet myself... :(

Rochard 01-31-2013 11:29 AM

Let's just use the guns to shoot all of the doctors.

Dirty F 01-31-2013 11:42 AM

Why are gun nuts suchs retards? What causes that?

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 11:46 AM

31,000 + deaths, is that it?

A load of fuss about nothing.....

AdultPornMasta 01-31-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454794)
Also, 9878 drunk driving deaths in 2011... http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

I guess we should ban alcohol and cars too!!

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4372/firearmsz.jpg

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Rochard 01-31-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454818)
The drug manufacturers are actively marketing and pushing people to take their drugs. The gun manufacturers do not market their guns to civilians for you to go kill other people.

Is an automobile manufacturer held responsible for a drunk driver killing someone or for any driver killing someone? No.

Is the automobile manufacturer held responsible for a drunk driver killing someone? No. Do we hold Colt or Bushmaster or Armalite responsible when someone goes on a shooting rampage. No, we do not.

The difference is the vast majority of Americans need a car on a daily basis, but have no need for a firearm. My wife, for example, uses her car on a daily basis but yet has never needed a firearm. The family across the street, husband and wife, three kids, uses their cars on a daily basis but yet has never ever needed or touched a firearm. My other neighbor is from Cuba, wife, two girls; He utterly fails to understand why anyone in the US needs a firearm.

You can't compare firearm deaths to automobile deaths; We need cars. You can't compare firearm deaths to deaths caused by doctors; Eventually almost all of us will die while under the care of doctors.

D Ghost 01-31-2013 11:51 AM

I can't remember the last time I told someone, "Hey buddy, you SHOULD own a gun, why the hell wouldn't you own one!?"

What causes certain people to tell others what they should and shouldn't own?

D Ghost 01-31-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19454871)
Is the automobile manufacturer held responsible for a drunk driver killing someone? No. Do we hold Colt or Bushmaster or Armalite responsible when someone goes on a shooting rampage. No, we do not.

The difference is the vast majority of Americans need a car on a daily basis, but have no need for a firearm. My wife, for example, uses her car on a daily basis but yet has never needed a firearm. The family across the street, husband and wife, three kids, uses their cars on a daily basis but yet has never ever needed or touched a firearm. My other neighbor is from Cuba, wife, two girls; He utterly fails to understand why anyone in the US needs a firearm.

You can't compare firearm deaths to automobile deaths; We need cars. You can't compare firearm deaths to deaths caused by doctors; Eventually almost all of us will die while under the care of doctors.


YES! People DO hold the guns accountable, haha, that is the whole point of this. People who want even more gun control and to ban the right to own a firearm. Blaming everything except the only person responsible, the one who pulled the trigger.

Also, I do get your point. But who is to tell another person what they do and do not need? I actually do not need a car and don't own one.

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454876)
I get the point. But who is to tell another person what they do and do not need? I actually do not need a car and don't own one.

Remarkably few people NEED a gun to go about their daily lives.

D Ghost 01-31-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19454882)
Remarkably few people NEED a gun to go about their daily lives.

Need is an ambiguous term in this case, open to interpretation. People need very little of the material things that we have currently. So?

Are we going to sit here and tell people what they need now? You don't need an iPhone, you don't need a taser, you don't need a lock on your door, you don't need alcohol or drugs (which cause far more deaths than firearms)... and so on?

Just because you do not like or want something, doesn't mean you tell someone else they don't need it so they shouldn't have it lol, wtf.

SuckOnThis 01-31-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19454855)
Why are gun nuts suchs retards? What causes that?


People are retards with or without guns, half the population has a below average IQ and almost 30% believe god effects the outcome of sporting events. These are the people that gravitate towards guns simply due to the fact that they operate on more of a fear based primal level and yet somehow we are supposed to be safer with these same loons carrying guns.

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:02 PM

So let's ban guns, and watch them flood the black market, great idea! Because criminals always obey the law and acquire their guns legally. ROFL.

/end sarcasm

SuckOnThis 01-31-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454895)
So let's ban guns, and watch them flood the black market, great idea! Because criminals always obey the law and acquire their guns legally. ROFL.


Thank you for making my point.

Dirty F 01-31-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19454871)
Is the automobile manufacturer held responsible for a drunk driver killing someone? No. Do we hold Colt or Bushmaster or Armalite responsible when someone goes on a shooting rampage. No, we do not.

The difference is the vast majority of Americans need a car on a daily basis, but have no need for a firearm. My wife, for example, uses her car on a daily basis but yet has never needed a firearm. The family across the street, husband and wife, three kids, uses their cars on a daily basis but yet has never ever needed or touched a firearm. My other neighbor is from Cuba, wife, two girls; He utterly fails to understand why anyone in the US needs a firearm.

