Paypal EU to allow adult now (via Epoch)! Wow!
 

Possible game changer for EU sites?

bye bye ccbill

Awesome! :)

I wonder how refunds and chargebacks are going to be handled.

that's pretty exciting.

Time to get rid of payment processors who are paying late!

Wow that's insane. Hopefully they don't change their mind again..

nice update for them :)

Does Epoch still take the usual 14.5% off the top here, even for Paypal-only transactions? And still require the Visa & MC annual fees?

If so the only main difference at this point would be offering surfers a platform they're familiar with, so they don't have to release their CC information to the processor itself. Which may or may not be significant, my guess is it won't change much.

I should also note that PayPal's dispute resolution process is often a clusterfuck, so I wonder how that's going to work - who takes care of complaints/chargebacks/etc, them or Epoch?

Let me know when PayPal starts explicitly accepting adult without a 3rd party. At this point this sounds way better than it actually is...

oh very nice :)

I just got hard without Viagra...

CONGRATS:pimp

Hopefully the usual industry scumbags don't ruin this for the rest of us......again.

Paypal if you reading this most of the fraud in the industry is done by people at the top and NOT the smaller merchants. Instead of doing exclusive deals or making people pay ridiculous fees upfront simply institute a fee schedule which increases exponentially as chargeback percentages rise and also have a policy making all accounts count towards the percentage. Do not let the scumbags do the shell company shuffle they typically do with Visa and the banks.

Thousands of adult merchants will gladly pay you 5% + $0.50 a transaction. Most run honest businesses. There is no need to force the use of middle men like Epoch.

I wouldn't be surprised if Epoch sabotages this just to help convince them to stay out of adult. Think about it. Compare Paypal's typical rates to Epoch's.

good news :thumbsup

Nah, not as long as Epoch is handling it. Game as usual, just another option for customer. same ole shitty rate for webmaster.

in case transaction volumes are not limited and the rates are not the usual Epoch 14+% i might be interested...

the rates will be the usual epoch fee, but to be able to offer customers paypal will be WELL worth it IMHO. Because we've fucked over customers for years with CC payments, offering something they know and trust will make all the difference. I just got a client approved for this and am very excited.

Go Epoch!

Old news:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1112343&page=3

By the way if you want to print "Paypal" only to countries that supports it, you can do something like this in php:

$epoch_paypal_countries = array('AD', 'AT', 'BE', 'CY', 'DK', 'FI', 'FR', 'DE', 'GI', 'LU', 'GR', 'GL', 'IE', 'IS', 'IM', 'IL', 'IT', 'LI', 'MT', 'MC', 'NL', 'NO', 'PT', 'RO', 'SM', 'SI', 'ES', 'SE', 'CH', 'TR', 'GB', 'VA');
$showpaypal = in_array($_SERVER[GEOIP_COUNTRY_CODE], $epoch_paypal_countries);

<? if ($showpaypal) { ?> PayPal click here <? } ?>

Note that Vatican shows paypal.

It'll be really interesting to see what difference the trust factor of Paypal will bring to conversion ratios over the next couple of months! Good stuff! :)

"Middle men gonna middle."

Someone had to say it. :winkwink:

Great news for middlemen haters, now they have two to hate in the same transaction !

Would this effect rebills? It would be Paypal charging not epoch...

Yeah, basically this adds yet another middle-man into the transaction:
Customer-to-Bank-to-PayPal-to-Epoch-to-Webmaster.

Kind of ridiculous. Again, I don't see much benefit aside from PayPal being a familiar brand and you have to wonder if the additional red-tape and/or beauracratic snafus will be worth it.

Wow, that is some great news!!!!

I guess people missed the thread about this yesterday !?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1112343

Paypal will bring more sales for sure. Definitely worth it even if you have to pay the same % as CC. What is there to lose?

Well, potential for PayPal to change their minds and suddenly stop processing adult as they did many years ago - i.e. they've screwed us once already. One would have to hope Epoch extracted some sort of contractual guarantee on this, but my guess is PayPal's still got all the leverage. This scenario would be problematic to webmasters who've accumulated Paypal rebillers in the meantime as it was back in the day.

Hopefully they've also really hashed out a streamlined way to handle both buyer & seller disputes, because PayPal definitely has their own system for this. I could see conflict about that leading to the above.

Basically I don't see this as the slam-dunk win that many here do. Time will tell. But remember this is a company that left us in the cold before.

Anyone know if epoch is still the only company allowed to do adult on paypal EU??? I've been searching.. but can't find anything about it on paypal or anywhere else.. but came across this thread...

oh btw howdy.. to everyone.. been a LONG time! :)

Harmik had told me it was an exclusive deal w/ Epoch so Paypal could test the waters in high risk(again). I am not aware that it has expanded to any other companies.

Paypal got a decent share in GER because of Ebay's popularity but still less then 50% of the market. It has basically nada in the Netherlands. If there are specific countries you're interested in payment options for I'm happy to explain what 2000Charge has for each country..

I am getting lots of paypal sales from italy, uk etc.

you must ask their AUP to review your website.
I have some approved ones, but since near one year I'm working with them to get reference transactions enabled, this seems to be really hard.

That makes sense UK is mostly credit cards so hooking up to a paypal account shouldnt be a stretch. Italy has no defined payments options so paypal might fill a gap there.
Thanks for the info.

Pretty sure I had a premature ejeculation over this last year - It seems it didn't change the business after all...

Anyone heard if it is going to spread to the US?....

im not so sure id would trust them even if they did start in US last time around they came to the shows and pitched everyone yada yada they they fucked us HARD no notice no nothing and held the money for six months with no interest.

I would love for a paypal rep to approach me pitching that again...