Obama on Senate gun vote: 'A shameful day'
 

Gun nuts WANT felons and crazies to have guns. 90% of Americans, and the majority of gun owners, want universal background checks. The GOP doesn't care.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...enate/2090105/

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Tell your 90% to vote their official out of office. Problem solved.

Wait… What's that… You made up 90%? You aren't telling the… Truth? Say it isn't so!?!?

Um, fuck off. :321GFY

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2...tion_10030.xml

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...ground-checks/

LOL.

Polls.

Get them to vote.

Watching him and Biden on the news tonight..with their pouty faces was great comedy.

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Our government is so stupid sometimes...

What's so funny about it?

You're a smart fellow...you figure it out.

lolz at your lame 90% spin.

Anti gun asshole

Sure is. Especially Harry fucking Reid, who HAD the chance to do something about filibuster abuse, and instead put his thumb in his ass. :mad:

Spin?

Can gun nuts read? :Hollering

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9160LW20130207

You want known felons and the mentally ill to be able to freely purchase guns...and I'M and asshole? :disgust

Your answers are mostly dodges, I've found.

Whatever that means. :upsidedow

Because of my pro gun beliefs you automatically label me as a nut, redneck, etc. ?.. What is a good counter to someone with your beliefs? Anti-gun pussy, asshole, etc ?.. Tell me anti-gun pussy?


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You're a pussy, because you're dodging my question, pussy boy.

Why do you want known felons and the mentally ill to be able to freely buy guns?

(And if you really do want that, then yeah, you're a raving gun nut.)

Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own?

Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway.

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Criminals aren't going to obey the law anyways

The government has all the guns in the world

What the hell are these dumb, stupid useless laws going to do???

I have it from excellent sources that 98.734% of all statistics quoted on the internet are made up on the spot :thumbsup

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Just posturing.


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Oh for fuck sake. You still didn't answer the question!

And I don't hate, I'm ANGRY. I'm sick of massacres happening while we have a government so beholden to a lobbying organization that even the most common sense laws can't be enacted. And I get shit from people who can't even explain their own positions! Like you!

A few people dying is not a massacre

Well, not this one. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9160LW20130207

So just because my opinion differs from your own I'm automatically guilty of all the dumbass things listed above? Talk about crucifying, labeling, and stereotyping people for not agreeing with your way of thinking. Who's the nut here?

Are you always this way when you don't get your way? When people don't agree with you?

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See why I get angry? Thick as shit.

Did I say you were "automatically guilty of all those dumbass things"? Nope. Why did you take a jpeg personally?

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save the children !

Maybe you're right. Why don't we make murder legal? After all, a murderer won't care about some dumb law. All it does is keep all the law abiding folks from strangling their ex-wives.

On a more mundane level, those speed limits and traffic signs are dumb, too, I suppose. A speed limit won't stop a speeder from speeding, right? And red lights? Assholes run those every day! All they do is hold up the rest of us.

I'm done with laws...

So if 90% of Americans want to put Obama's ass in a field picking cotton that should be ok right?

e have this thing called a Constitution that protects the minority rights, even if 99% want to do something. If you want to repeal the Second Amendment there is a mechanism in place for doing so

read the rest on
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Holy cow Grant...step away, give it a break. Breathe man!
Every day the media lies and covers POTUS ass...but my life goes on. So, today Obama got shut down on gun control. Big deal. Tomorrow is another day, perhaps they will finally defund the backbreaking "Affordable Care Act". You gotta have hope and change. Hang in there ;)

Your questions are mostly inflammatory.

I've got a few minutes before the morning staff meeting so I will answer.

What was funny..
Obama and Biden pouting like a couple of babies, while Obama goes on and on about what 90% of the people want. He ran right over the fact that he couldn't persuade HIS team to vote 100% for it..

How many democrats would it have taken to pass that bill..or any bill for that matter?

And to be clear. They should've passed the bill in my opinion. It was a no brainer.
Buying guns online from what I understand is way to easy. There was a gun store in Milwaukee that was responsible for selling guns that were involved in several mass shootings. The state and the city finally closed them down, but the feds never lifted a finger.

The senate is bad...but Congress are the most useless sacks of shit to ever hold office.

Lobbying needs to be stopped. If every government official is bought and paid for by big business, how can they govern properly and justly?

http://insiderlouisville.com/news/20...r-of-congress/

So you like guns...and I like guns too. But wouldn't you agree its a good idea for people selling firearms to each other through private sales and guns shows to pass some kind of check to assure they're not a criminal or deranged nut?

I don't know what your stance is, but favoring nothing to be done is an indefensible position.

You have a problem with universal background checks? Its not anti gun its pro-common sense.

Thank you, people seem to forget all guns start as legal. Illegal guns just dont fall from the sky.

This is why the focus shouldn't be on adding new laws. They should be enforcing current laws and throwing the book at those who have illegal fire arms.

You're a pathetic piece of shit, you know that?