You can't compare firearm deaths to automobile deaths; We need cars. You can't compare firearm deaths to deaths caused by doctors; Eventually almost all of us will die while under the care of doctors.

The fact you have to explain this to imbeciles as dj the kid over and over again just shows how fucking dumb the gun freaks are.

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454887)
Need is an ambiguous term in this case, open to interpretation. People need very little of the material things that we have currently. So?'

OK - forget guns - Very few people NEED something that can kill anyone within X hundred yards of where they are standing.

Quote:

Are we going to sit here and tell people what the need now? You don't need an iPhone, you don't need a taser, you don't need a lock on your door, you don't need alcohol or drugs (which cause far more deaths than firearms)... and so on?
I don't need Anthrax - but by your argument I should have it if I want it. Whats the difference between that and a gun.

grumpy 01-31-2013 12:08 PM

medicine doesnt kill inocent bystanders, your point is invalid

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19454909)
OK - forget guns - Very few people NEED something that can kill anyone within X hundred yards of where they are standing.



I don't need Anthrax - but by your argument I should have it if I want it. Whats the difference between that and a gun.

So the fact that a crazy or drunk person could also just ram their car into you on the highway and kill you is different?

My point is guns don't kill people, people that pull the trigger on a gun do.

Dirty F 01-31-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454895)
So let's ban guns, and watch them flood the black market, great idea! Because criminals always obey the law and acquire their guns legally. ROFL.

/end sarcasm

What's life like as an annoying little prick with an iq of 80 and a very shady past in this business? Does it hurt?

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 19454911)
medicine doesnt kill inocent bystanders, your point is invalid

No, bad medicine just kills innocent people period.


You make a good point though, guns are great for shooting not so innocent people trying to rob you!

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:14 PM

Oooh Dirty F getting mad. You can always tell he's really disturbed and you've got into his head when he starts bringing up retarded lines like that!

I can hear the high pitched whining when he says it.

Cool your jets BRO. Just messing with you. Coming to Barcelona or Phoenix?

BlackCrayon 01-31-2013 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454916)
So the fact that a crazy or drunk person could also just ram their car into you on the highway and kill you is different?

My point is guns don't kill people, people that pull the trigger on a gun do.

which is why we need to restrict people from getting them so easily. any idiot knows that an intimate object can't kill anyone, i don't even get why people say that.

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19454939)
which is why we need to restrict people from getting them so easily. any idiot knows that an intimate object can't kill anyone, i don't even get why people say that.

Agreed, I think sensible gun control laws should stay put. But all out banning firearms is not the answer. Criminals, crazy people and whoever will acquire them regardless.

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454916)
So the fact that a crazy or drunk person could also just ram their car into you on the highway and kill you is different?

My point is guns don't kill people, people that pull the trigger on a gun do.

People need cars to get around, that's what they are for. Some fucked up people abuse the privilege. Society does its best to punish those people.

You spend masses of time/effort and money telling people that they have no right to use them irresponsibly to hurt people.

Then you hand them guns that only have one purpose.

Dirty F 01-31-2013 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19454957)
People need cars to get around, that's what they are for. Some fucked up people abuse the privilege. Society does its best to punish those people.

You spend masses of time/effort and money telling people that they have no right to use them irresponsibly to hurt people.

Then you hand them guns that only have one purpose.

Here we go. Explaining it to imbecile boy again....and again....and again.

ottopottomouse 01-31-2013 12:40 PM

I've got raspberry pips stuck in my teeth.

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 19454988)
I've got raspberry pips stuck in my teeth.

I hate it when that happens.

PR_Glen 01-31-2013 12:43 PM

i'm not even anti gun and I think this argument is ridiculous.. next...

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19454967)
Here we go.

Hey Dirty F, check out the R8 I just got with all my "shady" money BRO...

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Kolargol 01-31-2013 12:44 PM

naturalnews.com ? :helpme

beerptrol 01-31-2013 12:46 PM

funny how people equate wanting to ban certain weapons with banning all guns

D Ghost 01-31-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 19454998)
naturalnews.com ? :helpme

It's a "TOTALLY REPUTABLE" news source. <--- LOL :1orglaugh :helpme

Bryan G 01-31-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454794)
Also, 9878 drunk driving deaths in 2011... http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

I guess we should ban alcohol and cars too!!

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4372/firearmsz.jpg

You clowns always use the same argument its comical. A guns sole purpose is to KILL. A car is used as a mode of transportation. When was the last time someone used a car to kill 20 little kids in a school? Seriously if you are going to argue this at least come up with a valid point. Its the same shit you guys come up with.

Rochard 01-31-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454876)
YES! People DO hold the guns accountable, haha, that is the whole point of this. People who want even more gun control and to ban the right to own a firearm. Blaming everything except the only person responsible, the one who pulled the trigger.

