I can't wait to see CCBill crash and burn.
 

14.5% ?? Really? No reductions in a falling market place?

Chargebacks at the drop of an email....

Annual fees for Visa and Mastercard??

While everybody else gets to use Pay Pal for their merchant needs at 3%, all the digital media merchants have been sticking it up our asses because they label our content as "risky"

Risky?? WTF? It's more risky buying a product and waiting for it come in the mail. Our content is delivered to the consumer ON THE SPOT. BAM! Finished. Done deal. What's the risk? Ooooh... the dreaded "charge back" ? That's a risk in all businesses.

Fuck CCBill for ripping us off for years.

Now that the market is falling fast.... I can't wait to see CCBill crash and burn.

I'll stick in that 14.5% to stoke the flames.

But no one is forcing anyone to use ccbill right?

Aside from program owners forcing affiliates to use it, if they want to promote... :2 cents:

I'm no longer an affiliate myself these days, so I have no dog in this fight, but I do feel its pretty pathetic in 2013 that porn is still considered 'Risky'

Stop splitting hairs:winkwink:

I hope you are at least sitting down for this wait, because it might be a while.

Do a search on the forum for "agamegirlz.com" to see why porn is still considered high risk. It isn't because of most of the people complaining. It's because of the usual industry scumbags and their antics.

Isn't this 12Clicks scam? Funny he hasn't posted much since someone brought all this up.

I think they just do the bare minimum these days. They are more focused on their hosting business. I've been meaning to look into the reason for Paypal getting out of adult. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big names in adult processing at the time did something to try to push them away behind the scenes. If Paypal had stayed in adult, think about it, these high fee processors and middle men would have been absolutely destroyed. Paypal would be offering transactions for 3-5% plus $0.50 each and it's far easier than a credit card.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I think so.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1101504

It's funny. A couple of scumbags and big players do stuff like this so Visa and Mastercard raise the fees on everyone and then tightens up the fraud prevention (increasing declines). But the hilarious part is that it doesn't affect the people behind stuff like this much because they find ways around it (such as agamegirlz.com). Meanwhile the smaller honest people in the industry suffer and it actually helps the scumbags because it eliminates their smaller honest competition when they can no longer pay the $500 fees. It's been the story of adult for a long time.

The 14 percent or whatever isnt just because it is deemed "high risk." They also of course handle all the affiliate pay outs if you want them to.

A company or person needs to figure out if it is either worth their time or the expense to hire someone to do this task. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isnt.

We happen to have accounts using ccbill and accounts using Nats and Netbilling so definitely see the pros and cons to both.

No, not really. You guys should talk to a bank and see what they consider high risk. It covers a wide plethora of industries and many of you would be very surprised to see what is considered high risk.

Here are just a few of the industries:
Travel
Telemarketing merchants
Tobacco and cigarettes
Replica products
Online auctions and debt services
E-wallet and E-cash
ISP and hosting services
Online dating services

The common denominator is easy chargebacks, not XYZ scam. Whether any of us like it or not, a bank is going to side with a customer complaining about a $50 charge long before they side with a merchant.

Newsflash everyone. The world is not out to get you. You have options. Explore. Study. Take advantage of them.

Instead of wasting time posting messages like this, why not contact your rep at CCBill and ask how you can qualify for a reduced rate instead?

14% ROFL its WAY MORE than that

1. Get comfortable, If every adult site they have stopped processing with them it would not be the end of CCBill

2. Online memberships are considered High Risk by Visa and Mastercard, Not CCBill

3. You should not post, something like this is a clear demonstration that you have almost no knowledge about how the business works.

4. Is this Saraswirls with a fake nick, if so shut up looney

You are a clever and funny ass pimple aren't you LOL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"Shut Up Looney"

Love it!!! Hey old jeff you missed a few of my posts today would you please go and copy and paste the hillarious "shut up looney" phrase under the rest of my posts for today

maybe even a slight deviation like shut up psycho, shut up cunt....mix it up a little get creative
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risky to get paid maybe. actually definitely.:thumbsup someone can always open up their own ccbill nothing stopping them. and charge whatever fee they think is reasonable.

Be the middleman...
See below:

http://www.backstageol.com/wp-conten...2011/07/g5.jpg

OP, He can't hear your sorry ass complaining from up there :1orglaugh

reality check: adult carries a 'moral hazard' so all our services are more expensive

Did not see you list an alternative.

OK.

:1orglaugh

Respectfully....The Alternative is to start having a real industry wide discussion about *ALTERNATIVES*

I think the OP is mad about something.

I've been frustrated with CCBill for the last couple of years. I used to love 'em but, man, there's no denying that they've gone downhill and fast. I'd love to switch billing processors, or even use another processor as a secondary billing option, but at this point it's not really economically viable. Most other billing processors also charge a fairly hefty setup fee and with sales as crappy as they are I don't dare shell out an extra $500.00 - $1,000.00 for another processor. CCBill kind of has me by the balls in that regard. Blah.

