A Felony for "Annoying" a cop in NY?
 

http://gawker.com/new-york-state-sen...to-a-511616154

I couldn't think of a more subjective law should this bill pass, it would set a very uncomfortable precedent. Could you imagine the trial? "Officer Johnson, on this chart, can you show me just how 'annoyed' you were?" - fucking seriously? If you tell a cop he's wrong, he will be able to arrest you on FELONY charges. NY is out of fucking control!

Could you imagine some of the conversations at Rikers Island? "What you down for, homie?"

Inmate 1: I was caught with a 44oz soft drink, and when I went for a refill, they converged and now I'm doing 18 months.

Inmate 2: I was driving through to visit family in Maine, and they found an empty 30 round magazine in my car. I'm doing 5 years.

Inmate 3: I was caught smoking outside. I'm doing 12 months.

Inmate 4: I littered, I'm doing 12 months.

Inmate 5: I got caught with a gram of marijuana. I'm doing 5 years.

Inmate 6: I was fishing in the bay without a license. I'm doing 18 months. And they took my boat and house.

Inmate 6: I failed to register my legally purchased handgun, and failed to inform the cop that it was in a locked case in the trunk of my car. I'm doing 5 years.

Inmate 7: I told a cop he was wrong, Boston was a far better team than the Yankees. He seemed a bit annoyed and arrested me. I'm doing 3 years.

Why anyone would want to live in that shit hole of a state is beyond me. :321GFY

"Obviously, it's not just annoying a police officer that's a felony. You have to annoy a cop, and also "take any type of physical action to try to intimidate" him"

Amen!!! It's utterly insane!!



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They push as far as you bend.
When the beating videos come out there is all this support for the cops and that keeps the power growing.

Americans allowed all this to happen by sitting on your hands when it was introduced, its at happens when you foolishly think its ok.

What the hell does that mean?

If you hit him that's assault already, but what does this law mean?

Wave your arms at him? Give him the finger? Point at him? These things should be felonies???

You are acting like that sentence proves somehow that the law is correct or clear cut.




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First, i'm not "acting" like anything. It's a quote that adds clarity to a misleading article title and thread title.

Second, you don't care about logic or reason, you just care that "the man" doesn't bother you.

Lastly, its all fine to rail against "the man" all day, every day... except the world is full of problems that need to be solved and fixed and yelling at clouds all day telling government to go away doesn't help anything.

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You annoy a cop, he tells you to turn around, you refuse because there's no basis for an arrest, he says you're resisting arrest, then boom! A misdemeanor resisting without violence just turned into a 3rd degree felony of "Annoying" a cop.

And cops, especially big city cops, aren't always the most "honest", if you know what I mean. Your Honor, he said the Yankees sucked and then swung on me. Fortunately he missed. I know the guy was across the street, but I knew he was swinging at me. Seriously, this would allow cops to write up elaborate reports and fabricate charges.

Define the following, as to your opinion of them.

1. Physical Action
2. Annoy
3. Intimidate

Bet your your opinion of these will vary, as will most everyone's on this board. That's why the law is subjective. If the cop has thin skin or is a pussy, he will be more "annoyed" or more intimidated than another cop, who has thicker skin. There is no clear measuring stick to define them. It's all based on what mood the cop is in that day and how big of a pussy he is.

Explain to me how I'm wrong.

Felony = lose the right to vote

These laws are aimed at curtailing the voting ability of certain demographic groups. A guy selling a dime bag in the hood works for chicken companies in prison for free and loses his voting rights. A bank that launders billions of dollars for drug cartels and gets caught pays a small fine and nobody goes to jail.

Wrong. New York doesn't disenfranchise ex-felons like some states (Florida is a great example). As long as you're not in jail or on parole, you can vote in NY. In Florida, an ex-felon has to go through a lengthy process to get their voting rights back, if they ever get them back. But in NY, they simply need to re-register and they can vote. :2 cents:

I will not visit that city!

But you are missing the most obvious point of them all. When a cop says "turn around" so he can handcuff you THAT'S THAT and the time for discussion is long over. It's too late for that.

It's like a traffic ticket. If a police officer pulls you over and gives you a ticket, the time to argue it is not with the police officer on the side of the road who handed you the ticket. That's what the courts are for - to argue and plead your case.