You asked if we held the automobile manufacturer responsible for a drunk driver, and we don't. In the same breath, we don't blame Colt every time there is a school shooting.

But I'm guessing your point is "guns don't people, people kill people". This is true. People kill people with cars, people kill people with knives, people kill people with baseball bets. The difference is we need cars, we need knives, we need baseball bats. We have legitimate need for these items.

But only about thirty percent of Americans own firearms. (I know that number is widely open to debate, but I couldn't really get a firm number.) And even with that group you and further divide it up as to why gun owners own guns - some for sport, some for hunting, yet others for protection. The first part of the problem is that the rest of Americans completely fail to understand why anyone needs a firearm - be it for sport or protection. Most of us go our entire lives without ever having the need to own a firearm.

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454876)
Also, I do get your point. But who is to tell another person what they do and do not need? I actually do not need a car and don't own one.

This is comical.... Gun owners are a loud group who firmly believe in the 2nd amendment. But the rest of Americans don't care either way until there is a mass shooting, and then they are against it.

I have a friend of mine who lives here in the same town, Tony is his name. Six blocks away from me. We have a low crime rate here. He swears up and down that he needs his firearms for home protection. Why does he feel he needs it and I don't, being as we live int he same hometown. I find it comical - he's scared out of his mind and goes to the range every freaking Saturday. Me.... I go once every month. I just don't live in fear like he does and I'm not sure why he does.

But who is tell him he cannot own a firearm? Luckily we do have the 2nd amendment.

We just need better protections as to who is allowed to have firearms.

Slappin Fish 01-31-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19454855)
Why are gun nuts suchs retards? What causes that?

This one is naturally retarded. A VP of sales starting threads on subjects that will alienate half of those who read them and won't change anybody's views.... :Oh crap

Rochard 01-31-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19455012)
You clowns always use the same argument its comical. A guns sole purpose is to KILL. A car is used as a mode of transportation. When was the last time someone used a car to kill 20 little kids in a school? Seriously if you are going to argue this at least come up with a valid point. Its the same shit you guys come up with.

That's not true really.

For some people it's a sport - target practice - while others use firearms to protect themselves, and others use firearms to hunt. These are all valid reasons to own a firearm.

Black All Through 01-31-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454997)
Hey Dirty F, check out the R8 I just got with all my "shady" money BRO...

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/407/urlom.jpg

Top Gear gave it the worst ratings ever, however it looks cool

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Black All Through (Post 19455392)
Top Gear gave it the worst ratings ever, however it looks cool

I would prefer it in Blue.

Coup 01-31-2013 04:05 PM

No one gives a fuck about any of your opinions. And for that I am thankful.

EddyTheDog 01-31-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 19455418)
No one gives a fuck about any of your opinions. And for that I am thankful.

Ahh - That's sweet - lol

Vendzilla 01-31-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19455012)
You clowns always use the same argument its comical. A guns sole purpose is to KILL. A car is used as a mode of transportation. When was the last time someone used a car to kill 20 little kids in a school? Seriously if you are going to argue this at least come up with a valid point. Its the same shit you guys come up with.

ok, Valid point

Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck to kill 168 people, 19 under the age of 6 and injured another 680 people

A gun is used for protection as a deterrent, that's why cops carry them.

Drones in Afghanistan have killed a reported 176 children, yet Obama keeps sending them

Bryan G 01-31-2013 04:54 PM

How many bombings are there in the usa compared to gun violence? The mother of the little girl that was killed in arizona a while ago said that 80% of the kids killed by guns in the world are in the USA. You don't think that is a problem? Bush also ordered drone attacks, maybe he should not have went into afghanistan and iraq in the first place and obama would not have to clean up the mess that was left.

_Richard_ 01-31-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19454794)
Also, 9878 drunk driving deaths in 2011... http://www.madd.org/blog/2012/decemb...tate-data.html

I guess we should ban alcohol and cars too!!

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4372/firearmsz.jpg

include bankruptcies in that, and you guys should think about declaring war!

Rochard 01-31-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19455429)
ok, Valid point

Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck to kill 168 people, 19 under the age of 6 and injured another 680 people

A gun is used for protection as a deterrent, that's why cops carry them.

Yes, and still you fail to see the difference. There is a valid purpose for a rental truck. Everyone on this board, at one time or another, has used a rental truck. Not everyone on this board has held a firearm in their hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19455429)
Drones in Afghanistan have killed a reported 176 children, yet Obama keeps sending them

You really look bad when you take silly swings at Obama.

First drone strike under Bush was 2002. In 2007 Bush greatly increased the use of drones.

Odd, didn't hear you bitching much about drone strikes when Bush was in office.

2013 01-31-2013 05:45 PM

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