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Mutt 02-09-2013 03:03 AM

Paysite Owners Are Your European Sales Down?
 
in another thread GFY user 'adultmobile' posted this:

"It could be not a ccbill action, but banks actions regarding ccbill type of sales.
Lots of european bank changed the credit card defaults not to allow sales outside the country, unless opt-in. They sent letter to everyone about if they want use card for foreign sales they have to pre-approve this."

He doesn't mention when this letter went out to European credit card holders.

So I looked at my stats for the past several months to see if anything has changed with European sales.

European Sales as Percentage of Total Sales
*********************************

feb 2013 13%
jan 2013 12%
dec 2012 20%
nov 2012 17%
oct 2012 22%
sep 2012 19%
aug 2012 16%
jul 2012 17%

Mutt 02-09-2013 05:59 AM

oh, a business thread - by all means ignore it. my bad.

SGS 02-09-2013 06:03 AM

Interesting if true.

Dirty F 02-09-2013 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19472017)
in another thread GFY user 'adultmobile' posted this:

"It could be not a ccbill action, but banks actions regarding ccbill type of sales.
Lots of european bank changed the credit card defaults not to allow sales outside the country, unless opt-in. They sent letter to everyone about if they want use card for foreign sales they have to pre-approve this."

He doesn't mention when this letter went out to European credit card holders.

So I looked at my stats for the past several months to see if anything has changed with European sales.

European Sales as Percentage of Total Sales
*********************************

feb 2013 13%
jan 2013 12%
dec 2012 20%
nov 2012 17%
oct 2012 22%
sep 2012 19%
aug 2012 16%
jul 2012 17%

Too early to tell. If these next 6 months will be 12% as well then we can conclude they are lower than last year.

baggg 02-09-2013 06:59 AM

Never got any of that letter and use my card online all the time like last year or before

Shap 02-09-2013 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19472117)
Too early to tell. If these next 6 months will be 12% as well then we can conclude they are lower than last year.

I disagree all depends on volume. With Twistys volume we would be able to tell within a week or two if something is wrong.

Mutt pull another 6 months back what were last feb and jan?

NdO 02-09-2013 07:03 AM

Bullshit, I assume adultmobile is from Holland and is referring to this:
http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

Most dutch banks are blocking pin/ATM-transactions from outside EU. This does only affect (maestro) and not creditcards and/or internet.

Mutt 02-09-2013 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 19472173)
I disagree all depends on volume. With Twistys volume we would be able to tell within a week or two if something is wrong.

Mutt pull another 6 months back what were last feb and jan?



feb 2013 13%
jan 2013 12%

jan 2012 18%
feb 2012 08%

jan 2011 24%
feb 2011 21%

Dirty F 02-09-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NdO (Post 19472177)
Bullshit, I assume adultmobile is from Holland and is referring to this:
http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

Most dutch banks are blocking pin/ATM-transactions from outside EU. This does only affect (maestro) and not creditcards and/or internet.

Damn, good to know. I would've found out the hard way in a couple of weeks.

Barry-xlovecam 02-09-2013 07:37 AM



We have no billing/processing issues in Europe ...
General trends including consumer confidence might be having some affect.
If your selling currencies are euro/dollar FOREX (currency exchange rate) fluctuations would be a factor also.

Mutt,
  1. look toward your own local/internal factors also
  2. use multiple billers in your processing.
  3. look at the actual sales counts not the percentages. The ratios could be distorted by the sales counts
.



Dirty F 02-09-2013 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 19472173)
I disagree all depends on volume. With Twistys volume we would be able to tell within a week or two if something is wrong.

Mutt pull another 6 months back what were last feb and jan?

You are right.

dancent 02-09-2013 08:07 AM

oh crap...

The Porn Nerd 02-09-2013 10:23 AM

Mutt, it looks like 2011 were your best Jan-Feb. After that we had credit card "reform" which made consumers change their buying habits (here in the US) and now maybe some more changes in the EU....

But sales are down across the board, for CCBill, Epoch, Segpay, NATS, all of them. Just look at today's front page of GFY! So many threads, people wondering wtf is up (or down) with sales...

So I think it's an economy thing. What sucks ass is increasing traffic during this time and still seeing shitty sales.

Naughty 02-09-2013 11:56 AM

No paysite, no CCs, but our stores are definately having a hard februari...

Shap 02-09-2013 03:46 PM

Do you track european traffic and form hits/submissions as well? Are they all steady in jan/feb?

JSWENSON 02-09-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19472386)
Mutt, it looks like 2011 were your best Jan-Feb. After that we had credit card "reform" which made consumers change their buying habits (here in the US) and now maybe some more changes in the EU....

But sales are down across the board, for CCBill, Epoch, Segpay, NATS, all of them. Just look at today's front page of GFY! So many threads, people wondering wtf is up (or down) with sales...

So I think it's an economy thing. What sucks ass is increasing traffic during this time and still seeing shitty sales.

What does the economy matter? He clearly said that this is the percentage of overall sales, more or less volume (unless extremely low) would not matter in that regard.

xXXtesy10 02-09-2013 10:07 PM

Sales way up here. You are doing something wrong.

Triple-A 02-10-2013 08:04 AM

Wierd...

I had my best ever month last month and so far this month sales have been depressingly slow!

*confused as fuck*

The Porn Nerd 02-10-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 19473006)
What does the economy matter? He clearly said that this is the percentage of overall sales, more or less volume (unless extremely low) would not matter in that regard.

What does the ECONOMY matter? Wow.
Yes, volume plays a big part in this but since we don't know the volume then we look for other factors, and the economy is a BIG one.

Dirty F 02-10-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple-A (Post 19473486)
Wierd...

I had my best ever month last month and so far this month sales have been depressingly slow!

*confused as fuck*

I'm no grammar nazi but it amazes me how 9 out 10 people can't spell the word weird.

PornoMonster 02-10-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19472017)
in another thread GFY user 'adultmobile' posted this:

"It could be not a ccbill action, but banks actions regarding ccbill type of sales.
Lots of european bank changed the credit card defaults not to allow sales outside the country, unless opt-in. They sent letter to everyone about if they want use card for foreign sales they have to pre-approve this."

He doesn't mention when this letter went out to European credit card holders.

So I looked at my stats for the past several months to see if anything has changed with European sales.

European Sales as Percentage of Total Sales
*********************************

feb 2013 13%
jan 2013 12%
dec 2012 20%
nov 2012 17%
oct 2012 22%
sep 2012 19%
aug 2012 16%
jul 2012 17%

Nothing to see here ... Edit I found my answer later on in the post

adultmobile 02-10-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NdO (Post 19472177)
Bullshit, I assume adultmobile is from Holland and is referring to this:
http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

http://translate.google.com/translat...iten-europa%2F

Most dutch banks are blocking pin/ATM-transactions from outside EU. This does only affect (maestro) and not creditcards and/or internet.

Yes we got this letter, but that's not the only case, other banks done it.
Also vice-versa, many US banks will decline sales outside USA, unless preapproved, lots of programs (include ccbill) could be in ccbillEU, EpochEU or whateverEU, Visa/MC wants USA and EU separated, and if USA or EU cardholder bank does not want foreign sale by default, it blocks, or calls the customer: "hello this is the bank - was it you just buy porn in foreign conutry?".

Triple-A 02-10-2013 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19473736)
I'm no grammar nazi but it amazes me how 9 out 10 people can't spell the word weird.

Whoops! You're right! & I'm a "grammar nazi." Thank you for pointing out my shameful mistake.

BTW, sales seems to be returning again... think it was another high scrub for a few days by CCBill.


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