Once a cop arrests you and you resist, suddenly your petty crime becomes much more serious and if you strike an office in any way while they are arresting you, it's assaulting an officer. Bam, suddenly spending a night in jail has changed into you getting a felony.

i have question.....when will this country have enough laws???? never right, because that would mean the "governors" would be out of work......politicians are lawmakers.

Not true. A cop can detain you if he/she so chooses. But there has to be probable cause. They can't just come up and cuff you. That breaks your fundamental civil rights. In order to detain you or question you, the cop has to have a reason.

It's much different than a traffic ticket. You and cop BOTH knew what law you broke. You may plead ignorance, but you knew you were speeding. He has a laser showing you that you were speeding. What is there to argue? That's why the cop has to bring all of the laser's maintenance logs and test records into court, if you decide to take it to trial. There's a clear definition of what law was broken. He can't just go in there and say, "Well, he was going really fast. I'm sure he was speeding" - that would be subjective.

But a lot of that has to do with ill informed cops. When they detain you, they are supposed to advise you as to the reason why you're being detained and read your Miranda rights. Many of which can't even remember it and have to read it off a card. But instead, they just tell you to shut up, turn around, and try to detain you without any information as to why. That's when they drop you, get you into a couple of joint locks, and cuff you. And since you didn't "cooperate" for getting cuffed without cause, you're the bad guy. :helpme

fyi lawmaker tards, you can't legislate respect.

that's earned. there's a reason more people are disrespecting cops these days and it has nothing to do with not having a law that requires you to respect them.

you've obviously never had a run-in with a cop.

Whether or not you agree with police, their methods etc has nothing to do with the fact that you have to comply.... EVERYWHERE ON THE FUCKING PLANET. Welcome to adult life and take the day off to wrap your mind around this mind blowing revelations.

I have never met a single person anywhere that wasn't a habitual, known asshole, ever that has simply said "yes sir, no sir" and did everything asked and had trouble with the police.

You people blather on and on about "freedom" and you have no fucking clue what its like to live somewhere where you have zero. You have no fucking clue what its like to live somewhere where police first words are "$100 mutherfucker, or i'll kick your teeth in". You have no fucking clue what its like to live somewhere where the police operate as an organized criminal group, running drugs, women and anything else. You have never had your doors kicked in by 10 masked police carrying AK-47's because you "disrespected" someone. You've never seen police arrest someone they didn't like and pin a dozen car thefts on them just to close the books on those cases and put that person in a hardcore prison for 10 years of their lives. You've never seen a child get into trouble and be told by the prosecutor that his only possession - the apartment left to him by his murdered parents needs to be given to the prosecutor or he'll do 5 years for stealing a $5.00 item... and then see him go to prison because he said "no". I've seen dozens and dozens and dozens of incidents like that. I could write a book on just the shit i had my own security guys do in a corrupt country that would churn everyones stomach from the second you started reading. So you fucking morons can stuff your lectures on "Freedom" and "rights" straight up your asses. You just don't know what you are talking about.

Read the article "physical intimidation". Seems pretty clear to me. Though it seems redundant, there are no circumstances where you should be physically intimidating a police officer. As for the "how you do you know.... " and "what if the cop..." random, idiotic hypotheticals... well, thats why there is a judge that will decide. If you don't like the laws, fight to change the laws. There are millions of laws that are idiotic. Funny how none of them EVER affect me because i'm never that guy being a moron, stirring up shit and putting myself in those positions. More people should try that.
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just seems like a law of nature that government grows to regulate every behavior of the people. constitutions, courts & tea parties are powerless to stop it.

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not that i should be surprised of course

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Why? Because it's a land of the free!

Frustration of a cop can get one in jail :(

Its called prisons for Profits. they actually guarantee the prisons to keep them at X %

Imagine.

You would be right if elections were a daily event and incarcerations were consistent. Take a look at how these laws are applied and take a look at voting patterns. Anyone incarcerated, or on parole, or who does not re-register is disenfranchised. So a rash of arrests within a few months of any election in undesirable districts coupled with gerrymandering and you can slant most elections however you want them to come out. You think a recently released felon's first thought is I better go re-register in time for the upcoming election?

25 to life if you bother them while they are eating a krispy kreme. That's if they don't shoot you first!

Actually, more than I would like to admit. Even had the Secret Service kick in my apartment door and raid my house. I just educate myself on my rights and what the police are and aren't allowed to do. The fastest way to piss off a cop is to say, "I want an attorney." - as soon as you invoke your rights, they can't ask you shit. If they do, it will get thrown out of court faster than Ralphie Mae getting kicked out of a buffet.

