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Lester Burnham 04-19-2013 06:59 PM

Miranda or Interrogate?
 
So the feds just admitted in their press conference they did not give the Boston suspect his Miranda rights under the "terrorist act" exception.

So, does he deserve Miranda, or should the feds interrogate him Zero Dark Thirty style?

Discuss...

dyna mo 04-19-2013 07:02 PM

has the sc ruled on the exception, i'm not sure?

if not, no fucking way, if so, i don't know. :)

spiederman 04-19-2013 07:02 PM

I guess he gave up his rights when he decided to go into hiding/running

Lester Burnham 04-19-2013 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19587819)
has the sc ruled on the exception, i'm not sure?

if not, no fucking way, if so, i don't know. :)

I believe they did. You can interrogate a terrorist suspect without Miranda, but you can't use confession in criminal trial....

Waterboard time?

L-Pink 04-19-2013 07:04 PM

One thing he doesn't deserve is a technicality.

dyna mo 04-19-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiederman (Post 19587820)
I guess he gave up his rights when he decided to go into hiding/running

that's how i was looking at it too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lester Burnham (Post 19587824)
I believe they did. You can interrogate a terrorist suspect without Miranda, but you can't use confession in criminal trial....

Waterboard time?

whew, tbh, i don't know. i think for the sake of appearing fully judicial, if that's the right way to put it, is to read him his rights and try him as a citizen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19587827)
One thing he doesn't deserve is a technicality.

whew, no shit, wow, hopefully. that's the risk if you read him his rights right? that's the difference ultimately, easier to get off on a technicality.

TheFootMan5 04-19-2013 07:14 PM

They got the patsy!

dyna mo 04-19-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiederman (Post 19587820)
I guess he gave up his rights when he decided to go into hiding/running

in looking at it like this, i figured it was due to a sense of urgency at the time but the fbi spokesperson did invoke the exclusion when asked about it at the press conference.

so i guess in hindsight, it was a strategic move.

Mr Pheer 04-19-2013 08:03 PM

Miranda isnt a right, it's a warning.

The right that the Miranda warning is all about is given to you by the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Whether this shitbag deserves any rights or not... he's lucky it's not up to me. I say make him suffer.

dyna mo 04-19-2013 08:10 PM

here is what i've learned about how it stands currently:::

The Obama administration has created a new policy that allows investigators to waive Miranda warnings for domestic-terror suspects, even when there is not an “immediate threat,” a report said Thursday.

The rule was revealed by an FBI memorandum obtained by The Wall Street Journal. It says that in “exceptional cases,” investigators can hold suspects without informing them of their rights.

The policy applies where investigators “conclude that continued unwarned interrogation is necessary to collect valuable and timely intelligence not related to any immediate threat.”


A 1966 Supreme Court ruling said that law-enforcement officials must notify suspects of their right to remain silent and have an attorney present for questioning. Another decision, 1n 1984, gave law enforcement the ability to question suspects for a limited time without a Miranda warning where public safety was at stake.

The 1984 exception has been used to justify interrogating domestic-terror suspects for hours without reading them their rights.

With the new rules, that exception has been significantly expanded.

dyna mo 04-19-2013 08:14 PM

oh, i guess i should add- i read that to mean the warning is a right.

Relentless 04-19-2013 08:25 PM

He should have been mirandized, tried in open court and shown as an example of the fact that we are ruled by the rule of law.
None of that prevents him from being questioned or punished.

MrMaxwell 04-19-2013 08:29 PM

That is in movies where you get away with something because of no miranda or not being coherent enough to understand the language it was said in

fitzmulti 04-19-2013 08:31 PM

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J.R. 04-27-2013 09:47 PM

Make it work.

Supz 04-27-2013 09:48 PM

He gave up his rights.


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