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DeadFidel 08-27-2013 08:31 AM

Paying 1/3 of winnings to the casino before you leave.
 
I was at the Yonkers casino last night and got lucky on roulette winning $950. When I cashed in the voucher I was told to give my Social Security number and deducted $306 from my payout.

Hard enough to beat the casino but you cannot beat the internal revenue service.

What's the point in gambling these days?

Colmike9 08-27-2013 08:35 AM

I go to a cash poker room once in a while. Last time I won $1250 and the only expense was a small 5%ish rake. :upsidedow

96ukssob 08-27-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 19775130)
I was at the Yonkers casino last night and got lucky on roulette winning $950. When I cashed in the voucher I was told to give my Social Security number and deducted $306 from my payout.

Hard enough to beat the casino but you cannot beat the internal revenue service.

What's the point in gambling these days?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh because they know you won't claim it yourself

each state has it's own limit before they will charge you. PA for slots is $600 and I think table games is $2k? I'm not sure, but as long as you don't tell them you won at a table game, they don't know if you walked in with $10k and walking out with $5k, slots are a bit different.

my friend's gf and her cousin went to the casino near us and she won $1,100 on a slot. they came to get her info and then SEIZED the money because she hasn't paid her taxes in a few years :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Adult-biz 08-27-2013 08:37 AM

Thankfully no tax due on gambling winnings in the UK. :)

Yanks_Todd 08-27-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 19775130)

What's the point in gambling these days?

Apparently $644.

Seth Manson 08-27-2013 08:52 AM

Always keep track of gambling losses and winning and you can deduct your losses up to the amount of your winnings. Anything over that is income.

PR_Glen 08-27-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19775135)
I go to a cash poker room once in a while. Last time I won $1250 and the only expense was a small 5%ish rake. :upsidedow

5% is huge for a rake...

AllAboutCams 08-27-2013 08:55 AM

What the fuck
Ive never had to pay tax in perth

DeadFidel 08-27-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 19775142)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh because they know you won't claim it yourself

each state has it's own limit before they will charge you. PA for slots is $600 and I think table games is $2k? I'm not sure, but as long as you don't tell them you won at a table game, they don't know if you walked in with $10k and walking out with $5k, slots are a bit different.

my friend's gf and her cousin went to the casino near us and she won $1,100 on a slot. they came to get her info and then SEIZED the money because she hasn't paid her taxes in a few years :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yeah well 1984. Still although I oblige completely with the IRS, these rules take away from the small margin of winning the house. It is not fun. In the old days I had no problem paying 10% vig when I lost, but paying a third when you win gives no motivation for the risk.

Colmike9 08-27-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19775167)
5% is huge for a rake...

Yeah, they're assholes there, but the people that play there suck so it's worth it. :winkwink:

Sly 08-27-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 19775130)
I was at the Yonkers casino last night and got lucky on roulette winning $950. When I cashed in the voucher I was told to give my Social Security number and deducted $306 from my payout.

Hard enough to beat the casino but you cannot beat the internal revenue service.

What's the point in gambling these days?

I like how they tax your winnings but don't give you a bonus when you lose.

Rochard 08-27-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 19775154)
Apparently $644.

LOL.

The IRS is trying to shut down loopholes. It's easy for the casino to say "Well, we gave away $10k to one lucky winner last night" and there is no way for the IRS to know if it's legit or not. At the same time, if someone wins $10k... The IRS has no way of knowing.

pornguy 08-27-2013 09:16 AM

Now deposit that shit in your Bank and pay again.

L-Pink 08-27-2013 09:21 AM

Had a friend bitching about that last week. He was on a gambling boat in Cincinnati down about $600-700 between himself and his wife then wins about $2000 and they take a big chunk for taxes but don't factor in the money he had already lost. Got pissed and left, lol.

Sly 08-27-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19775212)
Had a friend bitching about that last week. He was on a gambling boat in Cincinnati down about $600-700 between himself and his wife then wins about $2000 and they take a big chunk for taxes but don't factor in the money he had already lost. Got pissed and left, lol.

Exactly. What if you spent $5000, left with $5000 in chips. Are you getting taxed on your few hours just sitting at the table?

sperbonzo 08-27-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19775178)
I like how they tax your winnings but don't give you a bonus when you lose.

Just like Capital Gains Tax.....




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xNetworx 08-27-2013 10:37 AM

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Brent 3dSexCash 08-27-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 19775130)
I was at the Yonkers casino last night and got lucky on roulette winning $950. When I cashed in the voucher I was told to give my Social Security number and deducted $306 from my payout.

Hard enough to beat the casino but you cannot beat the internal revenue service.

What's the point in gambling these days?


Wow, never heard of that.

I have seen people win 100k+ in Vegas on table games and just walk out with the cash. No questions, no forms.

RandyRandy 08-27-2013 10:59 AM

Came in second in a poker tournament and had a great run in BlackJack last week in Bogota. When I cashed out (a little over $1,000) the cashier only asked if I would like them to call me a cab. Yes of course!

