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RandyRandy 02-21-2013 10:53 AM

Content Shooters - What do you do with "bad" content?
 
I'm new at shooting content, having recently shot scenes for a new clips4sale store I'm opening. Some of the scenes went just as I wanted and others came off lame, due to my own bad direction. I'm in the middle of editing right now and wondering - what do you guys do when you look at a scene and it's not at all like you wanted? Do you throw it away? Do you put it on the shelf? Do you use it anyway? Put it up on a tube site as promotional material (though using bad work for promotion strikes me as stupid)?

Thanks and thanks for all the great information I've found on this site in the past year leading up to my first shoot!

NaughtyRob 02-21-2013 10:54 AM

Use it as promo and sell it as exgf/amateur content and put it on clips4sale.

Red Ezra 02-21-2013 11:10 AM

Don't use bad content please - just take it as a lesson and move forward..

SGS 02-21-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra (Post 19493255)
Don't use bad content please - just take it as a lesson and move forward..

:2 cents:

Grapesoda 02-21-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19493201)
I'm new at shooting content, having recently shot scenes for a new clips4sale store I'm opening. Some of the scenes went just as I wanted and others came off lame, due to my own bad direction. I'm in the middle of editing right now and wondering - what do you guys do when you look at a scene and it's not at all like you wanted? Do you throw it away? Do you put it on the shelf? Do you use it anyway? Put it up on a tube site as promotional material (though using bad work for promotion strikes me as stupid)?

Thanks and thanks for all the great information I've found on this site in the past year leading up to my first shoot!

edit the good stuff into a promo... you can find 1-2 min can't you? and then LEARN from your mistake....

yuu.design 02-21-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra (Post 19493255)
Don't use bad content please - just take it as a lesson and move forward..

good point :)

RandyRandy 02-21-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 19493257)
:2 cents:

That was my first thought - just use it as a lesson to be more focused and give better direction.

NALEM 02-21-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19493201)
Some of the scenes went just as I wanted and others came off lame, due to my own bad direction. I'm in the middle of editing right now and wondering - what do you guys do when you look at a scene and it's not at all like you wanted? Do you throw it away? Do you put it on the shelf? Do you use it anyway? Put it up on a tube site as promotional material (though using bad work for promotion strikes me as stupid)?


Depends on what you consider "lame". You can pull a few frames out of each scene, and slice it together to make promo/trailers, or if some really looks amateur-ish, then that can serve a different niche in another store/site.

RandyRandy 02-21-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19493326)
edit the good stuff into a promo... you can find 1-2 min can't you? and then LEARN from your mistake....

There's definitely 1-2 "good" minutes in there for promo material - thanks!

Triple-A 02-21-2013 11:34 AM

sell it to xerotics :2 cents:

RandyRandy 02-21-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 19493337)
Depends on what you consider "lame". You can pull a few frames out of each scene, and slice it together to make promo/trailers, or if some really looks amateur-ish, then that can serve a different niche in another store/site.

I used three Colombian strippers to shoot some bdsm scenes and in several - instead of being sadistic, they would just grind their asses into the other girls' face. I guess with no direction, they went with what they do best.

fitzmulti 02-21-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19493359)
I used three Colombian strippers to shoot some bdsm scenes and in several - instead of being sadistic, they would just grind their asses into the other girls' face. I guess with no direction, they went with what they do best.

Well, at Clips$Sale, that kinda stuff is popular and fetishy...it may not be "Stripper BDSM"...but it could be at least "silver" where you wanted "gold".
Stick that sh*t up there!

Bman 02-22-2013 01:32 AM

oh yeah...
lets see a clip

grumpy 02-22-2013 03:43 AM

keep up the quality, do a new shoot. Keep your standards.

Jay-Rock 02-22-2013 08:19 AM

Trash it and move on. Bad scenes reflect on your body of work and you don't want to be known for shooting bad scenes.

ilnjscb 02-22-2013 09:46 AM

Yeah, for those of you that shoot high end stuff with a uniform look and have a brand - but even bad work costs $1000s and should be able to be monetized, if only to a lesser extent.

