So, how much did that programmer cost?
 

The discussions that lakerslive has started today about programmers and reliability and requirements definitions caused me to go look at some older "Fucking Programmers" threads.

Just for nostalgia's sake:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=997676


https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1062899

interesting

TL:DR :2 cents:

Around here, I see job offerings for PHP coders averaging 75k a year.

Your average GFY coder isn't making $75k a year, so if they aren't capable of getting one of the many available jobs that are out there, then they probably aren't reliable or very good.

That is not entirely true at all. Many of us don't want to be locked down working 40 hours a week on some other guys stuff... Especially in adult. Us adult programmers know how to make money with our sites, why should we spend all our time and energy working for someone else especially for $75k/yr?

If I found someone who paid me my hourly rate 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year, I'd be making $312,000/yr.

See the problem there? Most people in adult are cheap as fuck, they don't pay for what their work is worth, so most of us competent programmers just stick to ourselves and do some freelance here and there, all while building our own stuff.

So you know what happens there? You see constant "programmer fucked me over" threads on GFY and the rare ones regarding borked or k0nr4d who do some freelance here and there being praised.

Rightfully so, as they are top notch, A+++.

:winkwink:

it's simple. a detailed "request for proposal" [ a list of specific instructions ]. what specifically needs to be done UP FRONT. what an insane concept .........................

why doesn't this happen ? usually because the client wants to ripoff his programmer :2 cents: to bad so sad fuck you

You are referring to this statement:

Yet this thread, you are quoting somebody who stole.

The issues are different... one is how much discussion needs to occur in order to get something done.
The other is somebody who steals.

Not the same issue that you have meshed together.

And to comment on lakerslive thread, if you find a coder who can accomplish what you need done without tons of conversation and everything spelled out, you have found a good one. And they do exist.

and that's why you run into problems.:2 cents:[no two cents: fact]

Get what you ask for in any situation where you are requesting someone creates something for you. If you are shit at describing what you want or somehow expect the creator to be telepathic and know exactly what you want without explanation then the end result is a fuckup of your causing.

No, I was referring to the 3 different programmer threads that Lakerslive posted today and it just got me looking back through stuff that had been discussed before. In several of the threads that you (in your CarzyGirls costume) posted about programmers, you and I (and others) had similar discussions aboout details, and finding a reliable programmer, etc.

In there I was reminded about how you ended up with scriptguy. Then I remembered what he did to you. Then what came to mind was that that programmer cost you a ton more than you bargained for in the long run.

Thus the thread, and the title. Definitely nothing personal pointed at you and sorry if you took it that way.




Edited in for reference -
Lakerslive - Freelance or company, programmer reliability, etc. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102540
Lakerslibve - Requirements documents and details - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102544
Lakerslive - Elance programmers - reliability - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102536

Carzygirls - Looking for a particular programmer, discussion regarding requirements details - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=997676
Carzygirls - Programmer reliability - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1019628
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To quote what I said to you in a different thread 2 years ago:

Glad to hear that you found someone you mesh with :thumbsup

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It cost me about a grand.

And to clarify, I think communication is key. Just some things do not always need to be spelled out if you have that relationship.

Example, my site in sig. Has an affiliating tracking system custom built. Took a couple months and most of it was developed after chmod and myself chatted on skype for a bit. Questions along the way and 2 months later it is done.

How much in grief, anger and anxiety did it cost?

Doesn't matter, like I said, you took this thread as being pointed at you when it was merely revisiting the situation that you found yourself in and not meant personally at all.


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Yea, I was aiming that more toward the typical fly by night GFY programmers. Of course guys that are dependable and do good work, they will have a rep that speaks for themselves and they will probably make decent money.

However those guys seem very few and far between, when it comes to guys that try to solicit work on forums.