Grant you do seem to have a lot of hate inside you. All of your threads are full of explicative's and anger.

I hope you are using this as an outlet. If you truly are this angry all the time, you really need to find a hobby away from the news and the Internet. It's very bad for your heart, your mind, and those around you.

You are the kind of person I'm afraid of, not "gun nuts." You have a very difficult time accepting opinions other than your own, people with that issue are very unstable and unpredictable.

Automatic weapons? Really?


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Obama Responds to His Gun Control Defeat With Self-Righteous Solipsism

Jacob Sullum|Apr. 17, 2013 8:05 pm

White HouseWhite House"There are good people on both sides of this thing," President Obama said in a gun control speech a couple of weeks ago, "but we have to be able to put ourselves in the other person's shoes." He worried that "both sides of the debate sometimes don't listen to each other" and wondered, "How do you build trust?" Not this way:

"There were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics—the worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections....They caved to pressure, and they started looking for an excuse—any excuse—to vote no....This was a pretty shameful day for Washington."

That is how Obama explained the Senate's refusal to approve the gun control measures he supports. According to the president, no one honestly questioned the merits of his proposals; the opposition all "came down to politics," meaning a desperate desire to retain power. His opponents not only failed to make a convincing case, he says; they offered "no coherent arguments" at all. Since Obama's case for gun control consisted mainly of invoking dead children and grieving parents, that charge displays an astonishing lack of self-awareness. Here is how Obama responds to critics, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who fault him for using victims of gun violence as props:

"Are they serious? Do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? Do we think their emotions, their loss, is not relevant to this debate?"

Of course they have a right to speak their minds. But no, their emotions are not relevant when it comes to empirical questions such as the impact of background checks, "assault weapon" bans, and limits on magazines. Their pain tells us nothing about the effectiveness or constitutionality of such measures. To the contrary, it obscures those issues with an impenetrable emotional fog.

Obama does a fine job of empathizing with the parents of Adam Lanza's victims. But that is something any decent human being should be able to manage. Where he has trouble, despite his lip service to the idea of putting himself in the other guy's shoes, is in empathizing with his opponents. He not only says they are wrong, which is to be expected. He refuses to concede that people who disagree with him about gun control are acting in good faith, based on what they believe to be sound reasons—that they, like him, are doing what they think is right. His self-righteous solipsism is striking even for a politician."



.:2 cents:

Online gun stores are required to follow the same Federal regulations as brick and mortar stores. When you buy a gun online, it is shipped to your local gun shop. You then go in, do the paperwork and background check before taking possession of the gun.

Yes, there are private online sales but they require a face to face transaction which then removes the "online" portion as that was just where the buyer and seller met. Unless the seller ships directly to the private purchaser which is against the law.

I have a problem with the across the board applied "gun nut, redneck, illiterate country bumpkin, etc" label being applied to anyone who owns and wants to keep their firearms.


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That's interesting. I didn't know how that works. The shooter from Virginia Tech bought his weapons from that place in Milwaukee. It was a big deal on the local news for quite a while. They made it sound like all you had to do was have a credit card and a package arrives at your home,like anything you would get from Amazon.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not sure what that store may have been doing wrong for the local Government to close them down but no, it's nothing like an Amazon purchase.

Got any relevant links to the story on the store being shut down? I'd be interested in seeing what you've read that steered you in that direction.

Aaron, the last 2 times I have purchased a gun from my local dealer my information was called into the FBI/ATF for approval. Both times my dealer said he would probably not hear back and to wait for the 3 day hold period to expire and he would sell me the guns based on a current drivers license.

He was correct, the government never responded and I was sold the guns anyway. Have you ever experienced this?

If this current system doesn't work for licensed dealers what chance does a system for private owners to private owners have except as a political feel good measure?

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Goddamn what am i looking at? is that a machine gun revolver that has been invented in there?

So much fail

Yes, I'm familiar with this. It's not the the system didn't work, it did. Here's what happened:

Something in the NICS check caught the attention of the person processing it. Whatever it was, it was not serious enough for them to deny the purchase. Had you been a convicted felon for instance, it would have been denied.

There are a number of things that could cause a hold. It can be a previous DUI, similar SSN to a felon, a change of address, typos, etc...

When you are placed on hold, the transaction is kicked up the chain of command at NICS for supervisor review. They then have 3 days to either deny or let it go through. The reason the shop owner told you they probably will not call back is because he knows that most holds go through. Typically the only time they receive a call back is on a denial after secondary review. It's not like it went into a hold pattern and was then ignored.

The "based on my current drivers license" part suggests that it could be an address thing. Is your current address on your DL or did you use a different addy on the 4473?

Then there's this:

Location: Florida/Kentucky

Dual residency can also send up a flag for further review.

If I were you, I'd do a little research and find out what is causing your recent hold ups. Usually it's something fairly minor that can be corrected.

Multiple addresses in 2 different states?

And thanks.

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