Major (Tom) 02-22-2013 11:07 AM

If we shoot a scene that sucks, we put it up anyway, but are open with the customers about why it sucks & what went wrong. When you have a fan base stuff like this becomes like a B side of your favorite band.
When it sucks, own it.
ds

Major (Tom) 02-22-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 19495021)
Trash it and move on. Bad scenes reflect on your body of work and you don't want to be known for shooting bad scenes.

Depends on why it's bad though. If it's out of focus, yea, it's useless, but if it's just not up to standards putt it up anyway as a bonus update & engage your customers into asking why it sucks etc. They in essence become & feel involved.
Ds

RandyRandy 02-22-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19495378)
If we shoot a scene that sucks, we put it up anyway, but are open with the customers about why it sucks & what went wrong. When you have a fan base stuff like this becomes like a B side of your favorite band.
When it sucks, own it.
ds

That's what I was thinking to do. As this is for a clips4sale store, put in the description what we were going for, what happened and what are the redeeming values. And mark down the price. This way no one who buys can say they were misled.

Major (Tom) 02-22-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19495386)
That's what I was thinking to do. As this is for a clips4sale store, put in the description what we were going for, what happened and what are the redeeming values. And mark down the price. This way no one who buys can say they were misled.

Yea, exactly. & poke fun at yourself too. Give it away very very cheap though. For me, I'd put it in my sites along with the scheduled update so they are just getting extra although the extra sucks. Different model though with cfs. Keep it cheap.
Best
ds

2013 02-22-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 19493337)
Depends on what you consider "lame". You can pull a few frames out of each scene, and slice it together to make promo/trailers, or if some really looks amateur-ish, then that can serve a different niche in another store/site.

all of your photos are considered lame

RandyRandy 02-22-2013 11:17 AM

Nothing is out of focus, it just the intent of some of the scenes didn't get realized. There's a Strappado scene where they just didn't crank the girl high enough and they just kept playing with her, but in a friendly way, not in a tormenting way - that was the problem in a couple of scenes. That instead of being tormented, the victim was being played with in a sensual way. Sensual is fine, but that's not the theme of the store.

NaughtyVisions 02-22-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 2013 (Post 19495391)
all of your photos are considered lame

:1orglaugh

I was going to reply to Nalem's post and say, "or you could put it all up on a domain and charge the performers for you to remove the shitty depictions of them."

Major (Tom) 02-22-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 19495395)
Nothing is out of focus, it just the intent of some of the scenes didn't get realized. There's a Strappado scene where they just didn't crank the girl high enough and they just kept playing with her, but in a friendly way, not in a tormenting way - that was the problem in a couple of scenes. That instead of being tormented, the victim was being played with in a sensual way. Sensual is fine, but that's not the theme of the store.

In the early days when the guys weren't performing to the level I wanted, I'd carry a bamboo back scratcher in my back pocket & would crack their asses. Works well.
Ds

Bman 02-22-2013 11:35 AM

There is one thing I have learned being 10 years in this biz.
DOesnt matter how bad you think it is, how horrible it actually is, what the opinions of all the people are, whether or not you hate it....there is always somebody who will buy it.

People buy porn for the models. Not the technical or proficiency standards one believes their content should have.:2 cents:

NaughtyRob 02-22-2013 11:38 AM

You got that right Bman.

JustDaveXxx 02-22-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 19495021)
Trash it and move on. Bad scenes reflect on your body of work and you don't want to be known for shooting bad scenes.

I agree.


Bad Scenes=Bad Rep


But if the director is on point and knows what he is doing, he can always get a Usable/Good scene out of lousy performers. (Years of editing my scenes that I shot taught me that)



But for some reason if the scene is starting to look bad before you get to the meat and potatoes of the scene, "KILL IT" and start again with performers that want to be there.



Been there, done all of the above. It always sucks that day, and it can be expensive, but nothing is worse than clients and prospective clients thinking that you are not a competent producer.


JustDaveXxx


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