/whining

Someone should put together a list of all the online adult payment options along with their fees (initial, annual, per transaction, etc) and general pros/cons/requirements so rather than rant about a given processor these guys can simply shop for a different one. There are options.

Also I think many webmasters confuse the requirements/fees/pressures enacted by Visa and Mastercard as being the fault of the processors, there's a lot of misplaced rage there...

I'm in the same boat to a point - the main issue is, are any of the alternatives that much better than CCBill? *Supposedly* they have some upgrades in the works, I may give them thru 3rd Q 2013 before seriously moving towards a change.

But my main problems aren't the fees (that are actually the major CC companies' doing) or the conspiracy theories webmasters use when their low-volumes sites are going thru a low sales cycle. For me it's more the shite-slow dated control panel & backend, and the outdated join forms (which I've been told are being updated as we speak).

"high risk" as in $500 annual fees and "let's not let the transaction go through unless <insert a bunch of highly restrictive conditions here". Not necessary "high risk" as in banking jargon.

I guess I haven't been paying attention as it doesn't directly affect me but the new fees are only for adult IPSP users, right? Or do they include these other industries as well?

I remember when the chargeback thresholds were first lowered. It was primarily due to adult and the industry scumbags and their games. It wasn't because of replica watches. I remember when American Express pulled out too. It's always been the story in adult that a few scumbags (usually at the top) ruin it for the rest of us. It seems to happen over and over. If it's not banging cards it's linking in mainstream cross sale schemes or it's stealing content and destroying the paysite side of the business for thousands of others. There's a pattern.

Ok, but still no mention of possible alternatives in this discussion yet.

This is what I think you should try instead of thinking about this :

1. The old pay site model doesn't mean anything to you because....
2. You are going to modernize and do what this is supposed to be, interactive
3. You are not going to worry about content theft because you are going to win from it
4. All of your pre-made content is basically going to be for affiliates/tubes/etc...
5. They are going to use this content to promote your live cuckold shows inside the members area
6. The selling point is going to be the interaction between performers and surfers
7. Pirates can steal your content but they can't steal your live interaction
8. Cuckolding seems to be a voyeur and interactive function by nature so this should fit perfectly

So what this means is you need to set up a webcam studio and broadcast in the members area with up sales.

Then there is my side :

A. I don't have enough videos of you to send decent traffic, my site is too big to be found if you only have 20 videos.

B. I don't need perfect video for amateur style site, shitty equal believable

C. Seems like you could get a basic video cam and play with yourself for 20 minutes and
cut that into 10 videos.

D. in 10 days you should have 200 videos

E. This is affiliate content

F. If bandwidth problems is you fear then tell us to download it and put it on our servers, WE WILL!

G. What legal tubes need is more video content, we don't steal it!!!!

H. You need traffic, I need content to get more traffic to send you

Conclusion : Just dump content and plaster yourself all over the internet and drive
traffic to your live cuckold cam shows.

Forget about selling memberships to see your pre-made videos because there is so much free pre-made video available that you can't produce enough video to have significant
affiliate content and still have new video in the members area, but you can have live interaction all day everyday.

Bottom line, after all the content is seen people are still buying live interaction.

What a well-thought out and written response. I'm new to the game, building up content that I will use to launch a site that will have one "live" event per week. I can't understand why I don't read more about sites with live shows. The pirates can't fuck a live show - they can only help you promote it. Interactive is the way to go.

Great idea : Here you go:

http://www.ccbill.com (Ask for Jeff)
http://www.segpay.com (Ask for Cathy)
http://www.epoch.com (Ask for Anthony)
http://www.zombaio.com (Ask for anyone)
http://www.verotel.com (ask for anyone!)
etc.

All of them charge about the same rate except for Zombaio which is cheaper I think. They also all work their asses off and provide a ton of services which you may not even realize.

Different processors accept payments from a variety of different card types, and each have various types of fraud scrubbing and decline rates. Trust me you do NOT want to push for the lowest level of scrub. All payment processors have their own limits such as purchase and frequency limits set to each new account by default which is there for your own protection as well as theirs. This doesn't mean they are inflexible - If you ask nicely and if you show that you're a responsible merchant by watching for potential fraud, they may be willing to reduce the transaction fees, relax the scrubbing, or more.

Yes fees can be high but bitching about it in a thread like this will not help. If there's one thing I've learned about 3rd party payment processors is that they are all willing to listen, and they can be flexible in alot of ways. Tell them what you need. It is in in your mutal best interest to work together but to do so in a safe and responsible way that protects everyone's business from card thieves.

I'm not sure I'd want to see ccbill crash and burn, but I'd sure like them to fix their stats. They've been broken for YEARS.

I was trying to decide whether to visit my PO box yesterday, loaded up ccbill to see if a cheque had been issued recently... timeout, timeout, timeout. 3 times. No answer. Turns out another sponsor had sent me a cheque (looked that up while ccbill's system was busy waiting) so I went to my PO box anyway. No thanks to ccbill.

http://thsrv.com/p/ccbillbroke1.gif

I captured this in 2006. Nearly seven years ago. Nothing has changed.