It saved my ass. :2 cents:

Know your rights and don't be scared to invoke them.

why did the secret service kick in your apartment door and raid your house?

Can I make a citizens arrest if someone (dyna mo) annoys me? :1orglaugh


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No you don't. We have these things called rights. The problem is that not too many people understand them or know when to invoke them. And cops have a slick way of bypassing your rights. Like asking questions in a tricky manner. They don't ask, "Can I search your vehicle", they ask, "Would you have any problems with me searching your vehicle" - you see how it's the same question but the answers are different?

I'm 6' 220lbs and have been training MMA for 3 years. I'm sure I'm pretty intimidating to a lot of cops. Does that mean I'm more inclined to get the "intimidation" arrest than a guy that's 125lbs? Simply because he does not intimidate the cop? Physical intimidation is the furthest thing from being "clear". It's purely subjective.

Back in 1996 a guy used my computer to hack into Equifax, The IMF, The Free Masons, and a couple of other places he shouldn't have been. They traced it back to my place and I had a nice visit from the Secret Service. I was eventually cleared, he was captured, then offered a job. The last time I checked, he was still working for the government.

that's a civil matter, you can join in the class action suit though, i've heard you get email updates too!

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absolutely more inclined. there is a big risk they'll shoot first and ask questions later.. and at that point, you have been 'in a firefight with police'

i have to say, and this is coming from someone with a big problem with authority-

some of y'all are picking silly battles to stake your right to rights on and might actually be making it harder for the rest of us with your stand up to cops because, hey, you have rights mentality.

Looks like Rules are for everyone folks

Fair enough. This is a very valid argument and I didn't view it from that perspective.

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lol all you want. you don't live here, i couldn't give a shit what you do. go pull your richard act on a canadian mounty for all i care.

eh.

still curious about op's apartment door getting kicked in and house raided by the secret service.

fuck the law, its a cash game and nothing more...
talk to any cop who is in his 70's

The shit got out of hand when you couldnt take the punks around the corner and give em a good whipping, since this time, America has turned to shit..

Why anyone even cares about law anymore is only in it for the money

I never said they can just come up and cuff you. Once they decide to arrest you or detain you, they can put cuffs on you.

It's exactly the same as a traffic ticket. People argue about traffic tickets all day long. A speeding ticket isn't always black and white. Here in Cali the speed limit is 65mph, yet we have laws about impeeding traffic and "going with the flow". If the flow of traffic is 85mph and you get pulled over, you can argue it on the side of the road until you are blue in the face.

No, you are wrong. They are not required by law to read you your Miranda rights when you are arrested. You can be arrested, detained, and go all the way to trial without ever having been read your Miranda rights. Miranda rights are only required when they question you AND plan on using your statements against you in court.

From Wikipedia:

Thus, if law enforcement officials decline to offer a Miranda warning to an individual in their custody, they may interrogate that person and act upon the knowledge gained, but may not use that person's statements to incriminate him or her in a criminal trial.

Typically police officials will read you the Miranda rights when arrested to cover their asses in case you confess everything during the ride to jail and then later recant it during questioning.

Also, police don't read off of cards because they are "stupid". They read it off of a card so two years later in a court of a law they can say "I read it off of the card according to our policy" instead of saying "I read him his Miranda rights but I'm not sure if I covered all of the required points".

Already answered it...https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19659198&postcount=31

thx, missed that. i always thought the secret service was strictly tasked with protecting the president.

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yea ill take my 'i have rights mentality' and you can keep your 'i have an authority problem, except when dealing with authority, cause that's dangerous'

it's called choosing your battles. i've seen what happens when you pick that time to fight for your rights. the place to fight for your rights in the court house. not on the street corner.

but keep puffing your chest up.

And then push you some more.

Imagine how obedient our children or our children's children will be. You can see it now, kids in trouble at school for biting gun shapes in pop-tarts, or for taking a 1 inch size plastic toy gun to school. "The children were horrified." "Kids will be offered counseling over the event." And so on. They don't need to take our guns, our children or grandchildren will simply not want to own them in the first place. Gun culture is slowly being bred out of Americans. Future generations are fucked.

yea don't spend too much time on the street corner.

it's a metaphor.


regardless. i've had many run-ins with the law. fight for your right to party. who knows maybe you can get your face smashed on a counter and get a nice payout.

mission accomplished right.