BTW, this small casino has the best BlackJack rules I've ever seen. Double-down on any hand, surrender and "double action" - where you can double your bet after seeing the dealer's hole card (before seeing your cards of course). It's a beautiful thing to double your bet when the dealer has a 4-5-6 showing.

http://rockefeller82.com/

dehash 08-27-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sexus (Post 19775144)
Thankfully no tax due on gambling winnings in the UK. :)

It lotto counts as gambling in UK?

fuzebox 08-27-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19775326)
Wow, never heard of that.

I have seen people win 100k+ in Vegas on table games and just walk out with the cash. No questions, no forms.

When you cash out the much at the cage they will ask you if you want to fill out a w-2,to which you can decline with no issue.

If you win over $1k at a machine in one spin (jackpot, bonus etc) you will have to fill out paperwork and they will pay it to you in cash. If you're non-american they'll keep 30%.

Adult-biz 08-28-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dehash (Post 19775366)
It lotto counts as gambling in UK?

The National Lottery is a prize and no taxes (to the best of my knowledge) are due to be paid on any winnings.

Aidoru 08-29-2013 06:26 PM

Rules are for everyone. Also I like to play blackjack!

wehateporn 08-29-2013 06:34 PM

Gambling is a bad enough idea even when winnings are tax-free :2 cents:

96ukssob 08-29-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19775197)
LOL.

The IRS is trying to shut down loopholes. It's easy for the casino to say "Well, we gave away $10k to one lucky winner last night" and there is no way for the IRS to know if it's legit or not. At the same time, if someone wins $10k... The IRS has no way of knowing.

funny, because the whole notion of the taxes you pay as an individual are "earned income tax" which winnings are not.

IMO, it's rather BS that you have to pay that % if you can provide evidence that you have lost money chasing that $1,000 win, otherwise you should be allowed to EXPENSE your gambling losses.

so, if you put in $500 into a slot machine, drain it all, then dump in your last $20 and win $600, in PA you have to pay taxes on the $600 BEFORE they will give you the winnings. I think it should be you prove, through your players card or receipts (which they don't obviously provide), that you invested $520 to make that $600, so your tax rate should be 30%+ on the $80 profit, not $600 net.

to me, makes no sense

Seth Manson 08-29-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 19779208)
I think it should be you prove, through your players card or receipts (which they don't obviously provide), that you invested $520 to make that $600, so your tax rate should be 30%+ on the $80 profit, not $600 net.

Thats what a tax return is for, and why you are allowed to deduct gambling losses up to the amount of your winnings.

fuzebox 08-30-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 19779208)
funny, because the whole notion of the taxes you pay as an individual are "earned income tax" which winnings are not.

IMO, it's rather BS that you have to pay that % if you can provide evidence that you have lost money chasing that $1,000 win, otherwise you should be allowed to EXPENSE your gambling losses.

so, if you put in $500 into a slot machine, drain it all, then dump in your last $20 and win $600, in PA you have to pay taxes on the $600 BEFORE they will give you the winnings. I think it should be you prove, through your players card or receipts (which they don't obviously provide), that you invested $520 to make that $600, so your tax rate should be 30%+ on the $80 profit, not $600 net.

to me, makes no sense

You can request a win/loss statement from the casino, as long as your play has been rated via players card/loyalty program.

Barefootsies 08-30-2013 02:09 AM

I am not sure where all of your guys are playing? That is, if you're talking about Vegas or your local casinos.

I know for the casinos around here, they are Indian. You only have to "pay tax" at the cage on any slot type winnings over like $600.00. If you win on the tables, you have to fill out a form ONCE per year if its' higher than $10,000.00 in a 48 hour period. For example, you win $5k in two days back to back or over $10k in a single day. They do not tax or take anything from you on the pay out, you just have to fill out the form.

As I have mainly played tables, I have never been taxed at the casino, even in Vegas.

seeandsee 08-30-2013 02:31 AM

Indian casinos have different tax rules?

Barefootsies 08-30-2013 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 19779397)
Indian casinos have different tax rules?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwo...-surprise-you/

:2 cents:

Lichen 08-30-2013 03:44 AM

Gambling is for idiots.

dehash 08-30-2013 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 19779443)
Gambling is for idiots.

Calling others "idiots" is for morons.

fuzebox 08-30-2013 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19779382)
I am not sure where all of your guys are playing? That is, if you're talking about Vegas or your local casinos.

I know for the casinos around here, they are Indian. You only have to "pay tax" at the cage on any slot type winnings over like $600.00. If you win on the tables, you have to fill out a form ONCE per year if its' higher than $10,000.00 in a 48 hour period. For example, you win $5k in two days back to back or over $10k in a single day. They do not tax or take anything from you on the pay out, you just have to fill out the form.

As I have mainly played tables, I have never been taxed at the casino, even in Vegas.

The mandatory 30% tax happens if you are a foreign visitor and thus unable to provide an SSN.


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