Yup, their stats and backend have been fucked for a good long time. BUT - they're implementing a new system right now, the beta started this month I believe (I'm registered on it but haven't had a chance to check things out). Maybe I'll take a look & report how things work.

So it *does* look like they're starting to address some of the complaints.

Don't forget about us Mark (NETbilling.com). We are happy to help and although we are not a third party processor, we don't see the benefit anyway unless a merchant is super new and small. We save merchants thousands monthly with exceptional rates and extreme flexibility. We ave had the same business model since 1998 and it is a successful one.

Thanks, Mitch

Add this to the plan I posted above :

With this being a Cuckold site, I would say make this a $30-$100 up sale for the surfer to jack off the black cock. Put that in the ads!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LSXfgXex9DQ



Fucking modernize!

:1orglaugh

I hope they fix their script or whatever and start to be working good again

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it was ccbill jet on middle man movie isn't it?

That's like saying "Micorsoft must die"

Oh, brother....
Nevermind the MC/VISA fees come from...... MC & VISA....
Plus, what's "risky" to me is OTHER places may drop off the face of the earth & not pay...
CCBILL has NEVER not paid, or been late.

I deny that CCBill has gone downhill fast :thumbsup

CCBill has actually made some improvements over the last year and asked for feedback via survey regarding new forms that are in the process of being implemented.

Webhooks
Expanded Payment Options - Giropay & Ideal
Consumer Credit System
CCBILL WEB VALIDATE FEATURE RELEASE

All in just the last year.

Not to mention the CCBILL BLOG shows they aren't just a stagnant bunch of nobodys.

All the GFY threads & posts with the same people bitching about sales and denying there are seasonal sales trends etc. in adult and CCBill went IN DEPTH about the truth of seasonal sales trends in adult, what to expect, and how to combat them.

So yes it can be denied that CCBill has gone downhill. I'm all for facts.

CCbill makes a ton of money....why can't they just throw lawyers, guns and money at their fucked up/old/broken system and get it fixed and up to Par with modern stuff?

All I know is their stats rarely work for me and their customer service isn't as on-point as it used to be back in the day. Forms also seem to take a bit too long to load.

I've been loyal to CCBill for 13 years now so I hardly want to see them crash and burn. I hope they keep making improvements, address the issues everyone's been bringing up, and get back on track before everyone jumps ship and starts using other processors.

I recommend everyone who feels this way (and I agree 100% with your post here) write & let them know.

I.e. not a support message about some specific issue, but rather a "you guys need to fix this-and-this or you're going to lose me & others as a processor". From everything I've heard they do have some upgrades in development, but they really need a fire lit under their collective asses as those have been waaay too long coming.

Wow. CCBill has so many of you "well trained."

We'll see how loyal you really are when one day Pay Pal Adult comes out, or something like it for around 3%. Then you'll look back and realize how screwed over you were for all those years. You'll be happy to jump ship without a thought.

I wonder how many people they've "let go" because of the drop in the market.

I think CCBill is losing millions because of the major shift in the market, but nobody is talking about it. How will they continue to make up lost profit? Mmmmmm a new annual MC fee? raise all the other fees? Increase the charge back fee? Hike up the rate? Last I knew, it was 14.5%. Is it higher now?

All I'm saying is, I don't see a future for them because they are too expensive. Their model has never gotten better or competitive. Same old crap, with more fees. What business can survive with thinking like that? So far, the only thing they have going for them is the scare tactic of "we are never late in paying." Big deal. Yeah, they're never late, but you pay 14.5% for that, plus annual fees of $ 1,250 for Visa and MC??

Too big to fail? Please.

I bet CCBill is run by 8 people now out of some basement office.

I think those Mastercard fees...no sorry, EXTORSIONS are just an excuse for "high risk" business. I think it's nothing else but the limitless and never ending greed of global corporations. First I was fucked by iBill years ago when they intruduced similar "fees" and deducted $1000 from my account without my consent!!! Then a few years later I was fucked by Globill where I lost $7000 in their bankrupcy process. Now CCbill are trying to fuck me! I'm so sick and tired of dealing with american processors and to me there is no higher risk on this planet than signing a deal with american company.

At the moment I can't even view a single day's worth of transactions for my ccbill affiliate accounts. It times out. We've really hit rock bottom here, c'mon ccbill, get your shit together...

http://thsrv.com/p/ccbill20130624.png

Captured just now. There's no response, and eventually the session times out.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh ...

Google will give you a list of processors. The prices and policies of each are indicated on each processor's website. You should not try someone else, especially if they are disgruntled from telling you the pros and cons of a processor. And besides, prices are flexible and every billing processor I have ever met or talked to are in a position to make a deal with you.

You're right Mitch! My bad.

There stats in 2013 really sucks and seems they just do not care enough to get stats working right! HOW hard is it to have stats? Come on now!!!